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ZangBa

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Oct 25, 2017
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It looked ok I guess but it's weird to me how you have all these abilities but your friend, and enemies who presumably go further with enhancements than you do, act basically like normal ass gun shooting goons from any other FPS.
 

R_thanatos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes? Have you heard of "death of the author"? For a lot of people, the reaction of a person to a work is completely divorced from the intent of the creator. Plus, a lot of creators may have stereotypical and harmful views of certain groups and that filters into their works.
I haven't seen anything that indicate anything of the sort about the bolded (EDIT : for this creator i mean )

As for the rest , of the post ,i now don't understand why you went this route regarding the author. You have a reaction to something and you don't care about the intent , so that's the best way to miss the point made. People just don't express themselves with only words , the intent is a concept that matters. ignoring this is a fine way to reach an erronous conclusion , in my opinion.
 
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vestan

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Game world looks a lot like Sunset Overdrive.

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DanteMenethil

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Oct 25, 2017
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Only caught bits and pieces but I have to sit down and watch whole thing. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm much more into the vibe and atmosphere of something like the new Deus Ex games than this. The style seems a bit goofy to me. I'm gonna watch later and maybe I'll see where all these hyperbolic statements cone from...

Yeah a bit like how Fallout is the 60's interpreation of the future, Cyperpunk's style is the 80's interpretation of the future so there's fluo neon clothes and Cadillacs everywhere instead of the more muted style of Deus Ex
 

DerpHause

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Oct 27, 2017
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All i'm saying is "pussy" and "bitch" are low-hanging fruit and not even the best/most relevant terms to use in this society to degrade someone. Pussy stems from toxic masculinity and bitch from anti-feminist roots. Given this is a world embedded with circuitry and augments, there's a dozen other terms they could use - and HAVE used in the source material and adjacent universes. All i'm saying and will continue to say is that Pussy and Bitch is lazy and not reflective of anything more than laziness to pull from the rich backlog of vocabulary the entire genre already has.

That said, it is entirely representative of the sort of writing-mind the studio has, given they think "did you assume my gender" is still a joke to make in 2018. They probably hastily scrapped some recorded lines from the game set in 2077 after the backlash. From this snippet, the writing will be a mixed bag of good moments with lots of things that will be instantly aged or problematic. And them being problematic or out-of-date won't be because it is "authentic" but the opposite. Lazy and low-hanging words that have better and established replacements within the established canon of all cyberpunk works.
Depends on how normalized those aspects of this society are. Augments don't seem rare or exclusive in a way that creates a derogatory class. Imagery surrounding the game makes it look near ubiquitous. It feels like paralleling a first world major city and insulting someone for having a cellphone. It doesn't actually flow with the setting and paints the speaker as an outsider for insulting a norm. That works for something like a self insert fish out of water scenario, but you're supposed to be a natural inhabitant of this world and those quirks are the only reality you know. Your normal and default.

As such they fell back on the tropish conflicts and denigrations we've had and have worked into common language. Lazy? I'll buy that argument, though I also find it believable for much the same reasons. Problematic or not, we're not looking at a scenario where problematic elements are likely to be resolved. This conversation does have me wondering though if the conflicts and new prejudices we see created in some fiction are ways to broach and use the subject without the real world baggage. Especially when they don't inspect them too deeply.
 

NippleViking

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May 2, 2018
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Game world looks a lot like Sunset Overdrive. Still bummed it's such a departure from the more darker blade runner look of the initial teaser.

I think we'll still get this. There's going to be several (4?) different areas, and I'd be shocked if one wasn't upper-east side/Beverley Hills-esque, and utterly oozing in affluence, gloss, reflections and advanced tech. They're definitely leaning into the PUNK! more heavily than first anticipated.

Also man, I don't want to hand-wave people's concerns with the language here - specifically 'pussy' and 'cunt' - but come on. It's thematically and tonally appropriate, and wanting a Cyberpunk game that's seeped in slums, drugs, poverty and corruption, but barred from kirt language is just ridiculous. Cyberpunk, especially in this style, is fundamentally rife in the politically incorrect, and socially abrasive.

The concerns with the Hollywood Spanish are well-instantiated.
 

lukeskymac

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Oct 30, 2017
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Your assertion that gendered insults are core to cyberpunk is stupid on its face.

Ghost in the Shell ain't gonna have none of this shit. Serial Experiments Lain sure don't. Shit, I can play a cyberpunk-ass dingy and dirty game like Brigador where you're literally paid for killing innocent people and not run into language like that. It's almost as if it's completely orthogonal to the genre!

You're conflating those works having mostly avoided insults of that caliber at all (gendered or not) with some unwritten rule. It's not like works like SEL even have a single scene where any insult this low would make any sense. Cyberpunk (as in, the RPG, not the genre) takes the -punk very literally, and anyone who watched the gameplay can very quickly pick up on that. It's hard not to believe you're being disingenuous to think this sort of language doesn't fit the work.
 
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Heckler456

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Oct 25, 2017
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Doesn't change the fact the writing can be better. Pussy is lazy and there's a dozen more apt insults to use that would be more fitting in the world/genre.
Lazy or wide-reaching? Everyone knows what "pussy" is supposed to say. And in a world with as much jargon as CP77 is already displaying, they can use a little forthrightness.
 

VeePs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Only caught bits and pieces but I have to sit down and watch whole thing. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm much more into the vibe and atmosphere of something like the new Deus Ex games than this. The style seems a bit goofy to me. I'm gonna watch later and maybe I'll see where all these hyperbolic statements cone from...

