Microsoft Studios |OT2| The Best Is Yet To Come

gremlinz1982 · Aug 24, 2018

Ascenion said:
No I mean how would Microsoft go to Nvidia and Intel for a console. Wouldn't it need to be one or the other?

No.

They went for an IBM power PC custom CPU and a GPU designed by ATI on the Xbox 360.
On the original Xbox they went for an intel pentium III based CPU and an Nvidia graphics card.

There is nothing that stops them from going to different vendors for a CPU and GPU, or looking to custom solutions either.

The Xbox One was the first time that Microsoft have gone for a CPU and GPU from the same vendor. I believe that is the same case with Sony.

Camonna Tong · Aug 24, 2018

Intel/NVidia is more expensive and screwed Microsoft over back with the original Xbox, so I would be surprised if they go back to them.

Seeing as Microsoft seems to be customizing the chipsets themselves, I'd say that is a better move with AMD than NVidia. It'll also be easier for BW/C if they stay on AMD.

pswii60 · Aug 24, 2018

Camonna Tong said:
Intel/NVidia is more expensive and screwed Microsoft over back with the original Xbox, so I would be surprised if they go back to them.

Seeing as Microsoft seems to be customizing the chipsets themselves, I'd say that is a better move with AMD than NVidia. It'll also be easier for BW/C if they stay on AMD.

The original Xbox began development at least 19 years ago. It's been a very long time since that agreement with Nvidia.

Starlatine · Aug 24, 2018

That people always go "MICROSOFT GOING THIRD PARTY OMG" when they talk about other platforms is so tiresome. There are a fucktons of other platforms out there not called switch and PlayStation (specially in Mobile, household electronics and even other PC systems) and these are the ones Microsoft is targeting.

m23 · Aug 24, 2018

I turned on Forza Horizon 3 after a long while and notice that the game was very dim. A quick google search shows that this is a common issue and that a patch was released earlier this year to fix this. Why do I still have this problem? Can anyone help?

Klobrille · Aug 24, 2018

Starlatine said:
That people always go "MICROSOFT GOING THIRD PARTY OMG" when they talk about other platforms is so tiresome. There are a fucktons of other platforms out there not called switch and PlayStation (specially in Mobile, household electronics and even other PC systems) and these are the ones Microsoft is targeting.

The majority of the people don't game on either Xbox, Playstation or Switch. This is just the wrong place here on the internet to tell that :)

Camonna Tong · Aug 24, 2018

pswii60 said:
The original Xbox began development at least 19 years ago. It's been a very long time since that agreement with Nvidia.

I would say that still is a factor. This isn't just some small thing they're factoring in, if they think there's any possibility of them getting screwed over again, it's off. They don't want to get screwed, even a bit, when selling millions of consoles.

NVidia and Intel are expensive anyways, and this is coming from a fan.

Still, price is probably the biggest indicator.

m23 said:
I turned on Forza Horizon 3 after a long while and notice that the game was very dim. A quick google search shows that this is a common issue and that a patch was released earlier this year to fix this. Why do I still have this problem? Can anyone help?

Check if the game is actually updated, if it is, typically what can fix those situations is completely reinstalling the game. The first Vermintide was broken for me with server errors, but I reinstalled it and that fixed it.

A quick way to check last time your game was updated is to go to the game under my games and apps, push the back/select/change view button, and then on the game itself that is listed under your HDD (internal or external), press RB, LB, and the back button at the same time. Your last update date will be shown on there.

Deleted member 3897 · Aug 24, 2018

Next month I will be playing, what hopefully will be the greatest racing game of this generation. Goddammn Im fucking hyped. Im just crossing my fingers that the windows store won't shit the bed.

WhoCaresLtsPlay · Aug 24, 2018

OneBadMutha said:
If Microsoft and Sony release in the same year, it's hard to imagine either having a considerable advantage unless one company has a $400 console while the other has a $500 console with slightly better stuff. Power for cost from the same manufacturer isn't going to vary much.

Or... maybe one costs $400 and the other $35 a month with online multiplayer and acces to a catalogue of more than 100 (maybe by then more than 200?) ;)

Camonna Tong said:
Intel/NVidia is more expensive and screwed Microsoft over back with the original Xbox, so I would be surprised if they go back to them.

