I believe he regretted picking Palin. Still doesn't change the fact though
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John McCain has died at age 81 (READ OP)
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Yeah... even so, he wouldn't have regretted that decision if it had gotten him the presidency, he only regretted it after it blew up in his face AND had "unforseen" consequences that most other people could see from a mile away.
Didn't like or agree with a lot of things he did, but there are also parts of him that I admire. Rest in peace.
Also consider the fact that most of us were obviously not alive during the Vietnam War.
So we don't get to know the McCain who traded his life for others.
We just saw the Bush 3.0 who would limply finger wag Trump and wanted to blow up Iran.
You do know the John McCain himself routinely used a racist slur against Asians, specifically the Vietnamese, right?
So we don't get to know the McCain who traded his life for others.
We just saw the Bush 3.0 who would limply finger wag Trump and wanted to blow up Iran.
You do know the John McCain himself routinely used a racist slur against Asians, specifically the Vietnamese, right?
It's scary af from the outside looking in.
Literally.
Calling him a "war hero" is all good though? Talk about wiping his slate clean.
You have to be kidding with this bullshit. We can't call this out but others can laud him for it?
Disgusting.
To be fair, when you're talking about Republicans that bare minimum of decency happens so rarely that it's actually newsworthy
i want to believe it's deep sarcasm... but I doubt any politician would risk that so I have to believe he means it and .... wtf.
RIP McCain.
You had a lot I disagreed with but staying with your men in Vietnam in prison camps is commendable.
You had a lot I disagreed with but staying with your men in Vietnam in prison camps is commendable.
Now I'm wondering how dems will react when George W Bush dies
"Before he started two wars to kill a bunch of them at least he said we shouldn't hate them unlike Trump"... only they'll probably not mention the two wars.
He will get profound respect and unmitigated hate in equal measure and by god he deserves both in my opinion. I'm not gonna get into that here though lol
To be fair, the Jedi are never really presented as the heroes of the Prequels. We're supposed to sympathize with Anakin's mounting frustrations with the Order and understand why he turns on them. George isn't a great storyteller, but yeah, the Jedi weren't supposed to be the good guys in Ep.I-III.
McCain wasn't a good guy either, for the various reasons already discussed at length in this thread. I admit it does make me uncomfortable to see people praise him as a "hero" because he behaved admirably when he was captured while committing a war crime during a pointless imperialist war that he volunteered for. While I know that many good men and women serve, the deeply-ingrained reverence for the American military is unsettling. John McCain didn't fight to defend American values or rights. That's to say nothing about his decades-long career in politics that actively decreased and still decreases the quality of life for millions of Americans. I don't believe that his civility while espousing damaging policy is commendable. I question that civility, really, since he publicly referred to the Vietnamese as "gooks" and his 2nd wife as a "cunt."
Cancer is a shit way to go though, and nobody deserves that suffering. I can only hope that his opinions on the accessibility of affordable healthcare continue to lose popularity among American voters.
RIP, and condolences to his family.
"He was a good man." "I disagreed with his politics, but I respect him as a person." "He's done some mistakes, but it was what he believed in."
They're going to lionize the hell out of him, just like this one here. This is how things never change, jingoism's a disease.
He deserves both? He deserves no profound respect, the fuck you mean?
Give me strength...
Absolutely agree with this.
People here are free to not like the man but there's no need to act like a sociopath.
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He'll get both but only deserve the second.
Don't bring up shit you don't want to defend or talk about
I think this is usually by design. They wait until the last possible second to announce this.
Probably the treatment had not been helping him for a while.
Good lord Trump is not where "not a good person, and did bad things" begins.... and trust me things will be far far more aggro for him so you'll see a difference.
He will get both. On that we agree.
Someone else brought it up. I was merely making a passing comment. Not gonna derail a thread about John McCain passing away with the deeds of George W. Bush. Also for the record I have FAR more bad things to say about him than good things to say before anyone tries to make any assumptions about my stance on him.
You did sneak in your own thoughts though that he'd get deserved praise... like I said whatever I'll drop it but I'd avoid making contentious claims you don't want to engage with.
IIRC, Bush's approval rating with Dems is already improving significantly just because he's not Trump. That's how low the bar is for Republicans now.
The tributes will conveniently forget his warmongering, his awful response to Hurricane Katrina, and his crippling of the US economy.
I mean it goes way beyond social convention to call him a warrior for peace.... that's just so fucking out there.
