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disparate

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, I'll grant it'll probably look better than any console exclusive but yeah, I'm optimistic it'll play well on current-gen GPUs.
 

Dog

Cat
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Oct 25, 2017
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How did something so cool and exciting morph into this fucking mess of a thread?
 

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
10,232
That's an inherent limitation in all RPGs.

He says something really dumb about his big balls at the start. The fact that I couldn't choose to roll her eyes or make her say "Seriously? Who talks like that?"... How is a developer meant to address every possible thought and potential action and statement every gamer would want to make? If that's your standard for immersion, you will never find a game immersive.

I didn't see much in the dialogue choices that provided options as to how you build your relationship with Jackie, whether you want to be all business, or make snarky comebacks, whatever. This is something that many pure RPGs do, so on that point I think 2077 has work to do if they want to provide a real RPG experience with character development.
 

mob21

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Oct 27, 2017
166
User Banned (Permanent): Trolling, history of infractions for similar. Junior account.
How did something so cool and exciting get into this fucking mess of a thread?

You do realize what site we are posting on right? Every thread is just another event in the Woke Olympics
 

Bansai

Teyvat Traveler
Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,263
Your profile says "male" why is your opinion as important on the matter of gendered slurs of "cunt" and "pussy" as a womans? They aren't negatives about your gender,

Maybe because I was talking about "slurs" towards all genders since the beginning? Saying if male centric slurs are acceptable then why not the female slurs as long as they're directed towards all genders to avoid being exploitative towards one specific group? The user disagreed and so did I, difference of opinion, personal experience etc.

But putting that aside, probably because we're all on a discussion board and we're all users of equal standing? Unless I missed some caveat when I read the ToS I'm still gonna carry on with that assumption, thank you.
 

Marossi

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,997
That's an inherent limitation in all RPGs.

He says something really dumb about his big balls at the start. The fact that I couldn't choose to roll her eyes or make her say "Seriously? Who talks like that?"... How is a developer meant to address every possible thought and potential action and statement every gamer would want to make? If that's your standard for immersion, you will never find a game immersive.
Alright I get it, my point was not made clear, let me rephrase myself.

My point I'm trying to make is there are many ways you can express a mature dystopia world with crime and stuff without making offensive use of certain words that are offensive to minorities fighting for equality. Just because it's part of the setting don't mean shit, it's a bad excuse, I'm certainly don't want to sit on my sofa, boot up my videogame to have a good immersive time, and then be constantly reminded of minorities being shit on and then have the excuse "it's part of the setting"

If this was a historical game, I guess it would be another story since it has all the history context and stuff. But when it's a setting from the future? Nuh uh, that excuse ain't flying.
 

Jecht

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Oct 25, 2017
2,650
My point being that the gaming press overhypedthe graphics by a substantial amount.

Saying it seemed Impossible for current gen hardware to be able to run this game when I clearly see that it's very feasible to do so.

Is it confirmed that it's the same build and demo?

What I'm getting at is maybe press was shown a smaller slice that incidentally had more graphical effects.

I mean, I think the game looks pretty good for the scale either way.
 

principal

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Feb 14, 2018
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wow

they actually did. those mad lads fucking did it.

looks amazing. keep going CDPR. dont ever change.
 
Nov 1, 2017
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No, part of the problem of sexism is men thinking they know as much as women on being a women - how on earth, logically, are they able to do that???

Your right a man isn't a woman. But we do have empathy. By seeing what you say happen in life, to see it happen to friends or loved ones. We're not blind. We can care and we can feel. We think and we can react. We're going to have opinions. Saying we're not allowed to have any because we're not something.......that's pretty damn blind and arrogant to say. In the end we're human too.
 

neonxaos

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Oct 29, 2017
508
This is truly next level. I think I will need to upgrade my machine to experience this in its full glory, when the time comes.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone else think the missions looked to dark?

The city walkthrough was fine but the actual missions was can't see shit captain.
I actually thought the city walkthrough was too bright. I wanted the city to be much darker with the primary light being the neon advertisements.

blade-runner-2049-q-and-a-04.jpg
 

amstradcpc

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Oct 27, 2017
1,768
Honestly, the shooting looks pretty bad. No recoil, no weigh, all aim assist.
So boring.
And instead of whirling around like in TW3, we just slide/jump to slow down time and aim with a shotgun instead.
I mean, is there a point in doing anything else but to slow down time and headshotting people?
Yes, slow time is too prevalent. Makes shooting look hyper boring. As that auto aim weapon. By the way, the AI seems to to take the same shooting gallery AI from COD.
 

