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HardRojo

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,133
Peru
Huh didn't know that, my mother is Peruvian and I've never heard anyone in my family say it
Really? It's everyday language lol. "No seas pendejo pe' huevón" is a very common phrase. Can't fault your family for it though, we tend to use way too much slang, to the point we have slang for slang, so a non-native speaker or someone who hasn't been in constant contact with Peruvian people in a while might get a bit thrown off during a regular conversation where alcohol is involved.
 

WrenchNinja

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,745
Canada
Some of y'all don't understand what people are talking about regarding language and are being willfully obtuse/ignorant when others point it out to you. Offensive language used specifically to denigrate certain classes/races of people should not be used for the simple sake of it, especially in a game set in the future. Red Dead Redemption was set in the Old West, yet I can't recall a single use of the word "nigger" even though it would be 100% appropriate in such a context. Such language is fine as long as you are seeking to make a point about it, are you trying to explore race relations in the past or possible future? Are you making a commentary on gender dynamics and violence? Are you exploring the dangers of toxic masculinity? If not, then why are you using such language for "authenticity" because I guarantee you there are slew of other "authentic" elements you've chosen to eschew to tell your fictional story.

But, let's move on from speaking about such possible themes in general and speak specifically on the genre of Cyberpunk/Neo-Noir. The genre of cyberpunk is that of a dystopian future, and it is heavily influenced by the noir stories/films set within the 30's and 40's. The YT channel Lessons from a Screenplay did an excellent video discussing the noir elements of the original Blade Runner and in doing so explained what exactly made a story "noir" drawing from essay of film critics of the time. The elements include: 1) The Presence of Crime, "...the moviegoer is presented a less severe version of the underworld, with likeable killers and corrupt cops. Good and evil go hand in hand to the point of being indistinguishable." ; 2) A Film of Death, think of Blade Runner and how the Earth is literally falling apart and how the Replicants are literally trying toe escape their own mortality; and 3) The Private Detective, "the Private Detective is a midway between lawful society and the underworld, walking on the brink, sometime unscrupulous but putting only himself at risk, fulfilling the requirements of his own code and of the genre itself."

All of these noir elements apply to cyberpunk films such as the original Blade Runner, it's sequel 2049, but also video games like Dues Ex, and also seem to apply to the world of Cyberpunk itself. However, as Cyberpunk as a genre is separate from noir due to its sci-fi nature, it also adds further elements to its genre that are unique to itself. Typically this is the prevalence of class struggle, and almost always a new kind of class struggle. After all, the benefits of science fiction is the ability to reset an audience's bias' by having them explore and ponder new types of relationships/political struggles. In doing so, you can have an audience preconceptions changed and possibly have them apply this hypothetical scenario to current social issues. If you believe that Replicants are human beings deserving of basic human rights in Blade Runner, then what do you think of trans-individuals in current society? If you think the abuse of artificial women in Blade Runner is abhorrent, then how do you feel about the abuse of real-life women today?

As a result, it's rare for a cyberpunk narrative to have 1:1 social issues as today. You typically don't usually have stories that explore race relations as they exist today or explore class dynamics as they exist today. Rather, the social dynamics explored are ones we have created for ourselves in the future. In Blade Runner we have created a whole new class of exploitable humans called Replicants. In Deus Ex we have created a whole new type of class/socioeconomic struggle between those with artificial implants and those who do not. These new struggles come with their own "new" types of exploitation and discriminatory slang, "skin jobs," "clankers," "hanzer," "augs," etc. In Blade Runner we're told that "skin job" is specifically akin to calling someone a "nigger" in the Director's Cut and we see K visibly react to the term when it is used at him in 2049. Similarly, Adam Jensen is referred to in plenty of derogatory terms in the newer Deus Ex games. Yet, in neither of those films or games do we hear much use of such derogatory slang as "cunt, nigger, pussy, etc." And, these are individuals dealing with the very worst of the underworld. Jensen in particular literally deals with the same type of gangsters as we see in the 2077 demo who cut up people for their augments to sell on the black market. Yet, we don't hear such language because the game is seeking to explore other issues or rather at times use allegory and/or applicability to have us recognize similarities to our own world. Deus Ex Mankind Divided literally has two lines for public transport, one for "Naturals" and one for "Augs," what exactly do you think they were getting at there? But, at no point did they feel the need to have the cops call you a "nigger" to drive this point home. The game and genre is supposed to be a bit smarter than that.

