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GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lets put this way, among those PC players there are players who played hundreds of hours in the console version so in their minds they want to get through rank fast and the only way is through CB(or bow) hence the high rate of usage.

You can easily get the rathian CB which is the best early/mid until you get the diablos CB which is still the best CB in the game. Diablos CB can really make your hunts goes damn fast. Me and a few fellow console hunters have the exact train thoughts of progressing the game fast on PC.

I doubt so many console players double dipped on the PC version and all decided to use CB that it rocketed it into the top 5 used weapons. It's just a cool weapon to use apparently.

That doesn't explain the switch axe being so low though. I feel their kinda similar weapons at first glance, and chainsawing a monster in the head when your weapon is charged is a lot more satisfying than the CB super attack I would think. I guess keeping the charge and using it with SA is a lot harder though. I've been using it for 60+ hours and I'm only now starting to get that sweet sweet power phial damage consistently.

And I'm surprised great sword isn't lower. I feel a ton of people probably grabbed it as their starting weapon and dropped it with the quickness because of how slow it is. Andif you're not consistently hitting true charge than it's damage really isn't worth the hassle.
 

Deleted member 1594

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Oct 25, 2017
5,762
Fucking thought Bazelguese was an elder dragon. Arg. Killed him for no reason (I thought it would count towards a bounty). Boo hiss.
 

Igniz12

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would use ranged weapons more if there was the risk reward of old MH. Homogenizing the armor system makes me less likely to use any range weapons in World unless in specific farming circumstances.

Will any damage done to Nergigante's head cause his horns to eventually break, or does it need to be blunt damage?



Yeah I played CB in MH4U and just did not want to deal with learning phials/switching modes/guard points all over again, plus the frustration of building up phials then whiffing on the big hit. I've been played SnS this time, love being able to just consistently do damage, mount monsters, etc. Plus since it's so fast, it plays more like Dark Souls which I'm way more used to (small differences like roll cancels and a way smaller number of i-frames in rolls makes slower weapons take way longer for me to get used to in MH since I come from almost always doing slow/hard hitting builds like two-handed Zweihander in DS)
I use a paralyze CB because it makes me want to charge up the sword for faster proc and lets me do SAED without stress. Honestly I am not a fan of all that phials charging and switching myself; On top of being disruptive to the combat flow I also find the sword charging to be awkward to pull of in mid combat and more often then not I just empty swing to get what I need charged up rather then waiting for an opening mid combo. I guess I just need to practice the moveset a bit better.

Lets put this way, among those PC players there are players who played hundreds of hours in the console version so in their minds they want to get through rank fast and the only way is through CB(or bow) hence the high rate of usage.

You can easily get the rathian CB which is the best early/mid until you get the diablos CB which is still the best CB in the game. Diablos CB can really make your hunts goes damn fast. Me and a few fellow console hunters have the exact train thoughts of progressing the game fast on PC.
Hmmm, I guess this makes it more understandable why the CB is used more, Diablos is a fairly early monster and it makes it a no brainer if you want to blitz the main game. Frankly knowing this makes me want to use the CB less lol. Monsters already have so little HP and the last thing I want is to make fight go faster if I am not looking to rush the game.

I hope G-Rank ups variants total health and part health by 15% at least. I am constantly surprised how quickly tails come off in World.
 

Deleted member 36578

Dec 21, 2017
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My god what was capcom thinking with Baelgeuse. "hey lets have a super deadly asshole show up in everyzone to screw you over when you're fighting anything ever. Hope you pick up a lot of shit to put in your slinger!"

Oh, and he can be anywhere, at anytime. My favorite is him showing up in the fucking great jagras lair, underground. Yes, he flew in with his big ass wings clipping throw 20 feet of rock. Was the dumbest thing I had ever seen in my life.

Also Gun Lancer here, 3% is absolutely ridiculous. I guess the limited movement speed REALLY turns people off....

 

Pendas

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Oct 28, 2017
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I hope G-Rank ups variants total health and part health by 15% at least. I am constantly surprised how quickly tails come off in World.

Tails are like twigs in this game, I'm often surprised how easy they just snap off. I guess they want to make breaking multiple parts and farming for specific materials quicker. In past games you'd be lucky to get two breaks per run.
 
