What role and place do conservatives and Republicans have on this fourm?

TerminusFox · Aug 27, 2018

I can somewhat deal with a conservative even if I heavily heavily disagree with them when it comes to actual legit policy.

Republicans tho? Nah. Fuck you times infinity if you're still associating with them after the trashfire that is trump

JustinP · Aug 27, 2018

inner-G said:
Of course they are.

I think poor PoC and poor conservatives are in the same boat.

inner-G said:
So I've never been called a 'breeder'...

Wait, you think poor liberals are bamboozled into being afraid of... straight people?

Necron · Aug 27, 2018

Shodan14 said:
I mean what role do non-US people have here? They can't even vote.

He's always in the news here too I guess (Switzerland here, reporting in). It's baffling what has occured in the US. It highlights how little I know about that country, its people and their views. I know the aforementioned is heterogeneously spread throughout the country.

There's not much to contribute from my end, I think. However, I will state my impressions looking in: the whole country seems devided. I just hope the damage can be mitigated somehow at this point... for them especially but also its allies. Needless to say, the next president and the team he puts together has a lot to fix. I see big problems in Republican leadership, as this strategy they have with Trump seems in no way built for longevity. The party is Trump at this point, but what happens afterwards?

Kneecap · Aug 27, 2018

If and when you can listen to and understand the conversation and are able to change your opinion based on what you hear and your own ability to reason, THEN you have a place at that conversation. If you join a conversation only to read the talking points handed to you by others, I don't want a dialogue with you. You aren't open to persuasion, and the bad faith of your intentions bars you from persuading me.

Kumquat · Aug 27, 2018

sphagnum said:
They can say whatever they want so long as it does not go against the rules of the TOS. The problem is that conservatism at this point largely rests on ideas that go against the TOS.

You'd basically have to be a Rockefeller Republican, which doesn't really exist anymore, or a strongly principled libertarian to get by, and then you'd get dog piled anyway because it's a heavily liberal community.

As a left leaning Libertarian I will say I rarely express my views that run contrary to how people run on here because I know the culture around here. I am very socially liberal but tend more towards being a fiscal conservative. In the current climate I don't feel comfortable expressing any of my more conservative leanings because of what the Republicans have become which is disgusting and should be stopped. I'm voting blue this November. I'm sorry I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 as well.

Cryptosporidium · Aug 27, 2018

Republicans arent even conservative

Idk what the fuck they are but they sure as hell arent anything out of Edmund Burke

Besides imo, conservatism needs to be reformed.

Weak govt > limited govt

You can have a welfare state whilst also having a weak govt, why cons dont get this is beyond me

platocplx · Aug 27, 2018

Cryptosporidium said:
Republicans arent even conservative

Idk what the fuck they are but they sure as hell arent anything out of Edmund Burke

Besides imo, conservatism needs to be reformed.

Weak govt > limited govt

You can have a welfare state whilst also having a weak govt, why cons dont get this is beyond me

They are regressives. someone actually conservative would be like wait wait lets check out all the details first and then move forward or have a slower progression of progress but still with evidence make progress. They really are just looking to send everything backwards over and over again despite mountains of evidence against their policies.

Caz · Aug 27, 2018

They don't.

TrumpTrain2020 · Aug 27, 2018

Nepenthe said:
And we're picking ours.

Do you believe minorities deserve equal treatment and equitable access to opportunity?

It is imperative to answer right now because lives are on the line with this answer. If anyone has answered "yes," then we can hash out fiscal policy.

I haven't come across anyone in person from either side that would disagree that minorities deserve both equal treatment and equality of opportunity. I assume any disagreements come after that statement on the follow-up topics. Of course, there are probably some out there that would outwardly disagree, but those folks are generally unsavory.

Naphu · Aug 27, 2018

TrumpTrain2020 said:
I haven't come across anyone in person from either side that would disagree that minorities deserve both equal treatment and equality of opportunity. I assume any disagreements come after that statement on the follow-up topics. Of course, there are probably some out there that would outwardly disagree, but those folks are generally unsavory.

How about the entire Unite the Right rally last year? Which you can't call unsavory because I heard there was very good people on both sides there. But anyways, it's less if you say it and it's more what policies you actually enact. Like, say, closing a bunch of voting centers only in black neighborhoods in Georgia which literally just happened.

Cryptosporidium · Aug 27, 2018

platocplx said:
They are regressives. someone actually conservative would be like wait wait lets check out all the details first and then move forward or have a slower progression of progress but still with evidence make progress. They really are just looking to send everything backwards over and over again despite mountains of evidence against their policies.