So, back to the top, what am i getting at? The point is that derogatory and offensive language against a specific class of people is fine, if there is a point to it; if you are seeking to actually highlight certain social issues/themes. However, typically cyberpunk eschews current slang and derogatory terms in favor of new words that give weight to the new power/class struggles of their future world; these same hypothetical class struggles will then have applicability to our real world. And so when people hear "cunt" and "pussy" and what not, it feels less like a serious exploration of themes than just "edgy" talk that doesn't seem necessary.


Link to YT video I was talking about:


Just wanted to say that this post is amazing. Thank you for it.
 

Xiao Hu

Chicken Chaser
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,497
User banned (3 days): unnecessary hostility.
What I'm actually throwing a fit over is the absolutely callous dismissiveness I constantly see all over forums like these by posters like you. Posters who are too goddamned self-centered and too egotistical to ever consider another human being's point of view.

Get your head out of your own ass. First I wanted to comment on how thin skinned you must be for letting your own experience with discrimination(?) influence your perception of some fucking video game.

But then I saw that your embarrassing tantrum isn't worth the lengthy discussion that would have followed, I don't have time to tell my stories about being a victim of racial/social discrimination. Man/Woman the fuck up and move on.

Welcome to my ignore list, you puritan cry baby
 

Ausroachman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,394
This shit better not get banned in australia for "Drug Use" or "Nudity" . its by my most anticipated game in probably 30 yrs of gaming.
 

Lukemia SL

Member
Jan 30, 2018
9,384
It will look goofy as fuck. See games designed around first person camera.

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NJDEN

Member
Oct 27, 2017
140
I think it looked awesome and I hope they don't deviate tonally from what I saw in the demo. I hope it stays gritty, dystopian, uncomfortable, and violent and doesn't hold anything back. I feel like we seldom get big budget games that really push comfort boundaries other than maybe GTA. I'm also glad to see it's first person and I'm interested to see how widespread mechanics like the wall running are.
 

Chronos

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,204
Finally got to see it. Wow, what a ride. Looks incredible. Not sure what people are complaining about that it didn't meet expectations of what the press hyped it up to be. Looks better than I could hope for.

My PC is getting a bit dated now, perfect time to upgrade. Hope 1080 ti dip a bit in price.
 

SaintBowWow

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,085
I don't know, I was super hyped about this game and everything about it sounded like my fantasy game. But seeing it? I hate to say it but this game doesn't seem to be doing anything really original, which is NOT a bad thing. If this game could take all the things from loot and shooters and rpgs without any of the baggage and wrap it up nicely, then that's a perfectly fine game. An amazing game, actually. But I was expecting something different. And I'm not sure what. Maybe something truly next gen? I'm also highly disappointed in the cleanliness of night city. It's cyberpunk but just not cyberpunk enough. Where's the fog, and why is it always so bright gawd damn. In the end, I'm sure this is going to be an incredible game, and I'm gonna enjoy getting my hands on it. But that walkthrough left me a little underwhelmed. Deflated my hype for sure. I was expecting too much

What does that next gen mean though? Are you just talking about visual fidelity? The main things that are impressive about this game (first person AAA in a dense city with tons of narrative choice/consequence, gameplay styles, factions) will still be impressive next gen, as it takes a talented team a ton of time to make something as ambitious as what Cyberpunk looks to be.
 

bmdubya

Member
Nov 1, 2017
6,502
Colorado
Just finished the video, and while I think this game looks incredible, I have a feeling this game is being hyped to levels that it won't reach.

I'm very excited for this game, I loved Witcher 3, and I enjoy cyberpunk, but some of the rhetoric surrounding the game at E3 was "this is something we've never seen in a game before," and I feel like I've seen a lot of this in games before. I think the two things that stand out are the density and verticality of Night City, but we also don't see that much of it in the demo.

V walks around a bit in the streets, but after that, you're in a scripted scene in a car, then you drive to a couple of places, and then you fight in a warehouse.

I also want to see more RPG elements. Honestly there were a few moments in this demo that made me want to reinstall Deus Ex: Mankind Divided because it felt so similar to that game. I want to see V go to a bar and get trashed and talk to NPCs and shit like that.

I still think this looks amazing, and I'll be buying it day one, and probably taking the day off work to play when it is released. But I guess I expected more based on what journalists were saying after the closed demo.