Seeing as Microsoft seems to be customizing the chipsets themselves, I'd say that is a better move with AMD than NVidia. It'll also be easier for BW/C if they stay on AMD.

Even if the total is higher...
Xbox All Access...
Also, apparently Intel convinced MS to put their processors in the Surface https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/24/17776668/intel-microsoft-surface-go-arm-processor-choice
So maybe the relationship (We should remember that was a loong time ago and there's been CEO changes etc...) is not that bad nowadays.
Intel has also said that he plans to reenter gaming in 2020 https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-gaming-gpu/
Maybe the argument they gave MS to put Intel in the Surface was better prices for the Scarlett and we see a fully Intel console, who knows?
And the BC argument I don't think it really exists.
The BC team has managed to have games of both previous generations running even better in this one.
I don't think that would pose any kind of trouble to that team

CrimsonEclipse · Aug 24, 2018

fantomena said:
Next month I will be playing, what hopefully will be the greatest racing game of this generation. Goddammn Im fucking hyped. Im just crossing my fingers that the windows store won't shit the bed.

I think we are in a for a threat. I will be highly surprised and suspicious if FH4 isn't critically acclaimed, looking to be beyond FH3. I can't wait myself.

Deleted member 3897 · Aug 24, 2018

CrimsonEclipse said:
I think we are in a for a threat. I will be highly surprised and suspicious if FH4 isn't critically acclaimed, looking to be beyond FH3. I can't wait myself.

The only thing Im afraid of is that FH4 won't be as "varied" as FH3 in terms of environments as I really enjoyed Australia and Im not sure how the UK is different compared to Australia.

thomasmahler · Aug 24, 2018

vorimenn said:
How many people (approximately) are working in Moon Studios now?

We're 50 people from 34 different countries now, but we're working on two projects simultaneously:)

Dokkaebi G0SU · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We're 50 people from 34 different countries now, but we're working on two projects simultaneously:)

I want to thank you and your teams hard work on creating these wonderful games! Ori is a treasure! Good luck on your other project ;)

yankeeh8er · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We're 50 people from 34 different countries now, but we're working on two projects simultaneously:)

It is crazy that 50 people can make 2 games at the same time when you see stories about some studios have teams of over 300 people working on a single title.

Raider34 · Aug 24, 2018

Maybe they are going intel https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...and-amd-are-teaming-up-at-intel/#7fab63d241fe

m23 · Aug 24, 2018

yankeeh8er said:
It is crazy that 50 people can make 2 games at the same time when you see stories about some studios have teams of over 300 people working on a single title.

To be fair, there is a difference in scale between those types of games.

Camonna Tong said:
Check if the game is actually updated, if it is, typically what can fix those situations is completely reinstalling the game. The first Vermintide was broken for me with server errors, but I reinstalled it and that fixed it.

A quick way to check last time your game was updated is to go to the game under my games and apps, push the back/select/change view button, and then on the game itself that is listed under your HDD (internal or external), press RB, LB, and the back button at the same time. Your last update date will be shown on there.

Thanks, but I just re-installed it 2 days ago, so it should be up to date. Will check again tonight though.

CrimsonEclipse · Aug 24, 2018

fantomena said:
The only thing Im afraid of is that FH4 won't be as "varied" as FH3 in terms of environments as I really enjoyed Australia and Im not sure how the UK is different compared to Australia.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. Though, I think that the seasons might actually add more immersion even, everything will look different even if the land itself isn't changing.

Theorry · Aug 24, 2018

Klobrille played Ashen at GC? I keep asking haha.

