NPD July 2018: Octopath Traveler #1, Switch Best Selling Console

CaviarMeths · Aug 25, 2018

Kyoufu said:
In comparison to say, PS4, what is the standard at this stage of Switch's lifecycle? From what I recall Capcom were pretty slow to the current gen consoles as well.

More or less the same for released titles, with RER2 being the most notable non-remaster game on the system. But the major difference of course being in announced titles. Street Fighter V was just around the corner and all of their internal teams were busy working on PS4 games.

You're right though that PS4 in general had notable gaps in their release line-up for the first year or so too. 2014 was pretty dry, mostly cross-gen titles. I don't think its software output really picked up until Bloodborne in early 2015.

Deleted member 6730 · Aug 25, 2018

xxbrothawizxx said:
1.5 yrs:
CoD Blops
CoD Ghosts
Assassin's Creed 3
Assassin's Creed Black Flag
Injustice
Batman Arkham Asylum
Batman Origins
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Need For Speed Most Wanted
Tekken Tag Tournament 2
Darksiders 2
Epic Mickey 2
Mass Effect 3
Ninja Gaiden RE
Zombi U
007 Legends
Rayman Legends
Lego City Undercover
Wonderful 101
Sonic Lost World
Deus Ex

Oh so we're doing list wars now?

This is also ridiculous in every way.

Deleted member 31092 · Aug 25, 2018

Mass Effect 3 WiiU used as an example of good 3rd party support.

LMAO.

Herb Alpert · Aug 25, 2018

How can we debate about which has the better 3p support between WiiU and switch ?
Seriously this makes no sense

Charamiwa · Aug 25, 2018

Oregano said:
Why own a console in general when streaming is a thing?

Video game enthusiasts wanting a strong and solid experience: console or PC.
Everyone else: streaming.

I think that's the idea anyway.

LordKano said:
The streaming menace, coming in the next "few years" since 2008.

So what we just ignore every rumors, every CEO declaration, everything that's been said this E3, just to be cool and cynical?

NeonZ · Aug 25, 2018

Instro said:
Probably a combo of limited success on the 3DS(outside of Monster Hunter), and lack of resources due in part to the issues the experience at the beginning of this gen.

Super Street Fighter IV sold pretty well at launch, but then they never followed it up (and didn't set up the game to be updated unlike the console versions).

hussien-11 · Aug 25, 2018

Charamiwa said:
Look it's easy, I don't think the Switch will become obsolete because of streaming. It'll awlays have great games, good ecosystem, all of that.

But, let's say if 5 years from now you really want to play GTA 6 on the go, and you can either portbeg Rockstar game to downport it on the Switch 2, or buy the Microsoft Streaming Box for 100 dollars and play it on your TV, laptop and phone, with cross save, family sharing and all those great services. Then all of the sudden the appeal of the Switch might be a tad diluted.

This is a very interesting perception, but Switch is not the only device could be affected. if you can stream next gen games on your phone or your TV, or that Xbox cloud device, then what is also the point of buying a console for 400$ at that time ? this can affect all gaming not just the Switch concept.

Braaier · Aug 25, 2018

Sandfox said:
The majority of Capcom's output in general is remasters and ports. The only original games they have for this year are MHW and MM11. Last year I think we just got RE7 and MvCI. Ace Attorney is coming though.

I forgot about ace attorney! We haven't heard anything in a while. Hopefully we hear something soon.... I need my aa

slavesnyder · Aug 25, 2018

i have no switch and i must stream

jroc74 · Aug 25, 2018

Octopath Traveler is a 3rd party Switch exclusive thats #1 on the NPD charts.

Ppl still debating about 3rd party ports and whether 3rd party support is good or bad, comparing it to Wii U, etc.

Interesting.

All Wii U comparisons do is IMO show the hyperbole about there not being any 3rd party support for the Wii U. I still say the Wii U had the best launch line up for this gen.

Mysterio79 · Aug 25, 2018

jroc74 said:
Octopath Traveler is a 3rd party Switch exclusive thats #1 on the NPD charts.

Ppl still debating about 3rd party ports and whether 3rd party support is good or bad, comparing it to Wii U, etc.

Interesting.

All Wii U comparisons do is IMO show the hyperbole about there not being any 3rd party support for the Wii U. I still say the Wii U had the best launch line up for this gen.

I anything, Octopath's success bodes well for the future of third party projects on the Switch.