Just wanna say Midnight in Paris is a top tier movie. I've seen in multiple times and I'll probably watch it a few more times this year lol. It sucks Woody Allen is a questionable character, but the movie is still fantastic.
 

MisterMangu

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Feb 12, 2018
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6 minutes in, game looks pretty but I'm not in awe yet.
Also, can we stop with the fucking stereotype of Latino characters having to mix some Spanish words in between their English speeches? I am Latino, but I can clearly speak complete sentences in English when I need to, it's jarring and overused, it would be really refreshing to see a Latino character speak full sentences in English without mixing it with Spanish here and there.
Eh, it's an accurate stereotype tbh. I'm Dominican and we do that shit all the time, I work with all kinds of other latinos and they all speak variants of spanglish too. It doesn't have anything to do with the ability to be able to speak English without mixing Spanish, just some words sound better in Spanish lol.
 

Yerffej

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm gonna lose myself in this. An actual rival to GTA in attention to detail.
 

Tarot Deck

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Oct 27, 2017
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62 Pages already?!

Yup, this game is gonna be huge

Amazing trailer btw and lol about them legs


Music is great too
 
May 26, 2018
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Only caught bits and pieces but I have to sit down and watch whole thing. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm much more into the vibe and atmosphere of something like the new Deus Ex games than this. The style seems a bit goofy to me. I'm gonna watch later and maybe I'll see where all these hyperbolic statements cone from...

It's certainly a mishmash of different things. On one hand it's Blade Runner and Gibson's Sprawl, and on the other hand it's Max Headroom and Farcry: Blood Dragon.

And to be honest, that's kinda the tone of the original tabletop game, too. It tries to inhabit the space between dead serious cyberpunk and goofier, more satirical cyberpunk.
 

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What I'm actually throwing a fit over is the absolutely callous dismissiveness I constantly see all over forums like these by posters like you. Posters who are too goddamned self-centered and too egotistical to ever consider another human being's point of view.
Don't buy the game and move on, or create a separate thread for this discussion. You've basically been thread shitting and derailing for the last 20 pages
 

Laiza

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Oct 25, 2017
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Don't buy the game and move on, or create a separate thread for this discussion. You've basically been thread shitting and derailing for the last 20 pages
Go ask a moderator to moderate for you, or stop backseat moderating.

All these posters who keep displaying their callousness for all to see are unlikely to stop just because I stop posting, and I sure as hell am not ready to let it go.

Also, to be clear once again, "don't buy the game" is a cop-out, and I never said it was enough to make me not buy the game in the first place.
 

Remember

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Oct 29, 2017
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Also man, I don't want to hand-wave people's concerns with the language here - specifically 'pussy' and 'cunt' - but come on. It's thematically and tonally appropriate, and wanting a Cyberpunk game that's seeped in slums, drugs, poverty and corruption, but barred from kirt language is just ridiculous. Cyberpunk, especially in this style, is fundamentally rife in the politically incorrect, and socially abrasive.

I don't think Resetera is ready for this game and how dark, grimey, harsh, and generally screwed up Night City will be. If anything, this gameplay was light hearted compared to how dark I can see them going with it. It will be unforgiving in its themes. I've seen and read my share of Cyberpunk and 80s future style media so I know what to expect.
 

HardRojo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Alternatively, have him speak fully in Spanish and have auto-translated subtitles at the bottom for V. Hash-tag immersion.
Now this is an idea I can get behind. Have him speak English completely during regular activities, and if you happen to run into a Spanish speaking NPC, have him speak Spanish while your whatever translates to English subs in real time, would be pretty nice if it worked like this, actually.
Eh, it's an accurate stereotype tbh. I'm Dominican and we do that shit all the time, I work with all kinds of other latinos and they all speak variants of spanglish too. It doesn't have anything to do with the ability to be able to speak English without mixing Spanish, just some words sound better in Spanish lol.
It's overused and annoying at this point, it's like some creators can't find a way to write a compelling Latino character, so they decide to go for the stereotype Latino that will always keep throwing Spanish words in his speech, despite them not being around characters who also speak Spanish.
 

Harken Raiser

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Oct 25, 2017
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The nudity is gratuitous and the Hispanic dude is a stereotype.

Easy there, the concerns of marginalized individuals are less important than the creative vision of a commercial software company. I've grown less enamored with the cyberpunk genre as it becomes clearer that we're already living in a cyberpunk dystopia.
 

Rᴏb

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Feb 24, 2018
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It seems like there's going to be a lot to do and a lot to say about this game. I'm very interested to see the final product.
 

NCR Ranger

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Oct 25, 2017
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Game looks good, but assuming this was the same basic demo shown behind closed doors the "I know something you don't" crowd overhyped the shit out of it.

With Deus Ex seemingly on the back burner it is nice to have a first person cyberpunk rpg to look forward to in the near future.
 

Sloane

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Oct 25, 2017
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It really looks like a / the first true successor to Deus Ex to me, didn't expect that at all after everything I had heard about the game. Wish you could play third person but oh well.
 

7thFloor

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Oct 27, 2017
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We use it in Peru as well, but it has a different meaning than Mexico. Here you use it for someone who's trying to be sly, cunning, crafty, something like that. Say you're dealing with someone and notice they were trying to rip you off, you go "No seas pendejo!" (Don't be pendejo).
Huh didn't know that, my mother is Peruvian and I've never heard anyone in my family say it
 

Jimrpg

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Oct 26, 2017
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looks amazing

hope there's a 3rd person mod. surely someone will do it. its weird that you can customise yourself so much but can't actually see it.