For example, take V's apartment. I can't remember who wrote it, but I read an article talking about how their favorite moment was in V's apartment, and how the protagonist's apartment is so vital to the cyberpunk genre in general. I was excited to see it after reading that article because I feel the same way! Then in the demo, V wakes up, looks out the window, grabs a gun and jacket, and leaves.

I hope there is more. I hope you can turn on the TV and there are things to watch, or maybe you can make coffee or something. Even though you have all these implants and inhalers, the simplicity of coffee brings you back to humanity. Idk, I want shit like that.

Like I said earlier, I'm still super excited for this game, and I really enjoyed the demo. But I think game writers got it wrong this time. They hyped it up way too much. I saw some people say this is the next evolution of video games, but I guess I don't see it.
 

SharpX68K

Member
Nov 10, 2017
10,518
Chicagoland
The scale and density are unlike anything I've seen. The atmosphere too. holy fuck,

I can't believe they showed basically the entire E3 demo that was behind closed doors. Thank you, CDPR.

I absolutely think Cyberpunk 2077 will release in 2020, not only for PC and current gen consoles, but specific versions for PS5 and Scarlett as well.
 

eyeball_kid

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,236
Also man, I don't want to hand-wave people's concerns with the language here - specifically 'pussy' and 'cunt' - but come on. It's thematically and tonally appropriate, and wanting a Cyberpunk game that's seeped in slums, drugs, poverty and corruption, but barred from kirt language is just ridiculous. Cyberpunk, especially in this style, is fundamentally rife in the politically incorrect, and socially abrasive.

The casual and not-so-casual misogyny from criminals is not so much a problem for me. Because that's real, and to do otherwise would be to whitewash those kinds of people.

But I have two problems with Jackie's usage of it. One, his partner is a woman, and he seems to have a fairly good relationship (for what little we saw) with both V and his girlfriend. In my experience, men that use derogatory slurs like "don't be a pussy" don't treat women very well and don't respect them. So there is some character inconsistency there for me. Two, V is not allowed to call out his shit for what it is. Think back to something like Aliens...Vasquez didn't let sexist comments from her fellow soldiers slide, she threw it back twice as hard.
 

Ehoavash

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
7,238
Outside of the npc crowd movement I'm not really impressed by this game lol

Really not a fan of the games lighting. Reminds me of saints row the 3rd lmao
 

oxymoron

Member
Oct 27, 2017
821
I don't think Resetera is ready for this game and how dark, grimey, harsh, and generally screwed up Night City will be. If anything, this gameplay was light hearted compared to how dark I can see them going with it. It will be unforgiving in its themes. I've seen and read my share of Cyberpunk and 80s future style media so I know what to expect.
If you think that "people are offended by dark settings" is what's going on here, you're misreading. I like games that explore complex and morally murky themes, or who have characters that aren't good guys. The issue I have, and that I think others have, with this demo is that the way the language is deployed feels thoughtless - that it's being edgy and provocative for the sake of being edgy and provocative, and that it's not in service of building an interesting world.
 

Laiza

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,171
Get your head out of your own ass. First I wanted to comment on how thin skinned you must be for letting your own experience with discrimination(?) influence your perception of some fucking video game.

But then I saw that your embarrassing tantrum isn't worth the lengthy discussion that would have followed, I don't have time to tell my stories about being a victim of racial/social discrimination. Man/Woman the fuck up and move on.

Welcome to my ignore list, you puritan cry baby
I'm quoting this post because this is an exact picture of the kinds of problems that I'm fighting against. Toxic masculinity in one of its most purest, distilled forms.

The casual and not-so-casual misogyny from criminals is not so much a problem for me. Because that's real, and to do otherwise would be to whitewash those kinds of people.

But I have two problems with Jackie's usage of it. One, his partner is a woman, and he seems to have a fairly good relationship (for what little we saw) with both V and his girlfriend. In my experience, men that use derogatory slurs like "don't be a pussy" don't treat women very well and don't respect them. So there is some character inconsistency there for me. Two, V is not allowed to call out his shit for what it is. Think back to something like Aliens...Vasquez didn't let sexist comments from her fellow soldiers slide, she threw it back twice as hard.
If you think that "people are offended by dark settings" is what's going on here, you're misreading. I like games that explore complex and morally murky themes, or who have characters that aren't good guys. The issue I have, and that I think others have, with this demo is that the way the language is deployed feels thoughtless - that it's being edgy and provocative for the sake of being edgy and provocative, and that it's not in service of building an interesting world.
These posts, on the other hand - these are nice posts. Thanks for this.
 

