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FancyPants

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Nov 1, 2017
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It's still too early to say. Fortnite is definitely burning a bit hotter than Minecraft ever did, but does it have the longevity? We'll just have to see.

Minecraft is also bigger in the east than Fortnite is I think, which is primarily a western thing. PUBG is still king in countries like China, and has what? Three times the install base?
 

Cokie Bear

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If Fortnite sticks around I fully expect it to develop a merchandise presence. If you can describe a game's peak as "back in the day," it doesn't have the staying power of Minecraft.

Call Of Duty still sells millions each year. It's not a zeitgeist anymore but it clearly has staying power. Like, most games don't sell in their lifetime what CoD sells annually.

Where's the FIFA merchandise? Does it also not have staying power?
Fifa is probably a bad example since it actually exists outside video games but you know what I mean. There's very little to none FIFA the video game merchandise on sale in shops.
 
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MOTHGOD

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Dec 8, 2017
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Who knows. In terms of popularity yeah its either there or getting there already. In terms of fading from popularity in a few years, yeah fads come and go.

But for all we know because it has the added bonus of being an online multiplayer game with gameplay that could be changed in the future it has the prospects of having an even more popular sequel in the future. Or it could become an entirely different beast the like of which has yet to be seen in gaming.
Or it could just be the new Minecraft.
 

deepFlaw

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I don't think it'll last quite as long, given that it's so dependent on having an active playerbase, but it's up there.
 

Agent 47

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My girlfriend saw Fall Out Boy at Leeds Festival last night and they had a Fortnite themed stage for a song with gameplay playing in the background.

Fortnite has already become as big as Minecraft.
 

jroc74

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah I see so many kids doing the dances. It's incredible to think they are doing them because of Fortnite.

Minecraft is cool, but like in that thread about most played games on XBO, Roblox was ahead of Minecraft. There is so much more to do with Roblox vs Minecraft.

Minecraft is a phenomenon, no doubt. I just think it's easy to get bored with it. Fortnite has a chance to be just as big. Agree with the posts saying Fortnite is popping up here n there, referenced in other areas. That's huge.

Minecraft is quietly holding it's spot down, just looking at download and sales charts. Fortnite is just more visible right now.
 
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travisbickle

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm going on a limb here and say Fortnite will eventually be replaced by the next big thing. Unlike Minecraft, which I think its just a plarform that's just here to stay. As ironic as it may sound, I think it's weird to merchandise Fortnite. It just feels like there's nothing that really stands out to make tshirts, toys and plushies.


Nothing stands out in Fortnite?


Game's going to maintain dominance when they put "save the world" f2p. Think it'll keep growing well into the PS5 launch. I'll say 2021 Fortnite will still be mega popular.
 

ffvorax

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Another super famous and successful game that I will never try? yeah probably ... That Said i see minecraft much more diverse for what i know ,so i dont think so
 

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Kinda nuts that their initial intention was to capitalize on the Minecraft craze and ended up becoming just as popular after half a decade of poking at different genres.
 

Kurdel

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Another super famous and successful game that I will never try? yeah probably ... That Said i see minecraft much more diverse for what i know ,so i dont think so

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DeathyG

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Nobody has ever asked me if I play Minecraft.

Meanwhile, I've lost count on how many have asked me if I played Fortnite. Its popularity is unmatched.
 

Kyougar

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Nobody has ever asked me if I play Minecraft.

Meanwhile, I've lost count on how many have asked me if I played Fortnite. Its popularity is unmatched.


Are you an adult? it is one thing to ask an adult if they are playing Fortnite. Another thing, if they play Minecraft.