WhoCaresLtsPlay · Aug 24, 2018

Wait, wait...
Was it known that you had 2 projects? (Well, by you obviously hahaha I'm asking here in general)
I want to know more!
I know Ori and the Will of the Wisps is not out yet but it'll be, and eventually and with all the pain in my heart I'll finish it and have to move on, so I'll need more games from you! Hahaha

Camonna Tong · Aug 24, 2018

WhoCaresLtsPlay said:
Or... maybe one costs $400 and the other $35 a month with online multiplayer and acces to a catalogue of more than 100 (maybe by then more than 200?) ;)

Even if the total is higher...
Xbox All Access...
Also, apparently Intel convinced MS to put their processors in the Surface https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/24/17776668/intel-microsoft-surface-go-arm-processor-choice
So maybe the relationship (We should remember that was a loong time ago and there's been CEO changes etc...) is not that bad nowadays.
Intel has also said that he plans to reenter gaming in 2020 https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-gaming-gpu/
Maybe the argument they gave MS to put Intel in the Surface was better prices for the Scarlett and we see a fully Intel console, who knows?
And the BC argument I don't think it really exists.
The BC team has managed to have games of both previous generations running even better in this one.
I don't think that would pose any kind of trouble to that team

The BC argument definitely exists. Even with a different chipset it's easier to go from AMD to AMD because of similar technologies and whatnot. The issue isn't as much with software emulation but hardware emulation which is most likely how Xbox One games will be handled with the Scarlett. Software emulation for the 360 and Original Xbox will still probably be tweaked as well as Microsoft tweaked those games for the Xbox One.

I doubt Microsoft and Sony will go for Software emulation for the PS4 and Xbox One as Software emulation is much more taxing. A switch from AMD to Intel could very well put a halt in hardware emulation. Though it's entirely possible Microsoft could solve that on-board.

The whole reason Sony and Microsoft went for the same, but better tech for their mid-gen upgrades had to do with compatibility.

For the total cost, I don't think All Access will be much of a factor in it (unless they're willing to bet on $500 consoles because of All Access). Honestly, I think the Scarlett will cost more than the PS5, and that Microsoft is willing to lose money on the hardware at launch. Game Pass and bringing more and more into the ecosystem will get them more money in the long run anyways. Sales of software are the biggest money maker anyways, and sales of hardware lead to that.

Chris. · Aug 24, 2018

WhoCaresLtsPlay said:
Wait, wait...
Was it known that you had 2 projects? (Well, by you obviously hahaha I'm asking here in general)
I want to know more!
I know Ori and the Will of the Wisps is not out yet but it'll be, and eventually and with all the pain in my heart I'll finish it and have to move on, so I'll need more games from you! Hahaha

Yeah it's been known they're working on 2 projects

christocolus · Aug 24, 2018

fantomena said:
Next month I will be playing, what hopefully will be the greatest racing game of this generation. Goddammn Im fucking hyped. Im just crossing my fingers that the windows store won't shit the bed.

Yea, a lot of great games next month. FH4, SOTR , SM :)

WhoCaresLtsPlay · Aug 24, 2018

AllenSports said:
Maybe they are going intel https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasone...and-amd-are-teaming-up-at-intel/#7fab63d241fe

HoHoHoHo Raja Koduri looking for vengeance? We'll if they make a SoC we know he'll be motivated hahaha

Camonna Tong said:
The BC argument definitely exists. Even with a different chipset it's easier to go from AMD to AMD because of similar technologies and whatnot. The issue isn't as much with software emulation but hardware emulation which is most likely how Xbox One games will be handled with the Scarlett. Software emulation for the 360 and Original Xbox will still probably be tweaked as well as Microsoft tweaked those games for the Xbox One.

I doubt Microsoft and Sony will go for Software emulation for the PS4 and Xbox One as Software emulation is much more taxing. A switch from AMD to Intel could very well put a halt in hardware emulation. Though it's entirely possible Microsoft could solve that on-board.

The whole reason Sony and Microsoft went for the same, but better tech for their mid-gen upgrades had to do with compatibility.

For the total cost, I don't think All Access will be much of a factor in it (unless they're willing to bet on $500 consoles because of All Access). Honestly, I think the Scarlett will cost more than the PS5, and that Microsoft is willing to lose money on the hardware at launch. Game Pass and bringing more and more into the ecosystem will get them more money in the long run anyways. Sales of software are the biggest money maker anyways, and sales of hardware lead to that.

First Xbox wasn't AMD wasn't it?
Also... saying that MS and Sony chose AMD for compatibility... that doesn't work for both examples the same
I still think they can come up with something for BC and if they choose to emulate, if they can emulate the One, maybe that emulator can run the other? Have no idea, just trying to guess what can be done hahah
If they emulate the One they'll be emulating the base one, not the X and then maybe it's possible that "upgrade them" like with current X enhanced?
For the rest pretty much I agree with what you say

christocolus · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We're 50 people from 34 different countries now, but we're working on two projects simultaneously:)

Nice. I wish you guys the best.

