I mean, you have no idea whether or not these posters ARE doing the things you seem to be demanding they do. So all you're really doing is whining about people criticizing politicians.
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I mean, you have no idea whether or not these posters ARE doing the things you seem to be demanding they do. So all you're really doing is whining about people criticizing politicians.
I read about his capture for the first time, Jesus.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account
Except I am ASKING. Instead of answering they are deflecting to "personal attacks". I've been around long enough to know when someone won't answer questions and instead deflects or nit picks posts they are not being genuine.
Because it really isn't your place to know. You can't go and say "it's fine to criticize politicians" and then demand people show proof of actually doing something the moment they start doing so. It comes across as trying to deflect from the criticism by personally attacking the person doing the criticizing. Whining about keyboard warriors on a fucking forum.
Hell, this all started because you started complaining that a "Canadian" was whining about US politics. That's literally a personal attack on them, as if this forum belongs to America and only Americans gets to discuss things about America.
That doesn't really square with
but let's give you the benefit of the doubt. Now what? If it's perfectly fine to criticise politicians without having personally volunteered for political campaigns in a foreign country then what was your point? Why this throw-down and challenge to posters?
Where is my demand of proof? That is something you are crafting out of thin air.
I'm asking a mother fucking question that nobody will answer.
Because as a volunteer myself I am interested in having as many people possible help the cause and join me. I want more than anything to win and get GOP members like McCain out of office. Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt because every post I've made about politics on Restera is with the above mentioned goal in mind. It's a giant part of my life and has been for decades.
Come on. You are literally demanding they prove how worthy they are before they're allowed to criticize a politician because they're from another country. Get over yourself.
Not really asking for proof though, is he. Like he said, he asked the question.
You decided to challenge a poster instead of their arguments, which is predicated on you asking "what about AOC though?"
You asked someone from outside the US what they've done to improve US politics. You knew what your answer was and deliberately crafted the question in that way to elicit an off topic response in your favor.
Your behavior has been needlessly aggressive.
Where? Please show me where I am demanding someone volunteer before posting. Show me.
Just like any politician. I always look at politicians in this aspect. If the pros outweigh the cons.
I made it through the whole day without advocating for war, defending Henry Kissinger, fighting against LGBT rights, cheating on my wife or joking about bombing civilians.
You can send me my medal, PM me for my address
You can send me my medal, PM me for my address
I literally quoted your exact post, railing on someone to show what THEY are doing, as a CANADIAN living in CANADA, to help on-the-ground US politics, and complaining about them being a keyboard warrior when they don't immediately answer you.
Like I get it, you don't seem to like foreigners criticizing your country or it's politics.
They literally pointed out that McCain's last act was to ensure that people did not get a chance to vote on his successor, essentially ensuring that a trump loyalist would replace him, and your response is to complain about them being canadian. That was a literal personal attack.
Point to me where Resetera or this thread has a "US Members Only Please" sign on it.
Only when you die, and judging by your avatar, that'll be a minute.
Same, I'd prefer mine is sent First Class, don't have time to wait around.
Hats of to the Maverick. I've always admired the way he defended Obama during the campaign trail.
Its not cruel its just really no class when people come into a thread to do nothing bur spout
"rest in peace but fuck him" basically.
Granted most of those people got banned
He is not the only person that voted, he did not target people intentionally in war, that's not how war works.
If you have no respect to give why bother coming in this thread when there is whole other thread you can do that in? It's like people want to antagonize on purpose.
This is amazing...
John McCain favorability ratings by party via Fox News poll -->
Democrats:
60% favorable
29% unfavorable
Republicans:
41% favorable
48% unfavorable
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1033053685830623233
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1033727826493624321
John McCain favorability ratings by party via Fox News poll -->
Democrats:
60% favorable
29% unfavorable
Republicans:
41% favorable
48% unfavorable
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1033053685830623233
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1033727826493624321
So you don't believe online activism is worthwhile? That's funny seeing as how the alt-right was almost entirely cultivated through online movements.
