You should read the post of mine he quoted while saying that, because if that was his point, it has nothing to do with what I said.
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John McCain has died at age 81 (READ OP)
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You should read the post of mine he quoted while saying that, because if that was his point, it has nothing to do with what I said.
The way the post reads makes it seem that it's almost deplorable to serve.
Explain away his predilection for war and the systematic killing of brown and non white people around the world and his fuck the poor actions as well.
I'll wait.
Someone voting in line with their party even when it's wrong is morally very bad, yes.
Yup. It's almost funny how the extreme left and crazy right wing trumpers are united on hating this man. Especially the later with their cooked up theories and saying shit worse than found here in some despicable posts.
Being hated my crazies on both sides is probably the greatest compliment I could give this flawed but true American son.
"Nobody."
Tell you what, I definitely care if a politician is a life long racist. For example, necessary or not, I hate Joe Manchin's fucking guts over his rhetoric.
Consider the possibility that he could have chosen not to be a Republican.
I mean...
It's not an accomplishment.
It's pretty easy just be really really right wing but not really really really right wing.
You're not American and you're judging Americans for how they feel about American issues?
You don't shit or spit on a soldier, but it is not seen as something to make a fuzz about.
Maybe it has to do with the european history. For hundreds of years there were war everywhere.
And after seeing all what is happening in the near east with no positive results, nobody sees a job at military as something to aspire for or be proud of
Ahhhhh the sheltered privilege of someone who never had to worry about politics effect on their lives
Sorry didn't mean to get in the way of you posting your video game reference lol
He won against Ann Kirkpatrick in Arizona 53% to 40%. He was fairly well liked in that state, so maybe if his replacement is a Trumpian disaster, this could be a good thing politically.
Being anti-war isn't "crazy". My post was supposed to show that making both of his detractors out to be 'equally crazy' is dangerous rhetoric.
Those are not "views", those were real actions that he took using the power invested in him.
Soldiers have done great things but they have also done terrible things . at the end of the day serving in the war isn't a honorable thing because War itself is honorable.
ZERO benefit of the doubt for someone who said this:
Do we really have to repost this every other page to get people to stop ignoring it without attempting to downplay or rationalize racism?
These are not the words of a hero.
These are not the words of a decent man.
These are the words of John McCain.
Him being dead now does not erase that.
What has he done to constitute "Hero" status?
Some of the most vile humans in history are warmongers that served their country. It would be best that none of us forget that.
Well, you know what they say, every villain thinks they are the hero of the story.
Republicans watch Star Wars and think they are the scrappy Rebels fight the Evil Empire.
Ok. So they're so bad they think they're good. That's worse
Yeah, I hear that's how he was captured. He was in the senate office. Poor guy never saw it coming.
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i think there should be a second thread where we're allowed to celebrate his death. and then all the people who either don't know or don't care about all the awful shit he did throughout his life can keep calling him a hero or whatever in this thread. it's only fair
I mean it is a relatively modern thing, World War 1 changed how Europeans felt about war and soldiers.
Then allow me to rephrase: Why should I? I didn't say I agreed with him.
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Imagine looking to Barack "3800 Kills" Obama and Chuck "If I Just Keep Wringing My Hands And Making A Pained Expression Maybe Things Will Go Back to the Way They Were In The Good Old Days" Schumer for moral leadership.
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We shouldn't celebrate death unless the person in question was a murderer. Have some compassion. Cancer is merciless.
He'd been in the Senate for 35 years.
That's a career politician spare me the semantics
Speaking from Australia, John McCain was one of the few American Republican politicians who commanded broad respect by people on both sides of politics down here. Both our new Prime Minister, several ex-prime ministers and our current Labor party opposition leader Bill Shorten have all released statements of condolence, showing the broad respect. Some of these same people refused to send any message of congratulations to Trump, which tells you all you need to know.
McCain often visited and met with politicians from all parties, in fact his most recent visit was last year. When your moron of a president had an argument with our ex-Prime Minister Turnbull, which threatened to ruin relations, John McCain released a lengthy statement saying that he believed our countries were still friends and allies, and then followed it up with a visit in 2017 to try and patch up relations. This was thoughtful and much appreciated.
I don't think I agreed with most of his policy positions, especially not his silly Iraq War advocacy, but the fact that Obamacare still exists in some is because he crossed the floor to spite Trump. During the 2008 presidential campaign he also regularly took the microphone off racist voters at campaign rallies who though Obama was a Muslim.