StevieP · Aug 25, 2018

MegaMix said:
People tend to forget that with a lot of this stuff it also isn't just profit, but pride. A lot of developers want to make their games for cutting edge hardware. I couldn't imagine say Kojima or the Final Fantasy series headlining last gen tech, unless the other two consoles bomb.

If developers actually gave a shit about cutting edge hardware, everything would be pc exclusive.

Charamiwa said:
Yeah we'll see I guess. What Microsoft will bring to the table in a few years will be very interesting to follow, and we'll see if it doesn't affect the Switch proposition one bit.

It sounds unappealing until someone makes it appealing.

Ask Capcom how appealing the streaming switch re7 is

Mysterio79 · Aug 25, 2018

Charamiwa said:
Yeah we'll see I guess. What Microsoft will bring to the table in a few years will be very interesting to follow, and we'll see if it doesn't affect the Switch proposition one bit.

Didn't Matt hint at MS wanting to put their streaming service on Switch?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...al-system-as-well.57285/page-37#post-10801430

They seem to be getting awful cozy these days. If that's the case, it will most definitely affect the Switch.

I believe MS want their streaming service on multiple devices outside of the Xbox umbrella.

Deleted member 6730 · Aug 25, 2018

Saucer said:
Didn't Matt hint at MS wanting to put their streaming service on Switch?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...al-system-as-well.57285/page-37#post-10801430

They seem to be getting awful cozy these days. If that's the case, it will most definitely affect the Switch.

I believe MS want their streaming service on multiple devices outside of the Xbox umbrella.

LMAO it's not happening.

Mysterio79 · Aug 25, 2018

Spyder_Monkey said:
LMAO it's not happening.

Why not? I think MS getting their service on as many devices and in as many hands as possible is probably the smartest thing they could do.

Nintendo would obviously benefit as well.

Deleted member 6730 · Aug 25, 2018

Saucer said:
Why not? I think MS getting their service on as many devices and in as many hands as possible is probably the smartest thing they could do.

Nintendo would obviously benefit as well.

No they won't. Nintendo wants you to buy games through their own store or using their format. Honestly this "Nintendo and MS are super close" is massively exaggerated. They have Minecraft that's it. MS is closer to Apple and Google and they're still viewed as rivals.

Garlador · Aug 25, 2018

I'm happy to see Nintendo (and old-school JRPGs) back on top.

Deleted member 2145 · Aug 25, 2018

Spyder_Monkey said:
LMAO it's not happening.

there was some MS/Nintendo talk coming out of E3 with some people hinting at the craziness of what they were hearing. Austin Walker said something about it, I believe, and I think someone from Giant Bomb corroborated

ILikeFeet · Aug 25, 2018

Saucer said:
Didn't Matt hint at MS wanting to put their streaming service on Switch?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...al-system-as-well.57285/page-37#post-10801430

They seem to be getting awful cozy these days. If that's the case, it will most definitely affect the Switch.

I believe MS want their streaming service on multiple devices outside of the Xbox umbrella.

MS wants their shit anywhere they can put it, it doesnt mean it's happening

Deleted member 6730 · Aug 25, 2018

phanphare said:
there was some MS/Nintendo talk coming out of E3 with some people hinting at the craziness of what they were hearing. Austin Walker said something about it, I believe, and I think someone from Giant Bomb corroborated

I'll believe it when I see it. But it's not gonna be to this extent.

Eolz · Aug 25, 2018

Saint-14 said:
So Nintendo will publish DQXI too? This seems to be the case with Nintendo only, they publish the PS4 games themselves, maybe an agreement between both.

That's likely imo.
The agreement seems to be more a "publish it or we won't bother release it there".

N.Domixis · Aug 25, 2018

ILikeFeet said:
MS wants their shit anywhere they can put it, it doesnt mean it's happening

So why not PS4? That console is far more popular in a lot of places where the Xbox brand is not popular. Could help reach more game sales in these places.

ILikeFeet · Aug 25, 2018

Eolz said:
That's likely imo.
The agreement seems to be more a "publish it or we won't bother release it there".

I can't imagine SE having that mentality for games like Octopath. the Bravely series performed too well for them to not publish OT if Nintendo didn't pick it up

Curufinwe · Aug 25, 2018

StevieP said:
If developers actually gave a shit about cutting edge hardware, everything would be pc exclusive.

No, cause devs also care about sales.

Oregano · Aug 25, 2018

ILikeFeet said:
I can't imagine SE having that mentality for games like Octopath. the Bravely series performed too well for them to not publish OT if Nintendo didn't pick it up

I question whether OT would even exist in its current form if Nintendo weren't throwing money at the team. Going by the credits Nintendo had direct involvement with localisation and debugging.