I think he does deserve praise on some points. Just like John McCain I did not like the man and did not agree with him on a vast number of political issues, but I respect him as a person for a select number of things that he did during his tenure.
Its possible to not like someone and not agree with them and still be able to respect other things that they did.
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Nah im glad people out themselves as what they really are. So many "champions" of morals and decency here have next to none. Its amazing to watch people try to stay on the high horse while taking the piss.
I'm trying to think of what instance he might be referring to but I can't come up with one. McCain was a hawk his whole career.
Profound respect tho..
Anyway, regarding the late senator.
I understand most who'd simply want to keep up social conventions by wishing he rest in piece, sure.
I just don't understand the need to call him a hero. Seriously.
Some of us just don't switch tunes when someone dies and act like they were war heroes.
And that's having no morals? Fucking hell man.
Anyway, regarding the late senator.
I understand most who'd simply want to keep up social conventions by wishing he rest in piece, sure.
I just don't understand the need to call him a hero. Seriously.
lol. "out themselves".
Some of us just don't switch tunes when someone dies and act like they were war heroes.
And that's having no morals? Fucking hell man.
People join the military and wage wars to fight for peace. Its not that hard to figure out what he meant.
Because some of the things he has endured in life have made him a hero to some people.
When John Lewis and Barrack Obama, among others; people who have been and still are at the forefront of what is good in this world; choose to not dance on this person's grave, then maybe, just maybe you need to take a step back and take a good, hard look at what you're doing, instead of chalking it up to just "social convention". Because they didn't have to say anything if they didn't want to. Silence often speaks volumes, but they chose not to do that.
You know what? No. This brief moment of "heroism" is an excuse/thought stopping argument that allowed him and his party to be horrible later. McCain was an enabler of the current yahoos who are so horrible they make him look good. He coasted on his heroics and allowed the Palins of this world to take over. Die a hero or live long enough to be a villain and he descended into villainy with Palin if not earlier.
"But he did some good like saving ACA or something blah blah!" No he played you like a shoot in wrestling. Let others beat you bloody then show up with a band aid (not real medical attention. A band aid) like a gooddamn Avenger for you to worship as if the band aid is magic and the people that beat you weren't his drinking buddies.
The most shocking thing is how Americans are so eager to take crumbs from the table and think it's some great charity.
Vietnam bro should've quit while he was ahead before he sullied his own legacy. Hope a lifetime of GOP bullshit was worth 5 years of torture. He died of old age in a comfy bed in a mansion, so I'm guessing 5 years were worth it.
After Thanos dies in Avengers 4, it would rule if Captain America was like "Now that he's gone I must say that while I did not agree with him killing half of all life in the universe, I will always respect him for doing what he thought was right. Goodnight sweet prince..."
The Asian slur comment he made he backtracked in by the way. He flat out condemed himself. He said in respect to the all the peoples he is sorry and will not say it anymore.
The war stuff is gross
He was For don't ask don't tell gross stuff
He's like best friends with Hillary and Obama.
He defended Obama numerous times and complimented him.
To be honest it's kinda hard to figure out what he really was.
The war stuff is gross
He was For don't ask don't tell gross stuff
He's like best friends with Hillary and Obama.
He defended Obama numerous times and complimented him.
To be honest it's kinda hard to figure out what he really was.
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Get off your high horse says the man sitting atop a Pegasus 60 feet in the air.
What are you trying to say here? That he doesn't deserve the common decency of people respecting the period of mourning surrounding someone's death?
He was a republican who knew how to be nice... but not necessarily good.
I am 100% against the dancing on the grave tendency. Please don't take my words to an unintended extreme. My criticism was in the words Lewis used. In all the ways one could memorialize McCain, "warrior for peace" seems fairly ill fitting. Call him a hero for his time as a POW. Call him a lifetime servant to his country. Those at least make sense even if arguable to a number of people. I simply felt it was a poor turn of phrase from an otherwise notable orator.
WHAT?
He was the main obstacle.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/jon-stewart-rips-john-mccain-over-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-video
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6liku0/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-it-gets-worse-psa
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/lxitdm/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-gaypocalypse-now
Even after he said he would accept the Pentagon's recommendations, he went back on it once they showed evidence there was nothing wrong with gay people serving and fought tooth and nail to prevent its repeal.
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Ftfy
murdering civilians is a really good way of fighting for peacd
Frankly? No. He's dead, he doesn't care. I'd respect the family's feelings, but they are public figures, so eh.
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