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texhnolyze

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Oct 25, 2017
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Indonesia
Seems like the modder Kaldaien will no longer update his Special K version of Monster Hunter World. :(
I am moving on to Shenmue I and II, I hope for your sake that Capcom eventually removes their unstable anti-debug code. I doubt they will, but it would earn some good will and set them apart from the other noteworthy developer (Square Enix) who is also selling you unstable software with poorly implemented code to prevent modification.
 

Defuser

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Oct 25, 2017
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I doubt so many console players double dipped on the PC version and all decided to use CB that it rocketed it into the top 5 used weapons. It's just a cool weapon to use apparently.

That doesn't explain the switch axe being so low though. I feel their kinda similar weapons at first glance, and chainsawing a monster in the head when your weapon is charged is a lot more satisfying than the CB super attack I would think. I guess keeping the charge and using it with SA is a lot harder though. I've been using it for 60+ hours and I'm only now starting to get that sweet sweet power phial damage consistently.

And I'm surprised great sword isn't lower. I feel a ton of people probably grabbed it as their starting weapon and dropped it with the quickness because of how slow it is. Andif you're not consistently hitting true charge than it's damage really isn't worth the hassle.
There are console players that double dipped and there are players who played MH4U and Gen. Doesn't change the fact Diablos CB has one of the fastest killing times conpared to other melee weapons hence people gravitate to it. A single SAED from diablos CB can easily hit for 800 damage and can easily hit another SAED immediately after the first one if you double charge the phials beforehand. SwitchAxe Zero Sum discharge is a risky move and in alot of situations against elder dragons and tempered monsters there not much chance, all it takes is 1 roar or attack to knock you off and waste your charge plus the fact you can't control your phial charging whereas CB users can.

Greatsword has always been a popular choice since the first game, there is more to it than just true charging, there is another playstyle where you have the crit draw skill and maximise damage snipe with the first charge, then you shealth and run until you get a chance snipe again. Plus the fact you have shoulder charge which acts a hyper armor, you can easily bulldoze most attacks and KO monsters and its used to cancel your first and second charge into a true charge immediately. Its actually more mobile than you think since it shealths faster than alot of weapons.
 

Defuser

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is "Tempered Kirin" a valid reason to ask for a Steam refund after 100+ hours?
If you are having trouble with Kirin with one weapon then switch to range or shield weapon. If tempered Kirin gives you trouble then wait till Arch Tempered Kirin comes out. Kirin is more or less a skill check for everybody.
 

Cels

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Oct 26, 2017
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just got the game for PC, having fun so far. almost ran out of time fighting that monster in the swamp.

how do i set a push-to-talk key for voice chat?
i don't want to turn off voice chat altogether, but i don't see a way to set a push to talk key. i don't like open mic.
 

Garou

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you are having trouble with Kirin with one weapon then switch to range or shield weapon. If tempered Kirin gives you trouble then wait till Arch Tempered Kirin comes out. Kirin is more or less a skill check for everybody.

I'm still under HR50, but are those Kirins harder than MH4U Max GuildQuest Kirin-subspecies?
 

Pyros Eien

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Oct 31, 2017
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I'm still under HR50, but are those Kirins harder than MH4U Max GuildQuest Kirin-subspecies?
There's Kirin LR/HR to do before the tempered if you want to check. Honestly it's not that bad imo if you take it slow.

His attacks are really easy to dodge as long as you don't use a bunch of slow moves when he's not tired/KO. Won't be beating speed kill records but if you take 20-25mins you can easily kill it without taking any damage, just wait for skill, hit once, sheath, wait for skill, hit once etc. If you eat for resists and end up with 20+ lightning, you can't get shocked either and take fairly minimal damage, slot some health on that too so you can't get one shot by anything. Can go in more agressively with thunder mantle+health booster up if needed. Palico on drums or rockets. If you don't think you can hit the head during his enrage mode, you just wait it out. Mostly he'll be spamming the lightning lines which are easy to avoid if you're doing nothing else.
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's Kirin LR/HR to do before the tempered if you want to check. Honestly it's not that bad imo if you take it slow.

