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TarNaru33

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Oct 27, 2017
2,045
Watching the news it seems the ramp he got on was confusing, Infact the news lady says they saw someone else make the same mistake. He might have been suicidal but what we don't know is if he intentionally got on the wrong ramp. What we do know however is that three people are tragically dead, an unfortunate situation all around.

Really man?

It is an INTERSTATE, anyone who knows even a little bit about driving would have easily recognized they were in the wrong lane after getting off the ramp. They almost always have the highway far apart or with a concrete divider. If you see a highway on the RIGHT side of you, you are obviously going the wrong way.

People here calling a human "garbage" or "piece of shit" and condemn him because "he scammed" on a dumb little game are not better than him.

Even the circumstances of the crash are unclear, there could easily been many other reasons than suicide.

See above. There is just no chance this was an accident, he flew 100mph head first into the next vehicle and we have context of him flying through elementary gates too.
 
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Sebastopa

Member
Apr 27, 2018
1,782
You really want to be going to bat for the guy who murdered a 12 year old and her mother?

Posting on the wrong site or?

This dude killed people.

He tried to crash into a school...before going a hundred miles per hour on the wrong side of the freeway. The wrong side at a hundred miles! It's pretty easy to get the gist of the situation. And full knowledge of the situation? A situation where a parent and her child died? Yeah, that's impossible since the guy who created the situation and knows the most about whatever he was doing is dead, for fuck's sake. You're no better than the rest of us, mate.

Rest in peace to the two victims. Should there be an afterlife, may this jerk realize what a terrible thing he did.
Congratulations on crerrypicking my argument and twisting it into a narrative I"m not trying to push.

How about you pull the same argument into the douchebags here that write low-effort posts like "Scum" instead of emphatizing with the victims, their family (Even the "Murderer" had one you know?) And the people around who had to see the incident?

Hell, even if I WAS advocating for this individual in particular. This is a very sensitive topic, if the dude waa alive and could actually defend himself from the backlash and the law, then it would be different, alas, the dude is dead and the hard evidence pointing towards intentional damage to property and/or people's lives is forever buried with him until some objective psychological tests are developed.

Also, "This outlet affirms he was going to crash in a School before he crashed with the family" is NOT evidence, anecdotal evidence and false interpretation. Are crimes in and by themselves, what is this? The middle ages? Drugs, Alcohol, shit that could easily twist a 18-year old, those are actual evidence.

You know what the morbid part about this is? The fact that wishing for someone to go to hell and actually wishing for his/her death are not too different.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-bad-to-wish-for-someones-death

This is my last post in this thread, I don't want to detail any further with inflammatory posts.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
7,273
Congratulations on crerrypicking my argument and twisting it into a narrative I"m not trying to push.

How about you pull the same argument into the douchebags here that write low-effort posts like "Scum" instead of emphatizing with the victims, their family (Even the "Murderer" had one you know?) And the people around who had to see the incident?

Hell, even if I WAS advocating for this individual in particular. This is a very sensitive topic, if the dude waa alive and could actually defend himself from the backlash and the law, then it would be different, alas, the dude is dead and the hard evidence pointing towards intentional damage to property and/or people's lives is forever buried with him until some objective psychological tests are developed.

Also, "This outlet affirms he was going to crash in a School before he crashed with the family" is NOT evidence, anecdotal evidence and false interpretation. Are crimes in and by themselves, what is this? The middle ages? Drugs, Alcohol, shit that could easily twist a 18-year old, those are actual evidence.

You know what the morbid part about this is? The fact that wishing for someone to go to hell and actually wishing for his/her death are not too different.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-bad-to-wish-for-someones-death

This is my last post in this thread, I don't want to detail any further with inflammatory posts.
Well said.
 

Francois Dillinger

Alt-Account
Banned
Jul 30, 2018
427
What a piece of shit. If you wanna risk your own life speeding take your rich ass to a race track, not the wrong lane on the highway putting innocent people at risk.

Prayers to the family of the mother and daughter. My heart goes out to them. No sympathy for the asshole, though
 

take_marsh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,253
The death and injury of those innocents is upsetting. I wish theirs the best in handling this situation.
 
Jun 26, 2018
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Absolutely senseless.