Datajoy

use of an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
12,081
Angola / Zaire border region.
I feel third person games are actually more immersive, due to how "stiff" the movement and camera control is in a first-person game. I just imagine my character needing to rotate their entire body 90 degrees just to glance at the person they are talking to.
 
Jun 4, 2018
1,129
I've got nothing against CDPR (I've received each Witcher game free with GPU!) but upon watching this, I believe their games are not for me.
 

TheRuralJuror

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,504
Eh, it's an accurate stereotype tbh. I'm Dominican and we do that shit all the time, I work with all kinds of other latinos and they all speak variants of spanglish too. It doesn't have anything to do with the ability to be able to speak English without mixing Spanish, just some words sound better in Spanish lol.

I'm rican (well half) and my family did it for most of my life. I've met tons of other Latinos that do it too. It's not rare by any means.
 

magatsu124

Member
May 11, 2018
229
I'm totally blown away by this demo, it looked like it checked every box of what i wanted in an open world RPG. I'm wondering just how much freedom of choice you really have. If you rejected the mission and did something how would that effect the game?
 

eathdemon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,690
The scale and density are unlike anything I've seen. The atmosphere too. holy fuck,

I can't believe they showed basically the entire E3 demo that was behind closed doors. Thank you, CDPR.

I absolutely think Cyberpunk 2077 will release in 2020, not only for PC and current gen consoles, but specific versions for PS5 and Scarlett as well.
the crowd denisity alone puts it out of current gen. unless they cut back on crowds.
 

Jimrpg

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,280
I feel third person games are actually more immersive, due to how "stiff" the movement and camera control is in a first-person game. I just imagine my character needing to rotate their entire body 90 degrees just to glance at the person they are talking to.

I feel like I see a much wider field of view in 3rd person, so I like it better, plus i get motion sick in first person. I guess its the same deal as most people who play in VR.
 

Remember

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,484
Chicago, IL United States
If you think that "people are offended by dark settings" is what's going on here, you're misreading. I like games that explore complex and morally murky themes, or who have characters that aren't good guys. The issue I have, and that I think others have, with this demo is that the way the language is deployed feels thoughtless - that it's being edgy and provocative for the sake of being edgy and provocative, and that it's not in service of building an interesting world.

The issue is that that type of language is part of what you and I are describing for the world. It's hand in hand. Most people here won't like it. I think it's a bit cheesy myself. So what I'm saying is that if something like curse words are proving to be a barrier for some people here(whether used correctly or not), then they need to strap in or abort now because I can see this being just the beginning.
 

noyram23

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,372
It's shaping up to be everything I wanted in a game outside of first person perspective. I know CD can deliver!
 

SupremeWu

Banned
Dec 19, 2017
2,856
User Warned: Downplaying the importance of progressive efforts
This place would be so much better if everyone would stop trying to out-woke each other and just talk games. Technical aspects, gameplay, story.

Not, how offended can we get about anything.

So very much better.
 

Jimrpg

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,280
The scale and density are unlike anything I've seen. The atmosphere too. holy fuck,

I can't believe they showed basically the entire E3 demo that was behind closed doors. Thank you, CDPR.

I absolutely think Cyberpunk 2077 will release in 2020, not only for PC and current gen consoles, but specific versions for PS5 and Scarlett as well.

It'll be 7/7/20.

But hopefully next year.

I'm going to time my purchase of a new GPU in line with this game. RDR2 will probably be out by then too.
 

Crossing Eden

Member
Oct 26, 2017
53,375
This place would be so much better if
We are talking about the game. As a story driven RPG with hours upon hours upon hours worth of script dialogue how it handles certain subject matter and the moment to moment dialogue and how that relates or is influenced by the cyberpunk genre is absolutely a pertinent aspect of discussion. To argue otherwise while in the same post imploring everybody to talk about story is some next level cognitive dissonance. What is a game to you? Devoid of social issues and commentary?
 