Heckler456

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,256
Belgium
My point being that the gaming press overhypedthe graphics by a substantial amount.

Saying it seemed Impossible for current gen hardware to be able to run this game when I clearly see that it's very feasible to do so.
I liked you post more when it said "sybstantisl". You took away my opportunity for a witty response, dammit!

Also, if there's one thing for damn sure, 8 gigs of ram ain't enough to run all that variety.
 

Superman2x7

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Nov 4, 2017
1,692
Listen to the words being said.

You're right, who am I to tell someone what they can and can't be offended by. We're all different from different areas, neighborhoods and values.

Some times I feel as if we stress on video games much more than any other sort of media, when a lot of the times games are mirroring movies and books etc and there are no complaints there.
 

FirewalkR

Member
Oct 27, 2017
695
London
I've had a Cyberpunk 2077 avatar for years, even in the old forum, and it's now even more justified than before. I'm there Day 1.
 

KORNdog

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Oct 30, 2017
8,001
Great demo and I want the game. But not entirely sure what the press were pissing their pants over? Visually it looks pretty rough in some areas. The shadows in particular are terrible and the LOD/pop-in is pretty noticeable at all times. Art and atmosphere is great though. Just wish the media didn't hype the hell out of it. Even mechanically it doesn't look particualrly mind blowing. It all just looks nice and serviceable. The setting and potential story are what's selling it to me more than anything though.

Definitely made me accept it is a current gen game though. It is safely within current gen visual standards.
 

disparate

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Oct 25, 2017
7,904
I liked you post more when it said "sybstantisl". You took away my opportunity for a witty response, dammit!

Also, if there's one thing for damn sure, 8 gigs of ram ain't enough to run all that variety.
5-6 usable, but that's less of an issue than the tablet CPUs.

edit:
If we're going to compare graphics of stuff, can we stop using Sunhi's gifs? I love them but they're not unlike bullshots in gif form.
 

StuBurns

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Banned
Nov 12, 2017
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I didn't see much in the dialogue choices that provided options as to how you build your relationship with Jackie, whether you want to be all business, or make snarky comebacks, whatever. This is something that many pure RPGs do, so on that point I think 2077 has work to do if they want to provide a real RPG experience with character development.
I really didn't like Jackie, and I wouldn't want to be friends with him at all, so personally, I'd rather it feel like a reluctant partnership, but alas.

Some of this, or really, all of this, is a question of scope. It is insane that this game is even being made full stop. The only reason it can is that the wages in Poland are like a quarter of what they are in the US, and that CDPR have become independently, remarkably wealthy for their size. But there is a limitation even then. And the results are obviously not going to work for everyone. I'm far from bowled over by the demo. I'll play it in four/five years I imagine, but it's not like some holy artifact that I'd have expected based on the E3 impressions.

It's only possible to do some much, and in that, you can only please a certain amount of the audience. It's sad, but it's the fiscal realties of the situation.
Alright I get it, my point was not made clear, let me rephrase myself.

My point I'm trying to make is there are many ways you can express a mature dystopia world with crime and stuff without making offensive use of certain words that are offensive to minorities fighting for equality. Just because it's part of the setting don't mean shit, it's a bad excuse, I'm certainly don't want to sit on my sofa, boot up my videogame to have a good immersive time, and then be constantly reminded of minorities being shit on and then have the excuse "it's part of the setting"

If this was a historical game, I guess it would be another story since it has all the history context and stuff. But when it's a setting from the future? Nuh uh, that excuse ain't flying.
Okay, I totally follow all that.

Let's tackle it this way. This is a game in which you murder people, and people are murdered. In no polite society do we accept murder. Should CDPR have to account for people who don't want to experience murder in their game? What about drug use? Theft? Prostitution?

This is a deprived and disgraceful society, and they're exploring that. There are many aspects of which that people will find distasteful, but that is the point of their inclusions. It's not meant to be pleasant, it's meant to be a compelling experience, and sure, they could sanitise racial or bigoted language, but they've chosen not to, and they've released forty-five minutes of video of it like two years ahead of release to make it clear what they're making.

I fully understand people being dismayed and disinterested as a result. I think the writing is really bad, and the art's pretty ugly too, I'm disappointed for sure. Not enough to not play it, but it's a factor. If the use of pussy is enough to stop being buying the game, that's okay. Not every game can appeal to every sensibility, and they're not meant to.
 