I feel bad for the families left behind by this.

And holy shit, people really will defend anything on the internet....

This guys actions are undeniably unforgiveable, he's put a huge amount of hurt into the world by doing this, regardless of his situation or intention.

Any anger people feels towards him is well justified.
 

low-G

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Oct 25, 2017
8,144
Admonishing real life murder is morally good. Hopes & prayers at least also bolster support for empathy.

Criticizing the admonishment of murder seems like something an antisocial individual would do.
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
28,027
Watching the news it seems the ramp he got on was confusing, Infact the news lady says they saw someone else make the same mistake. He might have been suicidal but what we don't know is if he intentionally got on the wrong ramp. What we do know however is that three people are tragically dead, an unfortunate situation all around.

People here calling a human "garbage" or "piece of shit" and condemn him because "he scammed" on a dumb little game are not better than him.

Even the circumstances of the crash are unclear, there could easily been many other reasons than suicide.

This is some bullshit. Unclear? The only thing unclear is if he was under the influence or something. Do you guys know how hard it is to accidentally get on the wrong side of a fucking interstate? First of all, you'd have to already be driving on the wrong side of the road to jump into an interstate through its exit. Second, as other posters have said there's a freaking concrete divider separating both sides of the road. If there is an entire other road on your right side, your driving on the fucking wrong side. Lastly, even if you somehow didn't know you got on on the wrong side, is your immediate reaction really gonna be to drive at 100 fucking miles an hour. This isn't unclear. He's a piece of shit and everyone has the right to be fucking outraged by this.
 

Eumi

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Nov 3, 2017
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People here calling a human "garbage" or "piece of shit" and condemn him because "he scammed" on a dumb little game are not better than him.

Even the circumstances of the crash are unclear, there could easily been many other reasons than suicide.
I think people might be calling him scum because he murdered a mother and child.

And even if it were because of him scamming people, calling someone scum for scamming someone on a video game is no where near murdering a mother and child.
 

Kappa

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Oct 27, 2017
334
User Banned (1 Day): Personal attacks against other members (avatar shaming); junior phase account
Yep as usual, all these anime avatars defending this waste of space. No tears for this rich white murderer.
 

Summer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
177
London
People here calling a human "garbage" or "piece of shit" and condemn him because "he scammed" on a dumb little game are not better than him.

Even the circumstances of the crash are unclear, there could easily been many other reasons than suicide.
You're right, calling a murderer a piece of shit is just as bad as brutally murdering a 12 year old child and her mother.

Jesus fucking christ you should be ashamed of yourself.

RIP to the victims, sorry your lives ended so horribly and I'm sorry that both families have to go through this ordeal. What a waste.
 

Dorfdad

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Oct 27, 2017
731
Thirty minutes before the crash, Heitmann crashed thrugh the gates of a Carmel Valley elementary school, the station reported.

Before that, his father called police to report his son had sped off in the McLaren after hitting a family car in the process, according to the station.

Seems this guy had something else going on possibly drunk, in a rage fit he was acting strange at least 30 minutes prior to the wreck. This dude was probably raging. Sad that he killed two others but he clearly had issues.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,547
Congratulations on crerrypicking my argument and twisting it into a narrative I"m not trying to push.

How about you pull the same argument into the douchebags here that write low-effort posts like "Scum" instead of emphatizing with the victims, their family (Even the "Murderer" had one you know?) And the people around who had to see the incident?
The mother and daughters' family has a Go Fund Me page posted in this thread.

Also, if you want people to empathize with the victims, stop spending most of your posts whining about the judgements made against their killer. Actually do what you preach.

Hell, even if I WAS advocating for this individual in particular. This is a very sensitive topic, if the dude waa alive and could actually defend himself from the backlash and the law, then it would be different, alas, the dude is dead and the hard evidence pointing towards intentional damage to property and/or people's lives is forever buried with him until some objective psychological tests are developed.

Also, "This outlet affirms he was going to crash in a School before he crashed with the family" is NOT evidence, anecdotal evidence and false interpretation. Are crimes in and by themselves, what is this? The middle ages? Drugs, Alcohol, shit that could easily twist a 18-year old, those are actual evidence.
This isn't a court of law. And if this was one, driving under the influence is a crime for a reason. You think peoples' judgement would be any more charitable if this asshole decided to drive on the wrong side of the interstate at 100 mph because he was drunk?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Thirty minutes before the crash, Heitmann crashed thrugh the gates of a Carmel Valley elementary school, the station reported.