His attacks are really easy to dodge as long as you don't use a bunch of slow moves when he's not tired/KO. Won't be beating speed kill records but if you take 20-25mins you can easily kill it without taking any damage, just wait for skill, hit once, sheath, wait for skill, hit once etc. If you eat for resists and end up with 20+ lightning, you can't get shocked either and take fairly minimal damage, slot some health on that too so you can't get one shot by anything. Can go in more agressively with thunder mantle+health booster up if needed. Palico on drums or rockets. If you don't think you can hit the head during his enrage mode, you just wait it out. Mostly he'll be spamming the lightning lines which are easy to avoid if you're doing nothing else.

"easy" is EXTREMELY subjective here
 

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was able to kill tempered Kirin on my PC playthrough in about ten minutes without getting hit, using the Anja bow. I would never fight Kirin with a melee weapon.
 

Deleted member 1839

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Hmm yeah, it's probably there somewhere. I've been neglecting optional quests since I finished the main story. I see no reason to finish them as investigations are far more worth it to do.

Some of them are really important though. For instance you're able to get additional mantles or improve botanical research so that you can cultivate more stuff which is good for ingredients.
 

Deleted member 46641

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Reposting this here

I'm replaying Monster Hunter World, but I fell off the groove for a weekend, and need a little help.

For reference of where I am, I have just unlocked my first 5 star mission (the one with Legiana), and am struggling to beat it (despite having already beaten this game on PS4).

What is the best hammer I can get at this point, and what armor synergizes the best? I'm second guessing every choice I'm making with how I spend my resources and would like a little guidance.
 

ReDelicious

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Oct 27, 2017
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My god what was capcom thinking with Baelgeuse. "hey lets have a super deadly asshole show up in everyzone to screw you over when you're fighting anything ever. Hope you pick up a lot of shit to put in your slinger!"

Oh, and he can be anywhere, at anytime. My favorite is him showing up in the fucking great jagras lair, underground. Yes, he flew in with his big ass wings clipping throw 20 feet of rock. Was the dumbest thing I had ever seen in my life.

Also Gun Lancer here, 3% is absolutely ridiculous. I guess the limited movement speed REALLY turns people off....

Don't forget also that even after you get him to run away, the monster your fighting will always try to run to the area he went to. Or at least they have every single time for me.

Bagelgoose would honestly be more interesting if he didn't show up so much. An actual surprise instead of just expecting him to be there every time.
 

Pyros Eien

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Oct 31, 2017
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"easy" is EXTREMELY subjective here
As I said, they're easy to dodge if you don't use slow moves so that you can dodge or run out of stuff when it hits. Basically, sheath your weapon, wait for him to do some lightning thing, hit him once, sheathe your weapon. He only has a few lightning attacks, one line in front of him(so never be in front of him, it's also multhit so if you block you need guard 3 and not the counter block on lance), one that does like 6hits in a row around him in a circle, this can be dodged by either getting close to him or by moving between the lightning, they hit at equal distance from each other in a circle around kirin, and then there's the big lightning on top of him which you definitely want to dodge but that has poor range. He also does the lines but these are simple enough.

All the attacks have some serious delay before the lightning hits and before he starts another move, so you can easily get a single hit in, as long as it isn't a super slow move like SAED or true slash charge or whatever. When he enrages, you can simply not attack him for ~2mins until he's done, just focus on dodging, superman dive anything that looks remotely dangerous, always move in circles around him so you're never in front.

If you play really safe, not "I'm going to try to dodge this stuff inbetween attacks and unleash my full combos on him and oh I'm dead now", he's very simple because the hitboxes of his attacks are small and they're not fast, or surprising. Really just spend a couple of minutes not actually attacking and observing his attacks and you'll see what I mean, he basically can't hit you if you're just running around(even when not sprinting). He has fairly low health so you don't need big damage, it's only challenging when he's on a 15mins timer for an investigation. Obviously for farming him, you'll want to play more agressive since you don't want to spend 30mins every kill, but for the quest first time it's good to take your time and get comfortable with the fight.
 

Rappy

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Oct 28, 2017
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You should have a quest in your optionals somewhere for a Kirin

Hmm yeah, it's probably there somewhere. I've been neglecting optional quests since I finished the main story. I see no reason to finish them as investigations are far more worth it to do.
It doesn't just magically appear there.
 

GLHFGodbless

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Oct 27, 2017
1,285
Reposting this here

I'm replaying Monster Hunter World, but I fell off the groove for a weekend, and need a little help.