Also going by the credits some Silicon Studio/Creek & River employees worked on the game so BD11 still has that relationship clearly.

Deleted member 2785 · Aug 25, 2018

Devs at the big pubs, like everyone else, like hitting their bonus targets more than anything. And those bonus targets are usually around sales figures. And you're not selling the most to those with bleeding edge hardware. It's an important segment, sure, but it ain't everything.

gundamkyoukai · Aug 25, 2018

MatPiscatella said:
Devs at the big pubs, like everyone else, like hitting their bonus targets more than anything. And those bonus targets are usually around sales figures. And you're not selling the most to those with bleeding edge hardware. It's an important segment, sure, but it ain't everything.

Yep .
I am sure some would love to work fully with the highest end GPUs but the numbers to small to make games for only .
So PS\XB is a middle ground that come out every few years if you into the tech side and companies can also get the sales numbers along with PC.

Deleted member 6730 · Aug 25, 2018

N.Domixis said:
So why not PS4? That console is far more popular in a lot of places where the Xbox brand is not popular. Could help reach more game sales in these places.

It's very unlikely with Nintendo it's downright impossible with Sony for the same reasons. I imagine there's discussions within MS as to where to put their service on but that's it.

fiendcode · Aug 25, 2018

MegaMix said:
It's weird that Capcom isn't fully on board with the Switch. They gave huge support with the Gamecube and Wii.

Capcom banked on Gamecube hard upfront and then backed off fast as it became clear the platform wasn't going anywhere. Wii was the opposite, they slept on it initially and then came back midcycle with better support, but still not near par with the other consoles.

Switch is a bit like Wii early on for Capcom except they're actually porting more stuff to it at a quicker pace.

Kyoufu said:
In comparison to say, PS4, what is the standard at this stage of Switch's lifecycle? From what I recall Capcom were pretty slow to the current gen consoles as well.

Capcom was super slow to move to PS4. Basically every major Japanese 3rd party was, Switch compares favorably even in that regard for nearly all of them (Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Koei Tecmo, Level 5, Marvelous, etc)

Deleted member 1413 · Aug 25, 2018

MegaMix said:
It's weird that Capcom isn't fully on board with the Switch. They gave huge support with the Gamecube and Wii.

It's odd. Feels like the l my thing they had planned for switch pre launch was an over priced Street Fighter 2 HD port which went on sale for $3 on psn the day it was announced.
It didn't even hit launch date, which feels like a huge mistake given how well bomberman sold and there was nothing else outside of Zelda.

3DS got a full current gen street fighter port; ended up selling over 1.5M units (I think one of the best SKUs for that game)
Even Wii U got a MH Tri G port on day one in Japan.
Capcom launched MHXX the same month as Switch, a day 1 port would've likely sold millions vs this weird staggered release

fiendcode said:
Capcom was super slow to move to PS4. Basically every major Japanese 3rd party was, Switch compares favorably even in that regard for nearly all of them (Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Capcom, Sega, Koei Tecmo, Level 5, Marvelous, etc)

There's context to think about.
They showed up to the PS4 reveal event with a new exclusive and a next gen engine. I think they were teasing SFV for PS4 pretty early on.
It's not like they were releasing big games on 360 in favor of PS4

Mama Robotnik · Aug 25, 2018

I know its been said, but its really pleasantly surprising to see Octopath as number one.

I'm really enjoying the experimental games of this generation, where lower-budget, smaller teams are tapping into creative energies that I've felt have been missing from some parts of the industry for a while. With rare exceptions, I'm bored of the AAA mass-market focus-group third-person action template, and when I see a game like Octopath at the top, I feel excitement for where the industry is going.

From the sales figures, I'm glad to see I'm not alone.

StevieP · Aug 25, 2018

Curufinwe said:
No, cause devs also care about sales.

The previous poster said they care about cutting edge tech, which is I guess why the switch is left out? This argument is generations old, and always wrong.

mutantmagnet · Aug 25, 2018

The Switch is as much of cutting edge as the og ps4.

The ps4 shouldn't get a pass on offering middling hardware relative to known pc performance at its pricepoint.

After the n64 the only console to actually be remotely impressive specwise is the xbox one x and it barely achieved that because of the gpu price inflation period.

The only thing for games that is cutting edge is VR and now the rtx gpus.

Slam Tilt · Aug 25, 2018

Saucer said:
Capcom will most definitely have a stronger presence moving forward though imo. They've already had several small successes on the Switch and have a lot of mindshare with nintendo fans.

