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Mass shooting at Madden live event (Jacksonville, FL) Warning NSFW (READ OP) [Up: Suspect dead]
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For one, Bundy and his crew were not feuding with the local government. As you point out, (ironically right after you state it's about keeping local politicians in check) he was actually dealing with the feds.
But more importantly, they were fucking white and actually friends with the local law enforcement. If you really think that BLM would be better off arming their protests, then I don't know what to tell you. You're naive and should really look at the state of the country closer.
The US's world view is really something else. How are people able to completely and knowingly ignore all the shooting/violence reports and comparisons with other countries while still finding excuses to carry their precious guns in 2018.
First, "technically giving more power to the police". It's the point of the police being "given power" to act in the name of public law. Whether a specific law is needed or useful is a whole other discussion, same as proper qualification of police members. These are not problems you solve with "well, give everyone else guns, too!", but with sincere observation, reevaluation and reorganisation of police staff. This is a huge problem in the US, too, but it's not within the context of prevention of mass shootings and the question of gun legislation, if you want to have a real talk about it. If you own a rifle, how does this take away power from the police/the state, and if you don't, how does it give "them" more power, except in the context of literally killing police officers or making them unpredictably scared of the general populace, giving them more reason to shoot first, ask questions later, because anyone might be armed?
Banning everything but a pistol: Why do people keep making this weird assumption that rifles are bad, pistols are completely fine? Yes, you can technically kill even more people with a rifle, but yo, what kind of view on things is it to think "Pistols are fine, you can only kill about 5-6 people per minute with this"? Yes, if you ban rifles you should ban all guns. And yes, if you ban all guns, it wouldn't hurt to ban combat-class knives, swords and other deadly weapons that solely exist for killing and hurting either, especially but not limited to public areas and events. It's a thing other countries do, actually.
Checks for health, mental health, psychological issues should be the absolute MINIMUM, like the absolute basic groundwork for allowing deadly weapons in civilians' hands.
Given what happened in the last few years alone, I lost all hope the US will ever change this world view. Too many parties, finances, politics and private interests rest in standards hold up by the gun industry. People who could change something are quite literally too scared of backlash and/or too egoistical when it comes to their own, mostly financial interests to change anything. No politician would agree to "simply ban guns", and they'll have a shitton of excuses every single time, while essentially still saying "well I'd help if I could, but I don't wanna".
Then how come we got the patriot act, NSA mass surveillance, the militarization of the police and corporations gaining more and more power every day ? Face it, the 2nd amendment has done Jack shit to stop any of that.
My point is that you will never have a politician that is able to flick their fingers and ban all guns. The point of the push for banning rifles is that it is a huge first step. Our country is steeped in gun culture, we need to dig away at it slowly to make any sort of progress.
But why? Quite literally, what is stopping Congress to execute a gun ban right now, of not immense fear of voter loss, sponsoring loss and the seemingly more important role of "but it's always been like this"?
The only argument I can see trying to refute this would be one that asserts, somehow, America is a country of meritocracy.
And supposing it was, would people need guns to keep "politicians in check"? How on EARTH is that working when the average politician has been working against the wellbeing of the average person since the 70s? You have Republicans who have weaker views of humanism and compassion than literal members of ISIS.
Say it with me:
AMERICA ISN'T SPECIAL.
Other societies work just fine with sane gun laws. "American exceptionalism" is a cancer that is literally killing Americans.
AMERICA ISN'T SPECIAL.
Other societies work just fine with sane gun laws. "American exceptionalism" is a cancer that is literally killing Americans.
You seem like a real piece of work mate. What does that have to do with anything that is being discussed here?
Do you mention the religion of all the white men that go on shooting sprees across the US? Or only this one example?
Not even sure how that relates to Lebanon as I think only 54% of the population are Muslim so what is it you want to say?
This is a terrible event, wishing all those effected by this all the best.
As an Australian, it is still crazy to me how so many people think it is more important to have toys or deterrents for a unlikely government taking over than it is to save lifes now.
The members of Congress would never go for it. You need to change who's in power, and even then it could never be instantaneous. Trust me, I would love it to be as well
This is one of the major underlying issues of all America's problems.