For reference of where I am, I have just unlocked my first 5 star mission (the one with Legiana), and am struggling to beat it (despite having already beaten this game on PS4).

What is the best hammer I can get at this point, and what armor synergizes the best? I'm second guessing every choice I'm making with how I spend my resources and would like a little guidance.


There's really no point worrying about low rank armor. Or materials for that matter. Just make what best for the situation, anything with good ice resist will work for legiana. And bring flash pods of course...
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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As I said, they're easy to dodge if you don't use slow moves so that you can dodge or run out of stuff when it hits. Basically, sheath your weapon, wait for him to do some lightning thing, hit him once, sheathe your weapon. He only has a few lightning attacks, one line in front of him(so never be in front of him, it's also multhit so if you block you need guard 3 and not the counter block on lance), one that does like 6hits in a row around him in a circle, this can be dodged by either getting close to him or by moving between the lightning, they hit at equal distance from each other in a circle around kirin, and then there's the big lightning on top of him which you definitely want to dodge but that has poor range. He also does the lines but these are simple enough.

All the attacks have some serious delay before the lightning hits and before he starts another move, so you can easily get a single hit in, as long as it isn't a super slow move like SAED or true slash charge or whatever. When he enrages, you can simply not attack him for ~2mins until he's done, just focus on dodging, superman dive anything that looks remotely dangerous, always move in circles around him so you're never in front.

If you play really safe, not "I'm going to try to dodge this stuff inbetween attacks and unleash my full combos on him and oh I'm dead now", he's very simple because the hitboxes of his attacks are small and they're not fast, or surprising. Really just spend a couple of minutes not actually attacking and observing his attacks and you'll see what I mean, he basically can't hit you if you're just running around(even when not sprinting). He has fairly low health so you don't need big damage, it's only challenging when he's on a 15mins timer for an investigation. Obviously for farming him, you'll want to play more agressive since you don't want to spend 30mins every kill, but for the quest first time it's good to take your time and get comfortable with the fight.
*deep sigh* I didn't want to poke it to death over the span of a millenia, but here goes
 

ins1

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Jul 25, 2018
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Nergigante is dead. As dead, as my overconfidence lol. Hello to my very first (solo) "Quest failed" screen. And I was even bold enough to use a voucher, and to gulp ancient potions like there was no tomorrow. Still, no reason to be upset, because on the second try I carved gem from his tail and killed him with just one cart.

Also hello to all fellow lance mains. I knew, that I'm not like the others, that I'm SPECIAL! Now charging with lance, outrunning all the weebs and tripping them up along the way, feels even better.
 
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Anyone struggling with any incarnation of Kirin really needs to take the opportunity to tailor their gear specifically for that fight. Stack that lightning res as high as it will go or get obliterated.
 

Kaguya

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Jun 19, 2018
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I was able to kill tempered Kirin on my PC playthrough in about ten minutes without getting hit, using the Anja bow. I would never fight Kirin with a melee weapon.
It's very safe and easy with GS too, since 90% of the fight you'd be running around with your weapon sheathed. By the time rocksteady and thunder resistance mantles are done, he'd start limping if you go for a DPS build.
 

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's very safe and easy with GS too, since 90% of the fight you'd be running around with your weapon sheathed. By the time rocksteady and thunder resistance mantles are done, he'd start limping if you go for a DPS build.

Yeah, when I was a greatsword main in older games I would eat Kirin for breakfast.
 

Trickster

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Oct 25, 2017
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I was able to kill tempered Kirin on my PC playthrough in about ten minutes without getting hit, using the Anja bow. I would never fight Kirin with a melee weapon.

I found tempered Kirin surprisingly easy with a Greatsword. Cleared the HR49 mission on first try in about 20 minutes. You basically get a free guaranteed hit on Kirin's head whenever it stops to charge up some lightning attack. And if you just put on some lightning resist armor it allows you to take a lot of risk in the fight.
 