Deleted member 3897 · Aug 24, 2018

christocolus said:
Yea, a lot of great games next month. FH4, SOTR , SM :)

Something funny is that I found FH2 very boring, then I played FH3 which was amazingly fun, so I went back to FH2 again and then it clicked for me.

Will be getting Spidey since it releases first and then FH4. Wherever I get Tomb Raider will be about how long time it takes me to get through Spider-Man. Like, I use quite some time to get through a game, even "smaller" 8-10 hours games. So if Spidey keeps me going until FH4 I won't grab TR until, I guess, next year because after FH4 releases there will be a constant stream of games that have a higher priority for me than Tomb Raider, sadly.

Camonna Tong · Aug 24, 2018

WhoCaresLtsPlay said:
HoHoHoHo Raja Koduri looking for vengeance? We'll if they make a SoC we know he'll be motivated hahaha

First Xbox wasn't AMD wasn't it?
Also... saying that MS and Sony chose AMD for compatibility... that doesn't work for both examples the same
I still think they can come up with something for BC and if they choose to emulate, if they can emulate the One, maybe that emulator can run the other? Have no idea, just trying to guess what can be done hahah
If they emulate the One they'll be emulating the base one, not the X and then maybe it's possible that "upgrade them" like with current X enhanced?
For the rest pretty much I agree with what you say

First Xbox wasn't AMD no, but that's where the software compatibility comes in.

Mark Cerny said that the reason why everything was mostly the same in the Pro, and why they didn't get a better CPU had to do with compatibility. I'm pretty sure Microsoft said similar things somewhere. Keep in mind these were mid-tier, so it makes sense from a developmental perspective too.

Anyways, as I said before, software emulation is very taxing. Only reason the Xbox One could do 360 games was because the compatibility was on the SoC (textures and whatnot) if I recall. Then again, if next-gen's CPUs are really great, it probably won't be as bad. CPU is what counts the most when emulating anyways.

WhoCaresLtsPlay · Aug 24, 2018

Camonna Tong said:
First Xbox wasn't AMD no, but that's where the software compatibility comes in.

Mark Cerny said that the reason why everything was mostly the same in the Pro, and why they didn't get a better CPU had to do with compatibility. I'm pretty sure Microsoft said similar things somewhere. Keep in mind these were mid-tier, so it makes sense from a developmental perspective too.

Anyways, as I said before, software emulation is very taxing. Only reason the Xbox One could do 360 games was because the compatibility was on the SoC (textures and whatnot) if I recall. Then again, if next-gen's CPUs are really great, it probably won't be as bad. CPU is what counts the most when emulating anyways.

That's what came to my mind first.
For a mid-gen refresh, having to figure out BC with different components of course wouldn't have been an option.
But if it's a new gen where you start building a system anew, I'm sure you can make said system better at BC at the hardware level, and seeing the push they made for BC and how many kudos points they've earned with it I'm sure they'll go for full compatibility(or as full as possible because of licenses etc... like currently)
I can't wait to see what they come up with

thomasmahler · Aug 24, 2018

Samurai G0SU said:
I want to thank you and your teams hard work on creating these wonderful games! Ori is a treasure! Good luck on your other project ;)

We make them to make you folks happy! I can't wait to see what the response is once you guys get to play Will of the Wisps! :))

solis74 · Aug 24, 2018

Theorry said:

great!

MosquitoSmasher · Aug 24, 2018

Noticed some PS4 Pro DMCV video on YouTube. And recently also saw some Shadow of the Tomb Raider Pro footage. This is while MS clearly has deals with SE and Capcom. Has MS down with these kinds of things and just letting them showcase the other version too? Which would be cool actually. It's definitely something that used to be quite different.

vorimenn · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We're 50 people from 34 different countries now, but we're working on two projects simultaneously:)

Thank you for your response! :)

When we can see some first details about your second project?

Deleted member 18951 · Aug 24, 2018

vorimenn said:
Thank you for your response! :)

When we can see some first details about your second project?