Not that adults don't play Minecraft, I played it since Alpha and still play some modpacks every then and now. And most Minecraft Streamers are adults with adult viewers. BUT! It is still seen as a primary kids game
 

Legacy

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The Floss dance was in popular culture before Minecraft. Here's a very mainstream article about it's origins that doesn't mention Fortnite once. In May 2017 (six months before Fortnite BR released), the creator of the dance was invited onto Saturday Night Live to perform the dance alongside Katy Perry. That video has 49 million views and is the top video on YouTube searches for the dance.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/04/18/floss-dance-created-everyone-7476359/

I know the origin but Fortnite has made it more popular, more people started doing when it was available in the game.
 

ghostcrew

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There are Fornite mods for Minecraft.

To be fair there's been Battle Royale/Hunger Games mods for Minecraft loooooong before PUBG or Fortnite came out. I wouldn't doubt that people have reskinned them to be more Fortnite-like but they've been around for years and years. I remember seeing a whole section of EGX 2013 full of computers and people queuing to play Battle Royale Minecraft.
 

Doskoi Panda

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2018 and enthusiast gamer circles still don't exactly get how big Minecraft really is. That shit never changes.

I feel like I'm in bizarro world with so many replies downplaying Minecraft.

And it's almost all based on anecdotes. It'd feel weird if I hadn't already seen threads where people in this very community suggested that games like any given year's Call of Duty, or friggin' Madden, were bigger than Minecraft, too. It's like folks just assume Minecraft isn't especially relevant because Minecraft isn't relevant to them personally as adults. Making it clear that they don't pay much mind to stuff like data relating to Minecraft's actual success and popularity.
 
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Ploid 6.0

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Oct 25, 2017
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My nine-year old brother and his peers are obsessed with both, though even young children crave single-player silence and creativity, so Fortnite feels more like a supplement to Minecraft while also being the new Minecraft.
I wish my nephew and his friends were that way. Minecraft was only multiplayer for him, then Overwatch, and now it's all Fortnite mp. I got him some awesome single player games but they couldn't hold his interest. I'm not a fan of kids online, especially voice chat.
 
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Doskoi Panda

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Whoa, what the heck. I'll wait until I get home to fix it.
Honestly, that's just hilarious, the ways these predictive text keyboards can fuck up. I've got an Essential PH1 and its inbuilt Android keyboard has been fucking up in the worst possible way.

Check this out. If I misspell a word, the predictive text will fix it to the right word by... appending half of the word (spelled correctly) to the beginning of my misspelled word.

So if I accidentally wrote 'aboslutely'

my phone would automatically change it to 'absoluaboslutely' when I hit the space bar, or if I press 'absolutely' spelled correctly in the predictive text bar above the keyboard. It's the absolute fucking worst! I'd much rather have the problem you just had, lol.
 

Parenegade

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Oct 25, 2017
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One thing I keep hearing from people -- and I've said it myself a time or two, before I actually started playing Fortnite -- is that Fornite will eventually "die out." I used to think that because 1) I hadn't played the game, and 2) I think we're all kind of conditioned to believe that that is the life cycle for games these days, sans a particular few (League of Legends, World of Warcraft, etc.).

After having an extensive playtime since I started mid-season 4, I've come to learn a *ton* about the game, grinding up to the point where I have about 35 wins to my name (and my team, when I play with them). And what I've learned is this:

First, Fortnite is insanely addictive. I don't think I've played a game that is so intrinsically fun; hours upon hours can pass without even registering it. Secondly, it's insanely deep; I've jumped through a lot of hoops to learn how to play, and even further still to learn how to play well. The building in this game is, well, game-changing. I think it's what has set it apart from the other Battle Royale games, and I think it's what will make the game stick around when others die out, but more on that later. Finally, the game is supported in a way that only Riot and Blizzard compete with; the attention to updates, balance changes and new content is insane.

So I think Fortnite gets to join the ranks of those games. It's going to be around for a very, very long time, and it's no longer just a BR game -- those *do* come and go. Fortnite is nearly a genre unto itself; a behemoth of a game that has enticed so many to play it, but beyond that so many to just *know* about it. It's an event, and I think it'll stick. The idea that it's another Minecraft... well, it's another World of Warcraft. Or League of Legends. It's a huge game, it's not going away, and it will continue to crush any direct competitors as they arrive assuming those games aren't offering anything truly new.