Kuosi

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Oct 30, 2017
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I found tempered Kirin surprisingly easy with a Greatsword. Cleared the HR49 mission on first try in about 20 minutes. You basically get a free guaranteed hit on Kirin's head whenever it stops to charge up some lightning attack. And if you just put on some lightning resist armor it allows you to take a lot of risk in the fight.
lighting res and 3 vitality decos, then clear the status with nulberry if you get hit by some, max safe wins the day
 

Dijital_Majik

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Oct 27, 2017
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The new music, and remixes in this game are phenomenal. The Nergigante theme especially, has become an instant classic for me, easily up there with Kushala and Zinogre. I love its 60s big band feel, and can't get the comparison with the 60s Star Trek fight music out of my head when I hear it.

edit: can't forget Bagelgoose and Rotten Vale themes as well


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Kaguya

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I'm still under HR50, but are those Kirins harder than MH4U Max GuildQuest Kirin-subspecies?
For T-Kirin, no, but it's a heavy armor checks, you wont survive 1 hit without a proper armor, but nothing that's really hard to avoid. For Arch Tempered, it's like going against G-Rank with HR armor, + some bullshit that's entirely new MH like unavoidable damage over time stuff. True nonsense though is Extreme Behemoth, unlike anything in MH before, playing it with randoms is like going through a Destiny raid without live chat. Spent a whole day trying it with randoms without a single kill, lol.
 

Alrus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Belgium
Got to the end credit in a bit less than 70 hours, the last monster wasn't very fun to fight (it wasn't hard, just quite long and pretty boring).

Vaal Hazak has the be one of the easiest Elder Dragon to fight against, he's super slow and most of his attacks have a long windup so you have all the time to react.

Overall the only dragon to really give me any sort of trouble was Teostra and at the end when he tries to fly away you can pretty much perma stunlock him with flash bomb and just wail on him until he's dead.

The Bow in this game feels so much smoother and pleasant to use (the charge slide that remembers your aim is amazing), not having to worry about the type of charge shots when picking a bow is a nice plus too.
 

softtack

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Oct 27, 2017
5,650
I don't care what anyone says.. Earplugs 5 is Mandatory in every build I make. Not only can you get off an entire round of attacks during the roar and avoid taking fatal damage, the 3-4 second interruption in gameplay where you might as well put you controller down is a horrible mechanic for an action game and is frustrating.
I've tried incorporating earplugs into my loadout and it's def worth the effort. The window you gain is massive.
 

Scything

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Oct 25, 2017
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Long Gunlance also makes even Arch Kirin insanely easy, if you're okay with using the weapon. The range on charged shells is huge to the point where you can usually hit him out of range of half his attacks, you can dodge cancel out of it and raise your shield if you pick a bad time and you can block everything except his MMO boss lines.
 

Lakeside

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Oct 25, 2017
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I rolled the credits in the 30 something hour mark. I didn't take too many detours, except to farm the Nerg gear and a couple weapons. Now I'm going back to fill in optional quests for items, the farm, etc.
 

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So after forging different weapons with elemental damage I've found them to be generally underwhelming.
Should I just focus on raw damage?
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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So after forging different weapons with elemental damage I've found them to be generally underwhelming.
Should I just focus on raw damage?

It honestly depends on the weapon type. If you're using a slower, heavier hitting weapon, then going raw damage is a good idea. But if you're using something faster such as a sns or the dual blades, then elemental builds are really good.
 

Bladelaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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So after forging different weapons with elemental damage I've found them to be generally underwhelming.
Should I just focus on raw damage?
Really depends on your decorations and armor availability. Elemental damage is good on things that hit fast against a creature that's weak to that element. A fun test I ran when determining how "worth it" it was to build for elemental weakness vs pure raw damage. It's not the most scientific test but I ran Vaal Hazak with the Rathalos Charge Blade and the Diablos Charge Blade 5 times each and timed the results. Gear was to maximize the damage for both options (Elementless on Diablos for example...I wasn't going to try and even out affinity, raw, or other values). Over 10 runs (5 each) the Rathalos charge blade won out on average by a minute.

Point being elemental weapons are competitive with raw weapons especially if you can take advantage of a monster's weakness. For all-purpose hunting raw is probably the way to go especially if you have access to the Elementless deco. Once you have a baseline set to work with it's fun to branch out to try different weapon designs and building complimentary armor sets.
 

ezodagrom

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Oct 25, 2017
864
Portugal
Having fun with the game so far, just reached early high rank during the weekend (that Bazelgeuse stalker though), just had what was probably my best reward screen so far a bit ago, photobombing Palico. :D

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