Let them get Will of the Wisps out the way first, eh.

jobbe1978 · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We make them to make you folks happy! I can't wait to see what the response is once you guys get to play Will of the Wisps! :))

For me Will of the Wisps will be a day 1 purchase. Artists like you and your studio deserve all my money!

Congrats again guys and keep up the excellent work!

Dancrane212 · Aug 24, 2018

Speaking of Will of the Wisps: I noticed the tentative pricing for the retail edition has been pulled from most retailers, but the listings themselves remain.

Looking near certain for a disc release at this point.

Camonna Tong · Aug 24, 2018

Hmm, I've not been one to truly trust LinkedIn, but I find it strange that Playground Games has went down about 10 employees this month. It was 173 on the 3rd, and now it's 164.

Still, as I said before, I don't completely trust LinkedIn for official numbers (can be incredibly inaccurate for multiple reasons). So PG's numbers could be anything really. I've seen multiple employees that are complete BS for game studios. Here's an example.

It's entirely possible that the 9 PG "lost" were actually falsified anyways and never worked at PG.

By the way, does anyone remember LoTR: The Third Age? That was a fantastic game. I fell in love with that game because of the customization foremost.

vorimenn · Aug 24, 2018

Dancrane212 said:
Speaking of Will of the Wisps: I noticed the tentative pricing for the retail edition has been pulled from most retailers, but the listings themselves remain.

Looking near certain for a disc release at this point.

Hopefully it'll be released normally reatil on the disc on day one and everywhere. Not like first Ori with Definitive Edition and only in the USA.

Samuel Tolbert · Aug 24, 2018

thomasmahler said:
We make them to make you folks happy! I can't wait to see what the response is once you guys get to play Will of the Wisps! :))

Will of the Wisps was one of the best games I played at E3. Incredible how many improvements you guys have already made. Looking forward to the full release!

Klobrille · Aug 24, 2018

Theorry said:
Klobrille played Ashen at GC? I keep asking haha.

No, sorry.

JINX · Aug 24, 2018

Camonna Tong said:
Hmm, I've not been one to truly trust LinkedIn, but I find it strange that Playground Games has went down about 10 employees this month. It was 173 on the 3rd, and now it's 164.

Still, as I said before, I don't completely trust LinkedIn for official numbers (can be incredibly inaccurate for multiple reasons). So PG's numbers could be anything really. I've seen multiple employees that are complete BS for game studios. Here's an example.

It's entirely possible that the 9 PG "lost" were actually falsified anyways and never worked at PG.

By the way, does anyone remember LoTR: The Third Age? That was a fantastic game. I fell in love with that game because of the customization foremost.

It can be very far off at times, for example The Coalition only has 54 employees apparently lol. https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-coalition-studio

Klobrille · Aug 24, 2018

Camonna Tong said:
Hmm, I've not been one to truly trust LinkedIn, but I find it strange that Playground Games has went down about 10 employees this month. It was 173 on the 3rd, and now it's 164.

Still, as I said before, I don't completely trust LinkedIn for official numbers (can be incredibly inaccurate for multiple reasons). So PG's numbers could be anything really. I've seen multiple employees that are complete BS for game studios. Here's an example.

It's entirely possible that the 9 PG "lost" were actually falsified anyways and never worked at PG.

By the way, does anyone remember LoTR: The Third Age? That was a fantastic game. I fell in love with that game because of the customization foremost.

That's because it's a Microsoft company now and some employees changed it to Microsoft. In general the numbers aren't accurate for any first-party studio since besides Rare. This has probably to do with their separate working structure. It's still a good indicator.

HBC_XL · Aug 24, 2018

I have to agree with his opinion. There seems to be mixed-messaging with this game - on one hand, I understand not showing us something if it's not new, but on the other, we've been told it's basically done and skipping Fall because of how crowded it is.

I LOVE CD - ran through it again when it became back-compat - but is this destined to be a dumpster-fire game? I just don't get why they didn't use GC to show it.

tl;dw for the video - why did we get a deep dive into PUBG 1.0 and Halo: Raven Assault (which won't even have mass reach) and zero for CD3?

