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Is the tide of public opinion turning against BOTW?
- Thread starter ZixlerBavala
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Let me see if I understand. You say word of mouth is still selling copies of Breath of the Wild but that isn't hype. Let's agree to disagree.
So wait I don't understand.
Under what circumstances is a game not sold by hype, under your definition?
Word of mouth is very different from hype. Hype is a coordinated marketing effort. Word of mouth is just general opinion by customers.
I didn't :) I provided a question to point out where your logic leads.
I have never gotten the feeling of boredom when solving a shrine. I think each shrine is nicely balanced of not too hard and not to easy. It is a nice quick 30 minutes of games before bed.
I think the overall design of BoTW is really good for people who dont have a whole lot of time to play many hours of games every day. Everything about the game is very accessible for busy people with jobs, school, and such. If a person is only able to play in small amounts, then dropping a weapon that is about to break and using a different one is completely fine. The story is simple. So, it is not a matter of trying to remember what was going on the last time you played.
Unfortunately, this design is probably also what turns off the more hardcore gamers who play for many hours at a time. Those gamers will have an expectation of the game being deeper and more challenging. Just the things that dont work well with the gamer who doesnt have time for that.
When the masses aren't calling it the Gane of the Year or the Best Game of album all time or other hyperbolic statements.
Ehh, I get the argument that "word of mouth" and "hype" aren't the same thing, but I also disagree that "hype" is just coordinated marketing effort. Hype can very much be created on by a fanbase on its own, but before a game releases. I mean, personally speaking, most of my excitement for say, Smash Bros., is generated from discussing the game and its possibilities with its fanbase, not necessarily only from announcements from Nintendo regarding the game. The whole "hype train" meme we see around E3 and Nintendo Directs are almost entirely fanbase-driven, as well.
But anyway, going back to BotW, yes, the game clearly has had amazing word of mouth for it to be continuing to sell as well as it currently is, and that would indicate that many people who buy the game are enjoying it.
But anyway, going back to BotW, yes, the game clearly has had amazing word of mouth for it to be continuing to sell as well as it currently is, and that would indicate that many people who buy the game are enjoying it.
So if the masses are calling it that, as you say they are, then very clearly the masses enjoyed the game.
I don't even understand what you're saying anymore. It's a complete circular argument.
Great games are liked passionately by people, but when they tell others how great the game is the game isn't actually that great because if a person is saying the game is great they're being hyperbolic ergo the game isn't as great as people say it is and thus subsequent purchases are fueled by hype and this means the people who buy the game because their friends told them how great it is don't actually think it's all that great, except they also have to think that the game is great so they can tell all of their friends how great the game is so the continued strong sales a year and a half after the fact makes sense under this warped scenario, and thus the purchases even farther down the line are also fueled by hype and uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Yes and it's still hype. You can enjoy something without calling it the 'best game ever'and similar. You know there were people doing it before it even came out. The whole point of marketing is to create hype among consumers,
Okay, but the original point of your post was that it's not easy to tell how many people enjoyed the game judging by long term sales, to which I said word of mouth ad accelerating sales indicate that it is. Whether or not you want to call it hype is irrelevant, if enough people like the game to call it the greatest ever and sustain, no, accelerate, sales, then the simple fact of the matter is that the bulk of the people who buy the game enjoy it.
You made a self defeating argument because you got lost in the semantics.
But what if it IS the best game they've played all year or even ever? If it's just someone's opinion it doesn't mean it's hype, it's just their opinion.
No, I love BOTW, it's a masterpiece.
But I'm just saying who cares what public opinion is.
Thought it was a boring game then, and still think it is now. Still going to sell because it's open world Zelda.
My opinion that it's a great game with plenty of room for improvement hasn't changed since launch. I haven't soured on it at all.
I'm excited to see how they handle the next game seeing as it's being built from the ground up for the Switch.
I'm excited to see how they handle the next game seeing as it's being built from the ground up for the Switch.
Oh, haha. Well, yes, I agree by and large. Sometimes the public happens to be right, though, this is one of those times ;)
No. While it could have used a few more dungeons and some underground exploration here and there, BotW is still an incredible experience overall and it's the most important and groundbreaking Zelda game since OoT.
Since launch there have always been tons of threads hating on it. I guess people who liked it didn't feel the need to make threads.
this a joke? There were tons of threads made about how botw is the goat and stuff like that
in 2017, really 2018 discourse about botw is spotty at best. even then there are still threads that are positive for botw
lol sure some people love to hate popular games but just because BOTW got a lot of love does not mean it did not overdeliver for me.
I might not be playing the story DLC but I enjoyed getting 900 korok seeds so I don't have any hate for the game after months with it.
I might not be playing the story DLC but I enjoyed getting 900 korok seeds so I don't have any hate for the game after months with it.
"Since launch" are your words here, why are you cutting out the release year to make a point?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/happy-birthday-to-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-a-year-long-honeymoon-that's-still-going-strong.27133/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-breath-of-the-wilds-hyrule-the-most-varied-open-world.56852/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-world-design-in-breath-of-the-wild-is-truly-fantastic.39269/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/lttp-breath-of-the-wild-how-free-roaming-is-done-right.63023/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/br...-stealth-action-survival-game-in-parts.53354/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/best-optional-content-in-breath-of-the-wild.30372/
im just scratching the surface here
I think people are less likely to make a thread a year after they played a game just to praise it, but I guess Phantom Thief proved me wrong.
Regardless, it doesn't prove perception of the game changed at all. It basically swept GotY awards almost a full year after releasing.
I mean I never said it isnt still very much a liked game, I said people who like it still make threads about how much they love it, even in 2018
You said the opposite but it's fine, Phantom Thief corrected me.
Guess it was "all new" for Zelda fans.
Granted, the quality level of BOTW is quite astounding but it wasn't emergent gameplay either (even if some thinks it is). Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, probably in the top 5 of the Switch future life, but it wasn't genre defining. You won't say in a few years a BOTW-like game like you would say a Roguelike or a Metroidvania game.
I still believe that the further away from traditional Zelda we get the better. I suppose that's why Breath of the Wild supplanted Majora's Mask as my favorite Zelda.
Skyward Sword having the Zelda name didn't help it move an impressive number of copies.
And I've seen people defend SS as much as BotW, the world is a crazy place.
honestly its funny people keep saying that its the Zelda name thats selling it when i truly beleive most people who played BOTW are either new comers or people who havent played Zelda in a long time. Clearly the Zelda name didnt make the other games sell as well as this so why would it now
That wouldn't explain how it is supposedly all new for reviewers and other developers, seeing as they gushed and still gush over the game
How is it not emergent gameplay? As for genre-defining, well genre-defining doesn't mean making or popularizing your own genre or anything. Its not like we saw a TLOU-like, for example. It just means that its among the best within its genre and, with how many folk loved it, you best believe other developers will using at least some elements from BOTW, more so for adventure or open world games
Lol That hasn't been the case at all with SS. SS has a far more divisive general opinion than BOTW, which is far more loved and praised
...that and SS is an awesome game so it's not crazy to defend it ;)