And Fortnite is just getting started. Minecraft, et. al., have been around for a very long time. Fortnite has come out of the gate and in a year established itself as one of the biggest things ever in videogames. If Epic continues to evolve the space, re-envisions the STW component for people who just can't get behind the BR stuff, makes it free and keeps everything free, I just don't see Fortnite going away. I think it'll just always be a thing, very much like these other games. I could be wrong, of course, who knows, maybe Battlefield or CoD comes out with BR and in a night it all falls apart. But while it's certainly possible, I am firmly in the "This thing is sticking around for a *long* time" camp.


This. People who think Fortnite is going to die soon are usually ignorant of what Fortnite even is. It has one the highest skill gaps of any game I've ever played and yet it also appeals to young people as well. That's insane. It also has had probably the best development path (post BR) of any game I've ever seen as well. Combine that with everything else there's no reason for it to fall off.

Most games that blow up don't have all those things. They're either lacking depth, lack updates, lacking content, lacking something. Fortnite basically has it all. And on top of everything it has unique gameplay that no one else has ever done.
 

Saint-14

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What are you even talking about?

Yes, many people seem uneducated on the matter that these popular Fortnite dances are from other celebrities, pop culture and memes. Going by the other thread Chance the Rapper thread where people wished Epic would credit the original artists, there were many people who simply thought Epic made these up themselves and also a large amount of people saying Epic should reap all the benefits since they're the ones programming the game. Many have been very hostile on the matter, which is quite baffling. Yes, Epic is definetely popularizing these even more, but that is besides the original point at hand.

I see I struck a nerve because you seem to be of the same opinion. Instead of calling people "pathetic" randomly, you should do more research before contributing to a topic.
No one gave a fuck about those dances before Fortnite , anyone who argues otherwise is being disingenuous.

You're one of the shittiest posters on this forum though, you can't even argue like normal people and tend to attack others instead.
 

Doskoi Panda

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I play it and don't even like the heavy reliance on building mid-gunfight.
I don't play Fortnite much anymore.

They'd probably have me dropping in at least once every single day if they put out a side mode without building.
And that, in turn, would probably have me messing with normal ol' Fortnite BR more often too, as a palate cleanser for when I'm fresh off of a few back-to-back rounds of Shootnite.

There's still quite a bit of room for Fortnite to grow, yet.



(if there's ever a limited building mode, it had better be called Fightnite)
 

$10 Bagel

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Minecraft has been huge for a decade and it's still one of the most played games and still consistently a top seller

Fortnite hasn't even been out a year.
 

Liliana

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No one gave a fuck about those dances before Fortnite , anyone who argues otherwise is being disingenuous.

You're one of the shittiest posters on this forum though, you can't even argue like normal people and tend to attack others instead.

What an ironic shitpost. You seem so full of anger you don't realize that, while literally lying, you're contradicting your own statements with massive hypocrisy.

I'm one of the "shittiest posters on this forum" (uh, okayjan.gif) and "can't even argue like normal people and tend to attack others instead" when:

  1. You quoted me out of nowhere and called me pathetic, and are now saying I am a shitty poster with no other disputive discourse proving you are the one that chooses to "attack instead."
  2. Your argument is literally "No one gave a fuck about those dances before Fortnite , anyone who argues otherwise is..." This is a verbatim copy and paste. Can't even make it up.
  3. I can literally link and post probably around 5 times aside from this thread where you either randomly quote me and attempt to instigate an argument and/or shitpost, usually a drive-by where you don't come back after me and/or other posters call you out. You seemingly have a grudge from an old quarrel (I can also link) which seems to be the root of your weird anger issue. Not really healthy, bud.
But sure, choose to insult me instead. Stay classy.

Edit: sorry mods, didn't see he was banned while writing.
 

ghostcrew

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Dude chose 'Fortnite dances' as his hill to die on.