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JudgmentJay

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Nov 14, 2017
5,220
Texas
Looks great. I do think the press impressions regarding the graphics were a little overblown though. Looks good but there's nothing mind-blowing here. GOTY 2020.

EDIT: Actually for an open world game it definitely sets a new bar graphically and for that I suppose it deserves the praise.
 

Kaako

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the reason that the press was so damn hype about it is because it is believable, gameplay footage this early on and it looks pretty damn good given the supposed scale and density shown today. It doesn't scream bullshots.
 

Pancracio17

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Oct 29, 2017
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Alright I get it, my point was not made clear, let me rephrase myself.

My point I'm trying to make is there are many ways you can express a mature dystopia world with crime and stuff without making offensive use of certain words that are offensive to minorities fighting for equality. Just because it's part of the setting don't mean shit, it's a bad excuse, I'm certainly don't want to sit on my sofa, boot up my videogame to have a good immersive time, and then be constantly reminded of minorities being shit on and then have the excuse "it's part of the setting"

If this was a historical game, I guess it would be another story since it has all the history context and stuff. But when it's a setting from the future? Nuh uh, that excuse ain't flying.
Its part of the Cyberpunk genre and it portrays these things negatively.
But if you dont like it, dont buy it I guess.
 

Crossing Eden

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Oct 26, 2017
53,322
Some times I feel as if we stress on video games much more than any sort of media
Of all forms of media video games get the most surface level criticisms possible compared to the discussions surrounding other mediums. Like, we couldn't even get past a woman doing what was essentially feminism 101 without thousands of people harassing her in an attempt to get her to stop.
 

Imm0ralKnight

Avenger
Nov 7, 2017
990
Okay that gameplay demo just cemented Cyberpunk 2077 as my most anticipated game bar none!

I love the setting and the FPS. Gonna play through it so many times, both male and female!
 

rras1994

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Nov 4, 2017
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Your right a man isn't a woman. But we do have empathy. By seeing what you say happen in life, to see it happen to friends or loved ones. We're not blind. We can care and we can feel. We think and we can react. We're going to have opinions. Saying we're not allowed to have any because we're not something.......that's pretty damn blind and arrogant to say. In the end we're human too.
I said your opinion does not carry as much weight as a womens, not that you can't have one. Women's opinions hold more weight on women's issues than a man. No matter how much you empathasis you aren't going to understand it as much as a women. Just like I wouldn't assume my opinion would matter more or even the same on issues that affect black people then a black person, or any other minority. You don't know what hearing those slurs against you all the time feels like, cus they aren't directed towards you.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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Lol can't believe people actually arguing about slang words like "pussy" or "cunt", it's almost as hilarious as that other post earlier about someone complaining how all the NPC's in the demo don't look friendly or welcoming, I mean this is what they're going for isn't it?
Nobody forced them to write it like that, they could have just not done it, was that really integral to the experience? Their vision would be so compromised they could not have made the game without it?
I swear some people take some stuff way too seriously.
Maybe don't downplay women's concerns.
 

Laiza

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Oct 25, 2017
2,171
Maybe because I was talking about "slurs" towards all genders since the beginning? Saying if male centric slurs are acceptable then why not the female slurs as long as they're directed towards all genders to avoid being exploitative towards one specific group? The user disagreed and so did I, difference of opinion, personal experience etc.

But putting that aside, probably because we're all on a discussion board and we're all users of equal standing? Unless I missed some caveat when I read the ToS I'm still gonna carry on with that assumption, thank you.
Alright, let me try to make this as clear as possible.

Men do not have a history of being oppressed for their gender. Any male-specific slurs are usually either homophobic ("cocksucker") or misogynistic ("pussy"). There is basically no insult that is completely male-gendered because men do not have a history of being seen as weak.

It is a completely different thing for a woman to be called a "bitch" than it is for a man to be called a "cocksucker". They simply are not comparable. The sheer difference in terms of the history alone is a major factor here. Again, women have been historically oppressed for fuckin' millenia, and we're still fighting against that shit to this day, so, y'know, we kind of get more say on the matter of what language should be acceptable versus the guys who just don't have to deal with as much shit as we do. Surely you can understand that much, right?
 

Flash

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Oct 27, 2017
377
What's the best 4k version of this I can watch?
There is no actual 4K footage. It is 1080p upscaled. Also the 1080p footage doesn't seem to be compression free or raw in any way so there are a lot of dithering and pixelation.

Hopefully Gamersyde is able to get some raw 1080p game play because if that was upscaled to 4K it would be better than what's currently on YouTube.