Before that, his father called police to report his son had sped off in the McLaren after hitting a family car in the process, according to the station.

Seems this guy had something else going on possibly drunk, in a rage fit he was acting strange at least 30 minutes prior to the wreck. This dude was probably raging. Sad that he killed two others but he clearly had issues.

When you take 2 other innocent lives with you, you lose all sympathy from me about what issues you were dealing with.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
17,547
Hopefully the injured person in the hospital will make a swift recovery.
 

Hurting Bomb

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Oct 28, 2017
932
There is nothing more selfish or disgusting than people who commit suicide and decide to take other people with the.....what a prick!
 
Oct 25, 2017
21,438
Sweden
if you don't want to live, i guess most people will not judge you for committing suicide, but why the fuck do you think you should bring other people down too?

extremely tragic
 
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Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Sorry for your loss. I've had two friends pass away fairly recently from natural causes that was hard enough to conceive; I can't even begin to imagine what having a friend take their own life feels like.

Guilt for the rest of your life; no matter how much you rationally know you most likely had zero impact on the final outcome. That's one of the most horrible things about suicide; not just the life it takes (or, in this case, the multiple lives, which is even more tragic), but the lives it permanently scars as well.

Also to the people shitting on him, I understand the sentiment, but he's dead and doesn't care, while his family and friends presumably are alive and do care. So there's that, I guess.

Edit: That said:
People here calling a human "garbage" or "piece of shit" and condemn him because "he scammed" on a dumb little game are not better than him.

Eh... no. I'm pretty sure lashing out against the senseless deaths of a woman and child doesn't make you worse than the person who caused them.
 

JPLMD

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Dec 25, 2017
90
I know I shouldn't be surprised but it still shocks me people can actually defend stuff like this.
 

Fridge Freezer

Alt Account
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Jul 21, 2018
260
Scumbag. Heart breaks for those left of half the family he took out. Not only was he going the wrong way he was doing it at speed.

Those defending him are biazzare to me.
 

Richietto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Suicide is a shitty thing, it's serious and it sucks. But fuck this guy. Wasn't enough he wanted to kill himself he had to bring innocent people with him. Fuck! RIP to the Mother and daughter.

How can anyone feel for this guy, really? He took advantage of folks with his gambling bullshit and killed 2 innocent people.
 

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What a fucking shit stain.

RIP to the family of those he killed senselessly.

Just seen the crash scene photos, fucking hell, that's some devastation!
 

Zatoichi

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Oct 25, 2017
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RIP to the people he killed.

My sentiments exactly.

I cant express sorrow for someone who killed innocent people, if you are that suicidal please get help or at the worst go somewhere quiet and go with dignity.

Murder / suicide is fucking wretched behaviour.

Poor kid and her mom.
 

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Here's the GoFundMe page for the victims. https://www.gofundme.com/aryana-amp-aileen-memorial-fund

Congratulations on crerrypicking my argument and twisting it into a narrative I"m not trying to push.

(cue more words)

Thanks! If you're still lurking: shut off the computer and take a good hard look at yourself, dude.


You too. Seriously.

There's no reason to defend this YouTuber that can't be weighed against the fact that he was ultimately okay with killing people by driving 100 miles per hour on the wrong side of the road. Any sympathetic reasons he has or had can't change that! We'll never know what problems he may have been struggling with, but we'll sure know whatever they were made him okay with taking other lives with him.

If it somehow turns out that it was all a horrific misunderstanding and this YouTuber was actually in a freak situation, then...I guess I'll feel kind of bad that I thought he was a terrible person and be like "well, hope he rests in peace too even though he was still a pretty scummy person in life"? Him being a scummy person in life, by the way, doesn't really help the evidence (put that word in quotes if you'd like) that he did all this stuff without a care.

Anyhow, sorry you feel like we're terrible people for hating a guy for murdering people. Even though he's dead, do you expect people to be like "oh, he's dead, so there's no reason to feel anger at him and his actions and actually we're all going to pity him instead of being angry he killed people"? It's totally possible to pay condolences to the victims and simultaneously be disgusted with the perpetrator.