Prediction: Capcom will keep chasing that sweet PS4 HD honey with new efforts while throwing low-budget efforts and ROM dumps on the Switch to stave off befuddled shareholders. Expecting anything close to actual effort from Capcom on the Switch is folly.

SuperFakerBros · Aug 25, 2018

mutantmagnet said:
The Switch is as much of cutting edge as the og ps4.

The ps4 shouldn't get a pass on offering middling hardware relative to known pc performance at its pricepoint.

After the n64 the only console to actually be remotely impressive specwise is the xbox one x and it barely achieved that because of the gpu price inflation period.

The only thing for games that is cutting edge is VR and now the rtx gpus.

There's also the original Xbox and, as far as portable systems are concerned, the PSP and, to a lesser extent, the Switch and Vita also fit that mold

Deleted member 3769 · Aug 25, 2018

Slam Tilt said:
Prediction: Capcom will keep chasing that sweet PS4 HD honey with new efforts while throwing low-budget efforts and ROM dumps on the Switch to stave off befuddled shareholders. Expecting anything close to actual effort from Capcom on the Switch is folly.

I'll keep my money on other company efforts

KratosEnergyDrink · Aug 25, 2018

Eolz said:
That's likely imo.
The agreement seems to be more a "publish it or we won't bother release it there".

More like, we publish it and get a better share of the profit.

Eolz · Aug 25, 2018

KratosEnergyDrink said:
More like, we publish it and get a better share of the profit.

Maybe now for Octopath. But not really the case for Bravely Default, or many other games.
S-E's lack of support/interest for DQ in the west is telling enough.

xxbrothawizxx · Aug 25, 2018

mutantmagnet said:
The Switch is as much of cutting edge as the og ps4.

The ps4 shouldn't get a pass on offering middling hardware relative to known pc performance at its pricepoint.

After the n64 the only console to actually be remotely impressive specwise is the xbox one x and it barely achieved that because of the gpu price inflation period.

The only thing for games that is cutting edge is VR and now the rtx gpus.

?

If it is offering best in class performance/dollar like a console is supposed to, then yes it should.

You said it yourself. Consoles haven't been stronger since N64 for a reason.

The Switch is more successful than 3DS partially because the same can be said of it as PS4 without a competitor (and diminishing returns).

Sadist said:
Hold up hold up hold up

There is someone actually padding the list of Wii U third party titles with Epic Mickey 2, Ninja Gaiden 3 RE, 007 Legends, Sonic Lost World to make it more impressive? And add stuff like Mass Effect 3, which was scrutinized for being full buck while EA released the trilogy on PS/XB?

If you want to look pure at known brands like AC, Batman, CoD, then yes, those games are still missing. But overall? There is far more available on Switch compared to Wii U.

Sure, there is a ton more software on Switch. But I didn't buy a Switch for a Vita 2. Nintendo's initial pitch wasn't an indie darling. They advertised a console that would allow you to take the big names with you. They're barely delivering.

If those titles are padding the Wii U list, then the Switch 3P list must be an absolute joke. Switch even has its own Mass Effect situation now for crying out loud.

And next time just quote me lol.

Spyder_Monkey said:
Oh so we're doing list wars now?

This is also ridiculous in every way.

Herb Alpert said:
How can we debate about which has the better 3p support between WiiU and switch ?
Seriously this makes no sense

Joseki said:
Mass Effect 3 WiiU used as an example of good 3rd party support.

LMAO.

These are just "Wii U lol" posts and do little to convince me I'm mistaken.

The indie argument is one I can accept, but saying a player looking for console experiences will be completely satisfied with Stardew Valley is just as ridiculous, engaging game or not.

Mysterio79 · Aug 25, 2018

Slam Tilt said:
Prediction: Capcom will keep chasing that sweet PS4 HD honey with new efforts while throwing low-budget efforts and ROM dumps on the Switch to stave off befuddled shareholders. Expecting anything close to actual effort from Capcom on the Switch is folly.

Why do you think Capcom has this attitude towards Nintendo? The truth is there will come a time when all absent publisher's are forced to acknowledge how much money they're leaving on the table with Switch as the install base climbs and we have more successes like Octopath. This isn't even a Wii situation where it was wildly successful but ports couldn't be done and the demographic was vastly different. It's reaching the point of biting off their nose to spite their face.

From Capcom I really just want RE4 anyway :p

Jon Carter · Aug 25, 2018

xxbrothawizxx said:
Sure, there is a ton more software on Switch. But I didn't buy a Switch for a Vita 2.