Yeah I agree with this

Look at how Ontario Premier Ford cancelled Basic Income pilot despite the potential it would be more efficient than our current welfare system

4859 · Aug 27, 2018

Nepenthe said:
And we're picking ours.

We've decided that full-blown Trumpers are a lost cause, and we have drawn the line in the sand when it comes to bigotry for the remaining conservatives. Right now, at this very moment, these people have a simple question to answer:

Do you believe minorities deserve equal treatment and equitable access to opportunity?

It is imperative to answer right now because lives are on the line with this answer. If anyone has answered "yes," then we can hash out fiscal policy.

But if you hem and haw about it, then nope. Come back to me when you've either come to your senses on your own, with help from your family, or with a punch.

Being this straight forward about this is a lost cause man.

No one is going to come right out and admit this....

I could try and explain this, but nothing I could say will be as succinct and to the point as Lee Atwater on the subject:

The fiscal policy IS saying minorities don't deserve the same rights and access to opportunity.

TarpitCarnivore · Aug 27, 2018

ShadowFox said:
I can somewhat deal with a conservative even if I heavily heavily disagree with them when it comes to actual legit policy.

Republicans tho? Nah. Fuck you times infinity if you're still associating with them after the trashfire that is trump

This statement makes no sense. Especially since they're pretty much synonymous at this point

TarpitCarnivore · Aug 27, 2018

Damn double post

QuantumZebra · Aug 27, 2018

Heromanz said:
With the passing of John McCain and the resulting thread it got me thinking about conservative and Republicans role and places in this community. Era is one of the most liberal forum on the web. Is a home to some great liberal people. However it is no secret that this place is also home to many conservatives and republicans. It also no Secret that the Republicans party and other conservatives party have policies and views that goes against the very idea of what era stands for, like being anti poor, black, minorities, lgbtq community etc. And it has been Amplified with President Trump in office a man who also goes against what this forum stands for. So my question is what place and role do conservatives and Republican have on this forum. For example is against TOS to be a pro Trump member on this?

Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

Me personally I am a libertarian and very anti-government across the board except in a few respects. I get along just fine here.

RedMercury · Aug 27, 2018

TrumpTrain2020 said:
I haven't come across anyone in person from either side that would disagree that minorities deserve both equal treatment and equality of opportunity.

Of course they don't think they are racists "TrumpTrain2020", but they freely vote for racism.

Opto · Aug 27, 2018

If you're a republican you're a Trump supporter whether you voted for him or not. Your party has been licking his ass ever since he became president.

Before him, you were the party of opposing the first black president solely because he was black. You supported state republicans flushing voter registrations and blocking non-whites and students from voting with your bullshit ID voter laws. You spent the most energy blocking rights for LGBT people and you still fight tooth and nail to keep trans folks from being accepted.

Fuck you. Get off this forum and go hang with the sex criminals in the other place

Heromanz · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

Me personally I am a libertarian and very anti-government across the board except in a few respects. I get along just fine here.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Deleted member 4274 · Aug 27, 2018

Kumquat said:
As a left leaning Libertarian I will say I rarely express my views that run contrary to how people run on here because I know the culture around here. I am very socially liberal but tend more towards being a fiscal conservative. In the current climate I don't feel comfortable expressing any of my more conservative leanings because of what the Republicans have become which is disgusting and should be stopped. I'm voting blue this November. I'm sorry I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016 as well.

Ehhh... I say go for it. And vote for whoever the hell you want. Check my post history, I'm as liberal as they come, but people disagree with me all the damn time. I don't ALWAYS agree with liberal shit. I'm still here and don't see a perm in my future. If you are reasonable in how you interact, and don't have some completely regressive views, and don't act like a complete asshole, you're good.

Deleted member 15326 · Aug 27, 2018

They always slip up eventually but since "civility" is more important than actually being right here they linger like farts

QuantumZebra said:
Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

Me personally I am a libertarian and very anti-government across the board except in a few respects. I get along just fine here.

Your friend is an idiot

QuantumZebra · Aug 27, 2018

Heromanz said:
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Labor said:
They always slip up eventually but since "civility" is more important than actually being right here they linger like farts

Your friend is an idiot

To each their own. He's definitely not an idiot.

TrumpTrain2020 · Aug 27, 2018

Naphu said:
How about the entire Unite the Right rally last year? Which you can't call unsavory because I heard there was very good people on both sides there. But anyways, it's less if you say it and it's more what policies you actually enact. Like, say, closing a bunch of voting centers only in black neighborhoods in Georgia which literally just happened.

