I get being fatigued by actul hateful, malcious, shitty people getting away with their behaviours.
I believe given all information this is not one of those times.
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Someone gets a NASA Internship and then loses it over twitter
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I get being fatigued by actul hateful, malcious, shitty people getting away with their behaviours.
I believe given all information this is not one of those times.
Petty is trying to blame Homer for this girls attitude.
Anyway I'll stop quoting you so you can stan in peace.
Never did that.
Not stanning.
This seems like a lesson learned happy end story. I think people who harassed Homer are terrible but im not sure why we are still talking about this other than trying to relitigate the tweets that caused all of this to justify terrible etiquette on social media.
You're just here to antagonize and use intellectually dishonest arguments and comparisons?
Pretty sure the mix of these things, and some alone, is agains the ToS regarding conducgt with others.
Exactly.
Plus the language was directed at the individual, not in general.
Well, to even have this work in her favor would require luck, as you noted, because the rule of thumb of the world is that making an ass of yourself in a way that involves your employer means you lose opportunities with that employer. Of course, no one is denying that what happened here is a display of good humanity, but rather that there's no reason for her to have been extended the offer in lieu of societal precedent. Maybe times are changing; maybe we should all get the opportunity to fuck up at least once in this manner.
I hope that's not the case. If I was an intern there who wasn't an asshole, I'd be pissed.
Of course, and increasingly these days people are finding that they're being held accountable for what they say, which is fine. But there are degrees. This is why I think the hard line stance some people have here is kind of misplaced in this case. We have someone who was rude and abrasive and not just to anyone, but in karmic fashion, to one of the worst people she possibly could have been. It's a poignant reminder to be decent in general. And whether she meant it all to happen or not, she lost what was expected by everyone involved. But even sifting the intent aside, we have this apology that was apparently sincere enough to not just be accepted but get this guy in her corner fighting for her. Hickam may just be a gentleman, but owning up to your mistake and apologizing properly to the other person has to count for something. Is the general social precedent to never be given a second chance? I do think second shots are perfectly warranted (though not expected) if the person genuinely gets that they screwed up and apologize/try to better. Yes, it's satisfying to see asshole behavior met so poetically, but shouldn't we be celebrating a jerk seeing what their actions net AND becoming a better person for it rather than just another jerk getting tagged and doing the equivalent of the youtube sigh? This seems like a good outcome for a bad thing for a change.
She's not a better person, she just apologized when she realized the magnitude of what her fuck up cost her. She's still friends with terrible people who harassed an actually good person off Twitter and she even got a job out of it all.
It's only a "happy ending" if you're one of those sadass performative "progressives" who think anything bad that happens to an old white dude is great
It's only a "happy ending" if you're one of those sadass performative "progressives" who think anything bad that happens to an old white dude is great
Her apology was apparently enough to impress the guy she was a dick to that he not only forgave her but has since been pushing for her to get a job there. That doesn't say anything? For a 'better person', I mean someone who gets a good long look at what their actions did, acknowledges that, and will presumably grow from the experience, which I don't think is an unreasonable assumption for something this big. My 'happy ending' is less pointlessly bad shit, people learning, net social good, etc.
I don't see her falling upward and Hickman being harassed off twitter by her friends/fellow furries coming out as a net social good.
So you don't think Hickam's judgement counts for anything here? Is it wrong to let someone who did something shitty have another chance if the person they wronged forgives them and supports them in it? What would be the ideal outcome here then, in your opinion?
She did something rude and stupid, and out of respect for those interns who have not made asses of themselves she should not get something even better than she had before - regardless of whether her apology was sincere. A very poor precedent to set if that is how it ended.
Without knowing more I can't judge if her apology was sincere, or if she has truly learned her lesson. Being rewarded would make me have doubts that she has really internalized any good lesson here.
Without knowing more I can't judge if her apology was sincere, or if she has truly learned her lesson. Being rewarded would make me have doubts that she has really internalized any good lesson here.
I'm not saying his judgement doesn't count or that people don't deserve second chances, I'm saying you can't call how this played out a net positive because it's not due to what happened to Hickam.
I'm sure she's learned not to randomly insult people without at least clicking their profiles first at least.
A lot of people don't recognize that her being rewarded with another, apparently better, job means somebody else doesn't get that job.
We can only really go off of what Hickam himself said in the OP. Apparently he believed it and was impressed to think it would be a loss to not let her have another go. As he's the wronged party here, I think he's in the best position to decide what should be done with her in regards to NASA opportunities. I don't think she's being rewarded for bad behavior (damned lucky, though), but as you say, we can't tell at this point if she's actually learned any lessons, especially if she does see it that way.
I think we're just thinking of net positive in different way. I see a crappy situation that could have just ended with her getting canned, him still being gone, and a feeling of once again pointless abuse and idiocy reigning supreme on social media. That they were able to talk and Hickam got a proper apology makes me feel like something moved forward at least, that's all. And you're absolutely right. That's probably the only lesson we can really be sure of that she learned. Hopefully there's more, though.
From his initial letter, that's probably more him feeling bad for her for it blowing up and her losing it, where he could even be feeling guilty over his name making her lose it. I don't think its anything about impressing him. It felt like it was just supposed to be a small little "correction" turned into a nationwide event.