Eh, the Switch is a lot better than the Vita. The only Western third-party effort that could compare with what we've been getting on the Switch is Need for Speed: Most Wanted. The Switch is getting quite a few high quality current-gen ports with comparatively minor downgrades.

Besides, you also have to look at the scope of the indie games the Switch is getting compared with the Vita. Fast RMX, Yooka-Laylee, Rocket League, Paladins, Fortnite, those are some big games. Definitely console quality.

Renna Hazel · Aug 25, 2018

xxbrothawizxx said:
?

If it is offering best in class performance/dollar like a console is supposed to, then yes it should.

You said it yourself. Consoles haven't been stronger since N64 for a reason.

The Switch is more successful than 3DS partially because the same can be said of it as PS4 without a competitor (and diminishing returns).

Sure, there is a ton more software on Switch. But I didn't buy a Switch for a Vita 2. Nintendo's initial pitch wasn't an indie darling. They advertised a console that would allow you to take the big names with you. They're barely delivering.

If those titles are padding the Wii U list, then the Switch 3P list must be an absolute joke. Switch even has its own Mass Effect situation now for crying out loud.

And next time just quote me lol.

These are just "Wii U lol" posts and do little to convince me I'm mistaken.

The indie argument is one I can accept, but saying a player looking for console experiences will be completely satisfied with Stardew Valley is just as ridiculous, engaging game or not.

It's a Nintendo console and you're getting your Nintendo games, of console quality, on the go. That's what they promised and so far that's what they delivered.

Saint-14 · Aug 25, 2018

CaviarMeths said:
How many Capcom games have you bought on Switch? Sitting at zero here myself, but considering picking up Okami.

Selection is poor. Almost every game you mentioned requires an asterisk.

SF*
*no, not that Street Fighter
RE*
*no, not that Resident Evil
MH*
*no, not that Monster Hunter

I know there's various reasons why SFV, RE7, and MHW are not on Switch, but I don't think it's arguable that Capcom's output on Switch has been pretty below standard, and doesn't seem to be getting much better in the future. Mega Man 11 is a low budget game and currently the only non-remaster Capcom game, released or announced, for Switch.

So you just want their biggest AAA games, almost everyone is below standards if that's what counts.

Oregano · Aug 25, 2018

Saint-14 said:
So you just want their biggest AAA games, almost everyone is below standards if that's what counts.

That's not really wrong...

But it's not necessarily about AAA releases, as CaviarMeths said Mega Man 11 is going to be the first *new* game they release on Switch almost 2 years after it launched.

Saint-14 · Aug 25, 2018

Oregano said:
That's not really wrong...

But it's not necessarily about AAA releases, as CaviarMeths said Mega Man 11 is going to be the first *new* game they release on Switch almost 2 years after it launched.

What have they made other than their big AAA games? There is really nothing new they could put on Switch currently.

SuperFakerBros · Aug 25, 2018

Saint-14 said:
What have they made other than their big AAA games? There is really nothing new they could put on Switch currently.

I'd argue that there are a few that they can, just not all of them, but, really, at this point, we're just beating a dead horse. We're getting wildly off topic as it is

Oregano · Aug 25, 2018

Saint-14 said:
What have they made other than their big AAA games? There is really nothing new they could put on Switch currently.

That's somewhat circular logic. They've only made the games they're not releasing on Switch so they haven't released anything on Switch.

The obvious answer is for them to have made something on Switch.

Herb Alpert · Aug 25, 2018

Capcom new strategy is to compete with the big boys in the AAA market
Switch has no place in this strategy and their ressources are limited.
Don't expect any serious effort.

Saint-14 · Aug 25, 2018

Oregano said:
That's somewhat circular logic. They've only made the games they're not releasing on Switch so they haven't released anything on Switch.

The obvious answer is for them to have made something on Switch.

Well they have but only new releases count and those take time.

Deleted member 1413 · Aug 25, 2018

xxbrothawizxx said:
Sure, there is a ton more software on Switch. But I didn't buy a Switch for a Vita 2. Nintendo's initial pitch wasn't an indie darling. They advertised a console that would allow you to take the big names with you. They're barely delivering.

Vita's issue is that it could barely handle PS3 era ports and that Sony wasn't supporting it much. Even if it's a port heavy year, console games like Smash Ultimate, Mario tennis, Pokémon, Mario Party, and others like the two DLC expansions seem like better support than Vita's best years.

It's also not like Nintendo will drop it in a year from now since that's their only platform now

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