I don't know anyone who participated in the Unite the Right rally, but yes, anyone expressing beliefs to that extent are those I would call unsavory and their views disgusting. Thankfully those that went to the rally to express their desire to exterminate a race are as few as they were, as well as the rally previously held weeks ago.

Regarding the voting centers, I have read 2 of the 9 proposed sites have closed. I don't know the logistics behind that but I do believe everyone should, again, have equality of opportunity. I also believe that election voting as a whole needs to be re-envisioned, but am aware of the costs associated with that.

beelzebozo · Aug 27, 2018

your friend's plan is flawless.

Heromanz · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
To each their own. He's definitely not an idiot.

Judge from your example he is. Like that's a really really really really dumb reason to vote for Trump especially for black man

Deleted member 15326 · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
To each their own. He's definitely not an idiot.

Then why did he do an extremely idiotic thing and is enjoying the outcome like an idiot

4859 · Aug 27, 2018

Labor said:
They always slip up eventually but since "civility" is more important than actually being right here they linger like farts

Yeah, 'absence of tension' definitely seems to be the main priority here.

Thats.....

Not going to end well.

GrooveCommand · Aug 27, 2018

Trump has revealed the true nature of the Republican party as racist, xenophobic, sexist, etc... it's pretty difficult for me to see how anybody can still call themselves a Republican yet separate themselves from Trump. Republican leadership has gone ALL-IN on Trump, so it's pretty much impossible to say that you support just about any Republican without supporting Trump by proxy.

Demolition_Human · Aug 27, 2018

Conservative? If they are not dicks, by all means let's chat.

Trumplican Party of racist, hateful pieces of crap? Door is to the left.

QuantumZebra · Aug 27, 2018

Labor said:
Then why did he do an extremely idiotic thing and is enjoying the outcome like an idiot

Heromanz said:
Judge from your example he is. Like that's a really really really really dumb reason to vote for Trump especially for black man

Just because you don't get his view doesn't make him an idiot.

Groove actually explained my friend's reasoning quite well:

GrooveCommand said:
Trump has revealed the true nature of the Republican party as racist, xenophobic, sexist, etc... it's pretty difficult for me to see how anybody can still call themselves a Republican yet separate themselves from Trump. Republican leadership has gone ALL-IN on Trump, so it's pretty much impossible to say that you support just about any Republican without supporting Trump by proxy.

Trump has changed the political landscape forever, outed all the basement Nazis, and is most likely going to destroy the GOP as we know it.

Deleted member 4274 · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

Me personally I am a libertarian and very anti-government across the board except in a few respects. I get along just fine here.

You're friend is quite the dumbass... and I don't believe him. He also sounds like a damn Hotep

H.Protagonist · Aug 27, 2018

Yes, they have a place. Absolutely. I think telling conservatives and Republicans that they are not welcome here just contributes to polarization and is a disservice to real discussion. Let anyone who comes stay or leave based on their behavior. As others have said, be prepared to engage and back up your views or bow out. The people who play games, make games, and want to talk about games are going to come from all sides. Let everyone be welcome until they show that they're not able to abide by the TOS.

Deleted member 15326 · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Just because you don't get his view doesn't make him an idiot.

Groove actually explained my friend's reasoning quite well:

Trump has changed the political landscape forever, outed all the basement Nazis, and is most likely going to destroy the GOP as we know it.

People who were paying attention at all already knew exactly what the GOP is and even now there are people dumb enough to defend them. Voting for Trump wasn't some revolutionary move, it was being a fucking idiot

Heromanz · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Just because you don't get his view doesn't make him an idiot.

Groove actually explained my friend's reasoning quite well:

Trump has changed the political landscape forever, outed all the basement Nazis, and is most likely going to destroy the GOP as we know it.

No no no, your friends views is easily understandable it's not rocket surgery. That doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.

Red Frost · Aug 27, 2018

I figured it was fine considering the existence of this thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservative-era-ot-the-flaming-starts-in-five-minutes.3859/

QuantumZebra · Aug 27, 2018

tatsu123 said:
You're friend is quite the dumbass... and I don't believe him. He also sounds like a damn Hotep

Heromanz said:
No no no, your friends views is easily understandable it's not rocket surgery. That doesn't mean it's not incredibly stupid.

Labor said:
People who were paying attention at all already knew exactly what the GOP is and even now there are people dumb enough to defend them. Voting for Trump wasn't some revolutionary move, it was being a fucking idiot

k

Deleted member 2317 · Aug 27, 2018

captmcblack said:
I mean...the same role as anyone else on this forum as long as they don't violate the TOS?