I don't even get why I'm writing this when I'm obviously not going to change your minds. I guess I'm just frustrated. Anyhow, last I'll say on this.
 

HarryDemeanor

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Oct 25, 2017
5,422
Read through the article and this guy was trying to Ram his car into an elementary school. What was up with this guy?? This could've been another Elliott Rodgers situation .
Yeah fuck this guy. Too bad he's not going to be alive to see the suffering he's caused to their families. Robbed two innocent people of their lives.
 

FormatCompatible

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also, "This outlet affirms he was going to crash in a School before he crashed with the family" is NOT evidence, anecdotal evidence and false interpretation. Are crimes in and by themselves, what is this? The middle ages? Drugs, Alcohol, shit that could easily twist a 18-year old, those are actual evidence.
Wait, are you saying that he didn't crash the elementary school just 30 minutes before the fatal crash? Because that is confirmed by the San Diego police that it was him and that is indeed a crime regardless if he was under the influence or not.

UPDATE: Officials identify the teen who plowed through an elementary school fence before causing a fatal, wrong-way crash on I-805 Thursday as 18-year-old Trevor Heitmann, a popular YouTube personality known as "McSkillet."

Now if you are saying the outlet and the police are lying in their report that's a whole other can of worms.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What a terrible tragedy for that family. An idiot 18 year old like this shouldn't be able to purchase a car like this, let alone driving one.
 

Hycran

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Oct 30, 2017
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I couldn't remember how I knew the name, then it occurred to me that I used to watch this guy's skin videos back when I was into CS:GO. His voice definitely sounded like he was a lot older than he was.

Feel awful for the mother and daughter.
 

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Here's the GoFundMe page for the victims. https://www.gofundme.com/aryana-amp-aileen-memorial-fund



Thanks! If you're still lurking: shut off the computer and take a good hard look at yourself, dude.



You too. Seriously.

There's no reason to defend this YouTuber that can't be weighed against the fact that he was ultimately okay with killing people by driving 100 miles per hour on the wrong side of the road. Any sympathetic reasons he has or had can't change that! We'll never know what problems he may have been struggling with, but we'll sure know whatever they were made him okay with taking other lives with him.

If it somehow turns out that it was all a horrific misunderstanding and this YouTuber was actually in a freak situation, then...I guess I'll feel kind of bad that I thought he was a terrible person and be like "well, hope he rests in peace too even though he was still a pretty scummy person in life"? Him being a scummy person in life, by the way, doesn't really help the evidence (put that word in quotes if you'd like) that he did all this stuff without a care.

Anyhow, sorry you feel like we're terrible people for hating a guy for murdering people. Even though he's dead, do you expect people to be like "oh, he's dead, so there's no reason to feel anger at him and his actions and actually we're all going to pity him instead of being angry he killed people"? It's totally possible to pay condolences to the victims and simultaneously be disgusted with the perpetrator.

I don't even get why I'm writing this when I'm obviously not going to change your minds. I guess I'm just frustrated. Anyhow, last I'll say on this.
I mean the fact that we now know he intentionally killed people changes the situation considerably.
 

OneBadMutha

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Nov 2, 2017
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I'm not defending the guy. Don't know the guy. Don't have enough info to be the judge and jury.

The situation is heartbreaking. I think about myself as a dad and if something happened to one of my two kids like this, when I wasn't feeling grief I'd want to see the world burn in that moment.

But finding other things to burn never really fixes anything. Family is entitled to any feelings they have. Rest of us should do better.

People snapping and doing crazy shit are at an all time high. It scares me. I wonder what I can do to ensure my little dude who has learning disabilities and aspergers doesn't become infected with whatever infects so many of these troubled kids. I don't believe all these people were destined to do this. Do I cut kids off from YouTube? Fight to get him off ADD meds. Am I missing important conversations that need to be had in this new world? What causes this? How do we prevent it?

I think too often we think if we express our outrage and burn everyone to the ground that doesn't express the same outrage, then our jobs are done. At some point you have to move beyond attacking people and figuring out what the fuck is going on so we can limit future damage. This statement is directed at many of you.