Baked Pigeon

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,087
Phoenix
Just watched the video for the first time, and this easily is one of the coolest games I have ever seen. Sure, we have seen open world RPG's before, but this one has what appears to be an incredible amount of depth and detail. Day 1.
 

joylevel11

Banned
May 19, 2018
840
The size of the city seems crazy. I'm worried about just how open the map is. I think we'll be able to walk along every street and drive every road but I want to know how many buildings you can go into. Also in V's building can you only go to her floor or could you get off at another? When she's crossing the road you see another elevator coming down...I want to know if there is anything stopping us going in it.

I know Witcher 3 had a lot of locked buildings and I don't mind that but I just want to know how open this is
 

Remember

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,484
Chicago, IL United States
This place would be so much better if everyone would stop trying to out-woke each other and just talk games. Technical aspects, gameplay, story.

Not, how offended can we get about anything.

So very much better.

We would have been better off if we had somehow managed to boot the person running Neogaf instead of moving to a new site with a 3rd of our previous userbase. Fractured communities caused echo chambers on all sides.
 

Coi

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,808
I'll wait for the enhanced PS5 version. I loved everything. I was expecting something more like "Ciberpunk Witcher" than a shooter, but I'm ok for now.
Can't wait for a new video revealing more RPG elements like interactions, people relationships, mission mechanics, romance and city places.

Also I'm not a fan of the first person view. But whatever. Also I hope for a more polished combat system, at this time looks generic (and that's ok) but for the scope of the game I was expecting a little more like innovative weapons, upgrades, hacking tools, etc. Maybe for a next gameplay video.

Aaaand, I'm pretty sure that I'll be out from communities and social media for this game, I'm really tired of people fighting about almost every little detail that they think it's offensive. If you don't like, don't play it. It's simple, vote with your wallet. CDPR it's not making the game for you and you expectations about what you think it's good for society.
 
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texhnolyze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,174
Indonesia
Just finished the video, and while I think this game looks incredible, I have a feeling this game is being hyped to levels that it won't reach.

I'm very excited for this game, I loved Witcher 3, and I enjoy cyberpunk, but some of the rhetoric surrounding the game at E3 was "this is something we've never seen in a game before," and I feel like I've seen a lot of this in games before. I think the two things that stand out are the density and verticality of Night City, but we also don't see that much of it in the demo.

V walks around a bit in the streets, but after that, you're in a scripted scene in a car, then you drive to a couple of places, and then you fight in a warehouse.

I also want to see more RPG elements. Honestly there were a few moments in this demo that made me want to reinstall Deus Ex: Mankind Divided because it felt so similar to that game. I want to see V go to a bar and get trashed and talk to NPCs and shit like that.

I still think this looks amazing, and I'll be buying it day one, and probably taking the day off work to play when it is released. But I guess I expected more based on what journalists were saying after the closed demo.

For example, take V's apartment. I can't remember who wrote it, but I read an article talking about how their favorite moment was in V's apartment, and how the protagonist's apartment is so vital to the cyberpunk genre in general. I was excited to see it after reading that article because I feel the same way! Then in the demo, V wakes up, looks out the window, grabs a gun and jacket, and leaves.

I hope there is more. I hope you can turn on the TV and there are things to watch, or maybe you can make coffee or something. Even though you have all these implants and inhalers, the simplicity of coffee brings you back to humanity. Idk, I want shit like that.

Like I said earlier, I'm still super excited for this game, and I really enjoyed the demo. But I think game writers got it wrong this time. They hyped it up way too much. I saw some people say this is the next evolution of video games, but I guess I don't see it.
Yeah, for the most parts, this is a missions playthrough demo. At least there's a small tidbit on outfit, weapon, and augmentations. They'll probably show off more specific RPG mechanics later in dedicated videos leading up to release.
 
Feb 10, 2018
17,534
The scale and density are unlike anything I've seen. The atmosphere too. holy fuck,

I can't believe they showed basically the entire E3 demo that was behind closed doors. Thank you, CDPR.

I absolutely think Cyberpunk 2077 will release in 2020, not only for PC and current gen consoles, but specific versions for PS5 and Scarlett as well.

I hope the next gen version gets even more graphical bells and whistle while being 60fps, it would be a dreamboat.
 

Remember

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
2,484
Chicago, IL United States
Also I'm not a fan of the first person view. But whatever. Also I hope for a more polished combat system, at this time looks generic (and that's ok) but for the scope of the game I was expecting a little more like innovative weapons, upgrades, hacking tools, etc.

You should have watched the second half of the video when they unlock later game features(like the ones youre describing) for one scenario.