Unfortunately I must agree. Even if their policies are outright, flat out, vehemently actively harmful for a large number of people across the globe (lets not forget their constant xenophobic war mongering slaughtering hundreds or thousands depending on the year through various agency protocols) ((let alone the disenfranchised and working poor of the US)) I guess as long as these hypothetical Republicans don't post and create threads fostering obvious hate speech and harsh language, they gotta be accepted at the table when we're talking about Super Smash Brothers Ultimate or how great Bloodborne is.

Heromanz · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
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Don't get mad dude. You can't post something like that and not have people call your friend out for it

Playco Armboy · Aug 27, 2018

In these kinds of discussions the people dying on hills for their breed of centrism or 'non-Republican conservative views' and arguing they or others have been unfairly dogpiled for such really need to show us exactly what views they expressed that elicited a widespread vitriolic response

That would get to the bottom of things way faster than 'Era's too left!' then 'No, it's not, you're wrong!' ad nauseum

Metallix87 said:
This thread is literally the proof that should be cited whenever someone suggests that Era isn't too leftist.

I think people on here try their best to make a demonic monolith out of anyone who isn't more or less completely in agreement with their political views. Thus, there really is no place for opposition, as they get drowned out in condemnation and dog-piling.

Like this post for example.

Unless you have concrete examples, this discussion won't go far beyond mudslinging.

Stouffers · Aug 27, 2018

TheFuzz said:
I have voted both Republican and Democrat in US elections, never watch Fox News, despise Sean Hannity, and whenever I did vote Republican, I did so based on economic ideals, especially at the local level. Never voted for Trump and am overall pretty disgusted with the Republican Party and what it has become, I get by just fine.

I imagine I'm not the typical user since I don't necessarily identify as extremely liberal or progressive, but I think you can manage here as a "Republican" just fine as long as you have an open-mind and willfully acknowledge that 'your' party is a dumpster fire and is currently a disgusting representation of all that is wrong with this country.

Not to say democrats don't have their issues, they certainly do, but it's nowhere near close.

Ditto.

Brinksman · Aug 27, 2018

TarpitCarnivore said:
This statement makes no sense. Especially since they're pretty much synonymous at this point

Well, believe it or not, the Democrats are conservatives. Many of their policies make conservative parties beyond America look like saints. The Republicans are closer to some kind of warped terrorist regime whom nobody in their right mind should offer the time of day.

Heromanz · Aug 27, 2018

Red Frost said:
I figured it was fine considering the existence of this thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservative-era-ot-the-flaming-starts-in-five-minutes.3859/

Like half those dudes are banned

Deleted member 25108 · Aug 27, 2018

To serve as punching bags.

Zojirushi · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

So all the people he knew were gonna suffer from this were like what, necessary collateral for his grand scheme to out all the racists?

Deleted member 3897 · Aug 27, 2018

ERAs TOS is basically, in Jim Jefferies voice: don't be a cunt.

LosDaddie · Aug 27, 2018

As long as they don't violate the TOS, then conservatives are welcome on Era just like everybody else.

That is not to say that Era's (and GAF before it) doesn't have a known Left lean. It's up to the mod/admin team if they actually want discussion on their forum, or not. It was clear what the GAF team wanted.

Deleted member 15326 · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
k

The Republican Party has several prominent, long-time racists and Trump himself has been a documented anti-Black racist for at least 30 years but if your black friend thinks he "exposed" anything by giving Trump a hand then yes, he's an idiot.

Condolences

Sephzilla · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Lol... I mean saying its against the TOS to be Pro-Trump is kinda silly. My best friend (black dude) voted for Trump because he wanted him to bring all the racists out of hiding and show people how deep-seated and pervasive systemic and non-systemic racism is in this country... and Trump did it. He thinks the guy is a loudmouth and an idiot but he is loving seeing people's true colors come out.

Me personally I am a libertarian and very anti-government across the board except in a few respects. I get along just fine here.

this is really really dumb

4859 · Aug 27, 2018

fantomena said:
ERAs TOS is basically, in Jim Jefferies voice: don't be a cunt.

'Unless you can thinly disguise it in the most blatantly obvious and contrived ways.'

RedMercury · Aug 27, 2018

QuantumZebra said:
Just because you don't get his view doesn't make him an idiot.

No, making stupid choices does though

QuantumZebra said:
k

See, you aren't here for any sort of dialogue.

Mauricio_Magus · Aug 27, 2018

Just don't be a bigot and everything's fine.

It's not my fault that a lot of Conservatives are bigots.

What role and place do conservatives and Republicans have on this fourm?

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