I also remember fondly his 2008 concession speech, where he said the following:
"In a contest as long and difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance. But that he managed to do so by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans, who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or little influence in the election of an American president, is something I deeply admire and commend him for achieving.
This is an historic election, and I recognize the special significance it has for African-Americans and for the special pride that must be theirs tonight.
I've always believed that America offers opportunities to all who have the industry and will to seize it. Sen. Obama believes that, too. But we both recognize that though we have come a long way from the old injustices that once stained our nation's reputation and denied some Americans the full blessings of American citizenship, the memory of them still had the power to wound.
A century ago, President Theodore Roosevelt's invitation of Booker T. Washington to visit — to dine at the White House — was taken as an outrage in many quarters. America today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States. Let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth.
Sen. Obama has achieved a great thing for himself and for his country. I applaud him for it, and offer my sincere sympathy that his beloved grandmother did not live to see this day — though our faith assures us she is at rest in the presence of her Creator and so very proud of the good man she helped raise....
Whatever our differences, we are fellow Americans. And please believe me when I say no association has ever meant more to me than that."
This kind of grace and respect is sadly absent from anyone on the Right of politics in America today. In my view, John McCain's death represents the death of the old Republican party and the few values it held that were worth saving - particularly honour, duty and public service. He was a true friend of Australia - the rest of the try hards, blowhards, racists and corporate criminals that make up the American republican party today are not.
McCain often visited and met with politicians from all parties, in fact his most recent visit was last year. When your moron of a president had an argument with our ex-Prime Minister Turnbull, which threatened to ruin relations, John McCain released a lengthy statement saying that he believed our countries were still friends and allies, and then followed it up with a visit in 2017 to try and patch up relations. This was thoughtful and much appreciated.
I don't think I agreed with most of his policy positions, especially not his silly Iraq War advocacy, but the fact that Obamacare still exists in some is because he crossed the floor to spite Trump. During the 2008 presidential campaign he also regularly took the microphone off racist voters at campaign rallies who though Obama was a Muslim.
I also remember fondly his 2008 concession speech, where he said the following:
"In a contest as long and difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance. But that he managed to do so by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans, who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or little influence in the election of an American president, is something I deeply admire and commend him for achieving.
This is an historic election, and I recognize the special significance it has for African-Americans and for the special pride that must be theirs tonight.
I've always believed that America offers opportunities to all who have the industry and will to seize it. Sen. Obama believes that, too. But we both recognize that though we have come a long way from the old injustices that once stained our nation's reputation and denied some Americans the full blessings of American citizenship, the memory of them still had the power to wound.
A century ago, President Theodore Roosevelt's invitation of Booker T. Washington to visit — to dine at the White House — was taken as an outrage in many quarters. America today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States. Let there be no reason now for any American to fail to cherish their citizenship in this, the greatest nation on Earth.
Sen. Obama has achieved a great thing for himself and for his country. I applaud him for it, and offer my sincere sympathy that his beloved grandmother did not live to see this day — though our faith assures us she is at rest in the presence of her Creator and so very proud of the good man she helped raise....
Whatever our differences, we are fellow Americans. And please believe me when I say no association has ever meant more to me than that."
This kind of grace and respect is sadly absent from anyone on the Right of politics in America today. In my view, John McCain's death represents the death of the old Republican party and the few values it held that were worth saving - particularly honour, duty and public service. He was a true friend of Australia - the rest of the try hards, blowhards, racists and corporate criminals that make up the American republican party today are not.
Where does this "priveleged "garbage come from? The irony of someone on an internet forum going on about privilege, likely posting from a smart phone. Im sure you've had it real hard.
I learned class from some pretty poor people. Its not some exclusive trait of the rich.
When he was captured? I think you have your facts wrong.
If you mean overall, he died at 81. So clearly not his whole career.
... Celebrate?
Uhh. Good luck, why don't you make your own thread doing just that and see how it goes?
The old Republican party is the new Republican party they just knew had to dogwhistle better.
You're utterly splitting hairs here in regards to my response to a guy saying keep politics out of a discussion about a politician's death.
The same old Republican party that made its name off of demonizing minorities and the poor? Like you do know the old and new Republican parties are basically the same outside of a crazy man running it.
As has everyone since the dawn of time. Heroism isn't exclusive to the military, but neither is depravity. As for war, it isn't a good thing, but it's a reality. And we need men and women willing to fight in one in case it comes to our doorstep, which one day, it will. I'm not in the Marines anymore, but I'd happily fight to protect you. I don't ask that you honor me, but I do ask you to consider your stance more carefully.
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