I don't even I understand what the hell you are trying to pull here, especially when Libanon is a country that seperates religion from the state.
Edit: I still don't understand how the fuck that guy who shot up the bar in the US is supposed to be linked to Libanon.
Seeing that young man smiling and having a good time in that video has me choked up. An innocent life just gone for no reason. I cant even imagine what the family is going through. It makes me wish that video wasn't available to watch.
Yes, I actually do. Most of these mass shootings are done by white males, that one he mentioned wasn't so I made a distinction, especially since it directly correlated to the type of lgbtq hate you see in Lebanon.
Mooch seems shocked or surprised that someone from Lebanon dare critique people or policies in the US; as if only he or Americans are entitled to sit stop their pedestal and cast judgement on all nations.
Maybe we're gonna get his magnum opus and we'll all be shocked when he 'owns the libs' here and schools us on the Constitution.
Stop right here, first Mateen was from Afghanistan not Lebanon, second he didn't even know it was a gay bar, and he swore allegiance to ISIS, now unless Lebanon is run by ISIS hellbent on eradicating LGBT people I don't see how you can compare Lebanon to ISIS. Your entire correlation is bullshit, even tho Lebanon is an ME country it is vastly more open to LGBT people than the rest of the region, it is considered a hub for Arab LGBT tourism and our courts recently deemed same sex relations not illegal, but hey we share the same hate as ISIS.
You seem to be massively ill informed about my country to say the least.
You do realise that guns are useless against the government, yeah?
If they wanted to, you could be taken out in a drone strike before you could even pick up a gun or realise you're a target.
Rights are protected at the ballot box, not with an ammo box.
What kind of gun ban? A blanket ban on all guns? The 2nd Amendment is stopping that. It quite literally says " The right to bear arms shall not be infringed". The whole thing needs to be repealed and Congress alone can't do that. You need 3/4ths of all state houses across the country to repeal and we will never have that.
Apparently you have no clue what "pot calling the kettle black" means
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I have a feeling he is an alt. Low posts, only coming out to spew this bullshit.
This kind of whatbaboutism doesn't help, people being murdered because guns are freely available has nothing to do with homophobia by another countries governement.
Ah yes, Lebanon is a famous bastion for freedom of sexuality, my mistake
The bodies will never stop piling up in America, so long as the NRA exists and guns are legal.
for all of those who don't know the difference
I always thought it was the United States of America? What is the problem?
It also says "well regulated militia" but that part seems to be ignored.
He was comparing the society of both countries, you guys are acting like I pulled the comparison out of my ass
My, what a limited line of thinking you have.
Just because Lebanon might have issues doesn't mean they can't be critical of your policies. Lebanon is best place to go for gay people who doesn't want to go to Israel in the middle east. At the very least they are better than most countries for gay people in the area.
But of course, let's take away their credits because you feel they aren't good enough. The situation in Lebanon can only get better from here.
Isn't that 'the Americas' on the left? There is no America, there's North and South America.for all of those who don't know the difference
Saying America for the US seems very common.
You literally compared Lebanon which fought ISIS and suffered from horrific suicide car bomb attacks, has gay bars, women who can wear whatever the fuck they want, legal brothels and doesn't prosecute drug users to ISIS itself.
So yes I would say you're pulling info out your ass.
Never once did I compare them to ISIS, stop spewing literal lies
Yeah real sad that we have to talk about how to solve this gun issue...
Why else would you bring up the gay bar shooter when talking about Lebanon?
It depends, there is such thing as "America" in Spanish, Japanese, French, Italian, German, etc.:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/América
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アメリカ州
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amérique
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/America
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika
Actually, no one else uses "The Americas".
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You're insinuating that an ISIS affiliate killing 50+ shooting up a gay bar in Florida correlates to the type of LGBTQ hate you see in Lebanon, stop backpedaling.
He brought it up and I was replying. People still get arrested and targeted for being gay in Lebanon, the shooter in the bar had been seen there multiple times by staff before the incident, and clearly knew it was a gay bar. I lived in Orlando at the time.
That's not me saying that Lebanon is ISIS backed, I was comparing barbaric treatment of the lgbtq community, if you're fine with that treatment than fuck you
Well, literally people use The Americas, because I just did and I knew the term because I've heard others use it.