I've seen multiple "I am not influenced by what I digest" posts around here. It's baffling.
Yes and when they get offline and into live situations, they run into tons of trouble. They've also unwittingly assisted in paralyzing the party they attached themselves to, while publicly exposing its worst elements.
It's certainly been effective, but for all the wrong reasons.
I have no doubt that Trump will soon be spouting QAnon bullshit.
This is amazing...
John McCain favorability ratings by party via Fox News poll -->
Democrats:
60% favorable
29% unfavorable
Republicans:
41% favorable
48% unfavorable
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1033053685830623233
https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1033727826493624321
Those statistics are extremely embarrassing for Democrats and that picture is such bullshit as if it's cool to serve imperialism and be a trained killer.
Not gonna defend the guy, he had plenty of horrible policy positions that i adamantly hated that affected countless others. But he's not the worst of the bunch by far, and he's still a guy who has suffered and died like everyone else. Celebrating people's deaths isnt my style, even if i wont defend their life decisions.
Its as simple as saying "condolences to his family for their loss"
If the end, you can pretty much tar and feather any politician of any political stripe because they all hold someone's life in their hands with their decisions.
He never gave condolences for the millions of families he bombed by supporting wars in the Middle East
Understandable, but "celebrating people's deaths" is not the same as trying keep people from whitewashing someone's history just because they've passed on. The dude did countless horrific things that helped leave the world worse off than he found it and ignoring that will do further damage. Most of the pushback that's been seen is in response to the insane wave of ahistorical retrospectives about his life and contributions... if those hadn't existed, most people would be moving on.
You can't reason with people comparing McCain to Osama bin Laden
I don't think anybody would have a problem if you said just that.
It's this revisionist history that people are taking issue with.
While your correct...that's pretty much a slippery slope. That means i would not be able to give condolence to Obama on his deathbed, who people seem to like, because of his direct contributions to the destabilization of multiple middle eastern countries as well as the President. BUt that's not all there is to it is there?
Can't reason with those calling him a hero.
Exactly.
I mean, isnt celebrating Mccain a "war hero" a subjective thing? He did get captured, and he did display(what some would consider)heroic tendencies when he was captured, completely disassociated with his congressional record on supporting the military state. It doesnt mean people who call him that necessarily think hes some great guy who is a saint, but a flawed person who had some merit as a human being at some points and affected others positively during his life.
I have no opinion on the "war hero" vs "not war hero" thing. But that's my understanding of the logic people who call him a war hero display.
Mmkay. How about the families adversely affected by his support of Trump's tax cuts which disabled the individual mandate of the ACA, thus guaranteeing people die in the country he "served"?
So Obama, Clinton, John Lewis, Jesse Jackson, Justin Trudeau, etc, got it.
These times really do show how Era can be so completely out of touch.
I'm disappointed in them, to say the least. I understand why they'd say it but meh..
100% disagree with them.
"Out of touch", the fucking gall..
Agreed.
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No man who stood against gay rights, women's rights, and black rights can be called a hero.
I'm disappointed in them, to say the least. I understand why they'd say it but meh..
100% disagree with them.
You go out into the real world and people seldom dispute that.
I'm disappointed in them, to say the least. I understand why they'd say it but meh..
100% disagree with them.
One aspect of politician's job is to appeal to their constituentcy as much as possible. Platitudes come with the turf.
Disagree with them all if you want, but you're fooling yourself if you really think these people don't have the same sentiments off the record.
The only activism you have offered is "work on a campaign", there are many more ways to be an activist. And, you still haven't responded to this:
Or this:
I dont want to make this about specific policy, because if we're talking tax cuts and the ACA, that's another can of fish which puts pretty much everyone in government at fault, not a specific individuals vote.
My main point is this....you dont have to defend all of a person's actions in life. But acknowledging that some people may find positive merit in certain actions of a person during their life enough to remember them fondly, even if they have a stained record is valid.
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