Rodeo Clown · Aug 24, 2018

HalfBlackCanadian said:
tl;dw for the video - why did we get a deep dive into PUBG 1.0 and Halo: Raven Assault (which won't even have mass reach) and zero for CD3?

Because it's still six months away from release. They didn't really start marketing Sea of Thieves until four months before, when they released the beta in December and, really, later than that when the finally let people stream it. State of Decay wasn't seen until two months or so from release when they had the IGN First.

They'll market Crackdown. It'll just be an IGN First or on Inside Xbox in December or January. I get the disappointment, but the only games they market far in advance anymore are Halo and Gears of War, as you saw with them having both on stage this year with no date for either. (At least they gave a year for Gears 5?)

vorimenn · Aug 24, 2018

So, maybe we will some Crackdown 3 on Paris Games Week? Then we will have November with time for playing. Then December with The Game Awards and another opportunity to show this game. After that will be January with next time for playing. And… 22 February* with releasing of Crackdown 3, Metro Exodus, Anthem and Days Gone.

Summarizing. Microsoft Studios has a two big events to show this game and preview with some beta/s for example.

* or 4 days earlier if they will release Ultimate Edition as well.

Maneil99 · Aug 24, 2018

vorimenn said:
So, maybe we will some Crackdown 3 on Paris Games Week? Then we will have November with time for playing. Then December with The Game Awards and another opportunity to show this game. After that will be January with next time for playing. And… 22 February* with releasing of Crackdown 3, Metro Exodus, Anthem and Days Gone.

Summarizing. Microsoft Studios has a two big events to show this game and preview with some beta/s for example.

* or 4 days earlier if they will release Ultimate Edition as well.

I'd imagine they'd be featured on IGN first

Hawk269 · Aug 24, 2018

This will not happen and I want to be clear about that.....but if in an alternate universe, MS announces a Xbox One X Elite that has a 2TB HDD and a Ryzen CPU instead of the Jaguar and it comes out this holiday, would anyone of you buy it? This of course would include patches for games to take advantage of the better CPU, mainly getting games to higher/stable frame rates? Just curious what some of you would think if such a thing were to come out?

Betty · Aug 24, 2018

HalfBlackCanadian said:
I have to agree with his opinion. There seems to be mixed-messaging with this game - on one hand, I understand not showing us something if it's not new, but on the other, we've been told it's basically done and skipping Fall because of how crowded it is.

I LOVE CD - ran through it again when it became back-compat - but is this destined to be a dumpster-fire game? I just don't get why they didn't use GC to show it.

tl;dw for the video - why did we get a deep dive into PUBG 1.0 and Halo: Raven Assault (which won't even have mass reach) and zero for CD3?

It's out in February though, it's not like you'll have long to wait to see the finished product.

I think it'll be exactly what it looked like it would be the past few E3's, the destruction tech in multiplayer will absolutely not be anywhere close to as impressive as anyone would like and overall it'll be a okay game, nothing more.

Klobrille · Aug 24, 2018

How would you feel if they used the additional time to add a real story and writing to Crackdown 3? Not something like in CD1/2, but something more meaningful that connects the bosses and activities.

Hawk269 · Aug 24, 2018

Klobrille said:
How would you feel if they used the additional time to add a real story and writing to Crackdown 3? Not something like in CD1/2, but something more meaningful that connects the bosses and activities.

Go on....

What do you know buddy/pal???? lol

Samuel Tolbert · Aug 24, 2018

Klobrille said:
How would you feel if they used the additional time to add a real story and writing to Crackdown 3? Not something like in CD1/2, but something more meaningful that connects the bosses and activities.

That would be awesome, as long as it still suited the over-the-top nature of the game.

OneBadMutha · Aug 24, 2018

Klobrille said:
How would you feel if they used the additional time to add a real story and writing to Crackdown 3? Not something like in CD1/2, but something more meaningful that connects the bosses and activities.

All aboard!

I'm still hopeful that Crackdown turns the corner and does well. It would be good for anyone gaming on the Microsoft platform for Microsoft to see a payoff for sticking with a troubled project, doubling down on it and making it hit.

They have a charismatic lead. Would be cool if they could build a story and world build a little bit. Create some hope the franchise continues.

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