It's serious stuff.
 

Ploid 6.0

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I was just watching the kids react to Snoop Dogg video. You can guess what happened during one particular video hah. "Omg, Fortnite!"
 

HelloItsPulse

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I'd say that Fortnite is more popular than Minecraft right now, but Minecraft is also nearly 10 years old, and it's biggest years (in terms of cultural importance) were 4-5 years ago.

Look at PlayerUnknown's Battleground though, it was poised to be the biggest game on the planet at one point until Epic decided to add Battle Royale to Fortnite. The same thing could happen again and Call of Duty Blackout or even another unknown Battle Royale game could come and knock it down.

If Fortnite can survive that, then I have no doubt that it will become "the next minecraft."
 

Xeontech

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Once they release the world saving/terrain manipulation tools and options, it's already there.

My kids dropped Minecraft for it even tho their creations only last for an hour. Their friends pick it up within seconds without ever having played before.

It's incredible to watch the transition.
 

Red

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Call Of Duty still sells millions each year. It's not a zeitgeist anymore but it clearly has staying power. Like, most games don't sell in their lifetime what CoD sells annually.

Where's the FIFA merchandise? Does it also not have staying power?
Fifa is probably a bad example since it actually exists outside video games but you know what I mean. There's very little to none FIFA the video game merchandise on sale in shops.
Fortnite is clearly a cultural moment, but there is a period after which things become part of the culture rather than a blip in history. I'm not arguing that Fortnite is a fad. It's clearly successful. But Minecraft was more than a moment. Fortnite has yet to prove that for itself. It very well may. Time will tell.
 

Cokie Bear

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I'm intrigued about this. They've gotta do it... this Christmas would make sense. If there isn't a Battle Bus and a Tomato Town playset then they've fucked it right up.

I guarantee you they release none of that and still make a butt load of money. The majority of people playing Fortnite don't want to play with a tomato town playset.
 

ghostcrew

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I guarantee you they release none of that and still make a butt load of money. The majority of people playing Fortnite don't want to play with a tomato town playset.

But if we're talking about games being a cultural anomaly (like Minecraft has), it's about more than people playing the videogame. I've said this a bunch of times in the thread but my nephews (3 and 6) will tell you love Fortnite and do 'the Fortnite dances' but they've never played it. They don't own a console that can play it. They've just seen stupid clips on YouTube of dances and memes. That's your wider audience that goes beyond the x amount of people who are playing Fortnite on Switch/PC/etc.

They can absolutely rely solely on Battle Passes and microtransactions and make more money than they know what to do with. But to continue pushing Fortnite towards Minecraft levels of success/market penetration they need to spread it. Walmart/Asda needs to be chocked full of Fortnite costumes/toys/clothes. You need Fortnite pencil cases and they need a FortniteCon and spin off games. I think this is most peoples argument in the thread who are saying that, no, Fortnite isn't as big as Minecraft yet. It's a really big videogame. But it's not omnipresent yet.
 

NESpowerhouse

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OP can confirm. Worked at a tech camp all summer with kids. A lot of them were addicted to Fortnite. We even offered a "Fortnite level design" class (in reality, it was just a glorified UE4 level creation class).
 

Wulfric

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is exactly the way I see Fortnite. My son is 10, and is absolutely addicted to Fortnite right now. When he was between 6-9 years old he was playing Minecraft like a maniac all day long. Now, I have a 14 year old nephew who, even though he also plays Fortnite, also plays Overwatch and COD.

So the way I see it, kids there days go through game phases depending on their age.

2-5 years: casual tablet/phone games
6-8 years: Minecraft/Roblox/more complex portable games (3DS, etc)
9-13 years: Fortnite, Nintendo Switch
14-17 years: COD, FIFA, NBA 2k

This is based on watching my nephews, nieces and my son and his friends and their gaming patterns through the last 2-3 years.

What about Hearthstone? I'm curious if that's a thing among younger gamers.