The ideal outcome is probably what is happening now. She is taking a hiatus from social media, possibly still getting her internship back, while learning a pretty important lesson a shit load of people still need to learn. Do I feel sorry for her or try to excuse her? No. She dug the hole herself. Do I think she need to be scorn from earth? No, why would her getting a position back hurt me in anyway? It's between her and NASA. So what if this is a case of her falling up. It has no effect on me.
So you think his judgement overrides that a bad act is being promoted?
if hickman gets her a better job then honestly he can suck my dick and balls
It was the part in his response where he said that after talking with her he felt certain she deserved a position and would do all that he could to secure her something. That's above and beyond for just an apology accepted. Maybe he does feel a little guilty and that's driving it, but it sounded liked they'd talked shop too. Bit of both?
What bad act is being promoted? She herself? She deservedly lost the internship and apologized. He accepted it and after talking still felt like she had something to offer. I don't think him forgiving her and giving her another chance says that he thinks that behavior was acceptable or promotes it, just that he was kind enough to give someone another go. Time will tell if she actually deserves it.
He should have sat there and ate his rice without resorting to imperialist linguistic prescriptivism
glad there was a happy ending for everyone involved besides people on message boards who cape for old white men above all else I guess
We're seriously thinking this dude goes above and beyond to get an intern re-hired to an actual job offer because he feels sorry for her??? This isn't McDonalds... this is NASA we're talking about here, you don't just get a job offer because someone felt sorry for you. Especially an intern who may or may not be long term.
Yes, this sounds like the intelligence level of a Nicki stan
Because I think it was based on the apology/whatever they talked about afterward, not the action that led to it. Do you think potential NASA employees are going to be more abusive/vulgar/careless now because he did? I don't think that's the takeaway lesson here (seems more of a cautionary story now than anything), though as I've said, I think she was damned lucky. No one else is going to expect that to happen again. I imagine it'll be a sore point for many aerospace employees and she'll have to do a lot to earn their trust and make up for it. And good, she should.
Then why you are you wearing that shiny two-tone wig taking furries
TO FREEDOM?!?!
Anyway though, she reached out to him and apologized once she realized who he was so it seems like she didn't feel Iike he was colonizing her TL all like that
To me, a second chance implies another shot at the same thing that would otherwise be unobtainable. She's not getting another chance at the same NASA internship. She's getting a red carpet welcome into a completely different job outright courtesy of one of the most respected people of her field. It's a Cinderella story if Cinderella was a sailor-mouthed furry versus an actual victim of societal forces beyond her control. On top of that, her credentials are such that even if she were barred from the internship, she would be guaranteed a high paying job in something. And given that she pulled this stunt under an anonymous furry account, she's relatively safer than normal from look-ups.
I think that's part of what is contributing to my annoyance with the whole matter. Everyone is acting like her life would have been completely ruined had he not extended the offer to her. Again, good on homeboy for being nice, but I'm not particularly impressed given how harsh I know adult life to be to people who show their asses to important people.
Must be nice to be her.
Your posts on this subject are all over the place depending on the person you're quoting and what you're being asked though. I think she was lucky too so we can agree there.
The fuck. Is this satire or sarcasm?
I don't get it either, is it so hard to be a decent human being in your professional and social circle? Then same people complain that they can't get a job and that job market requires at least master's degree to work at fast food joint.
Good on him for pulling his strings to make sure she and her dumb friends won't ruin her chance at a great сareer. I just hope she learned her lesson and will be more humble and professional in future. Also find a better circle of friends.
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Arguably, they are making the point of giving furries their own moon. That's quite the triumph.
Idk why people are saying that she didn't know who it was like that makes it okay. Even if it was a random, you shouldn't be tellin people to suck your dick and balls like that ESPECIALLY if you're going to use your employer's name in the same thread. Shit's dumb as fuck.
Twilight Sparkle would in no way approve of what these people are doing. I thought friendship was magic, not harassing a senior citizen.
What makes you think that other person is more deserving of the job?
Are you suggesting that Homer is going to get her a job she's not well qualified for based on the fact that she swore at him on Twitter? You must really think he's a moron.
If she didn't associate herself with NASA, she can say whatever she wants. But if she mentions NASA and her employment there, then the dynamic changes and she needs to be aware that she represents them for better or worse as an employee. Not literally like a spokesman or CEO would, but metaphorically speaking.
You ever see a take so bad that it makes you want to take a lap?
When a generation grows up with social media and just blowing complete strangers up for slights is normalized, you're going to get a lot of this in the future.
Losing your job for having a record on the internet for being an asshole is not just for racist white dumbasses anymore.
Why are you asking me a question and then answering it?
I'm saying they're more deserving because they don't do what she did.
One thing about rocket science is that rockets don't care if you tell them to suck your dick and balls
Okay, feel free to pretend there aren't other equally qualified candidates applying for that job that don't pull this shit.
Yeah, I feel you. I'm sure there are plenty of people, people who have been decent and professional for no other reason than that's how you should act, who deserve opportunities like this far more. I certainly don't think her life would have been ruined or anything. She didn't kill anyone, she was just a rude idiot. Any hurdles she got from that she could overcome with effort. Hope she sees that and appreciates what she got.
? The luck part I mentioned a few times before having to do with Hickam being even willing to listen to her. I'm not saying I think luck was purely what pulled her out of the hole. I think whatever she said when speaking to him did the trick. But I definitely agree that it played a part.
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