Someone gets a NASA Internship and then loses it over twitter

Easy_D · Aug 24, 2018

Still got people shitting on her despite the guy not only forgiving her, but deciding to help her out lmao. Get off your high horses

Community rushing to bash the guy is bad. Community rushing to bash her is also bad.
This was between the two of them and that particular bit was resolved, everyone not directly involved should just chill.

Nepenthe · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
Nothing.

Given the context though, I think it's very silly to get all righteous/absolutist about this specific instance.

I've already said that I wouldn't have minded her getting another shot at the same internship. But that's not what's happening for her.

The Adder · Aug 24, 2018

Mr. Fantastic said:
calling this nepotism seems a bit much, he barely even knows the girl

well he did write a book bro, not totally weird you'd know of him

Yeah, but he and his book critical figures in neither my line of work nor my field of study. The same cannot be said for someone looking to intern at NASA.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Nepenthe said:
I've already said that I wouldn't have minded her getting another shot at the same internship. But that's not what's happening for her.

So you're just upset that she seems to be being rewarded instead of punished?

Can you not accept that the decision makers, upon susequent communicaiton, believe her to be a valuable prospect? Or do you think that her actiosn require punishment, in that regardless of her subsequent behaviour she should not be given anythign higher than an internship?

WrenchNinja · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
Not it's not, it's putting her words into context

You have not been doing that. I don't understand why this is a sticking point for you. You accept that Hickam doesn't think it was big deal but at the same time ignore that she tried to apologise. She realises what she did was wrong in context, so why are you making excuses for her when she isn't even doing that for herself?

Deathman · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
So you're just upset that she seems to be being rewarded instead of punished?

Can you not accept that the decision makers, upon susequent communicaiton, believe her to be a valuable prospect? Or do you think that her actiosn require punishment, in that regardless of her subsequent behaviour she should not be given anythign higher than an internship?

Well no considering she is now only getting a job because of Homer, probably one of the most influential people in that sector. Her actions require punishment in that she shouldn't get the Job. My job has a social media policy and if I don't follow it I'm out on my ass with no recourse. Much like any global company

astro · Aug 24, 2018

WrenchNinja said:
You have not been doing that. I don't understand why this is a sticking point for you. You accept that Hickam doesn't think it was big deal but at the same time ignore that she tried to apologise. She realises what she did was wrong in context, so why are you making excuses for her when she isn't even doing that for herself?

I'm not making excuses for her, I'm saying while her words were vulgar and immature, the context of her responding to who she thought was a random dude dropping "language" on her feed is something that needs to be considered.

WrenchNinja · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I'm not making excuses for her, I'm saying while her words were vulgar and immature, the context of her responding to who she thought was a random dude dropping "language" on her feed is something that needs to be considered.

No it does not need to be considered. Insulting random people isn't a cool thing.

Nepenthe · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
So you're just upset that she seems to be being rewarded instead of punished?

Can you not accept that the decision makers, upon susequent communicaiton, believe her to be a valuable prospect? Or do you think that her actiosn require punishment, in that regardless of her subsequent behaviour she should not be given anythign higher than an internship?

Her not being able to intern at NASA was not going to dump her in the poorhouse. She obviously has extremely good credentials and was probably going to land something sweet. But yes, I am annoyed that she is getting the red carpet treatment for acting shitty in a way that would have sunk everyone else, even if the shittiness wasn't all that offensive. The world's unfair. Who knew?

Deathman · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I'm not making excuses for her, I'm saying while her words were vulgar and immature, the context of her responding to who she thought was a random dude dropping "language" on her feed is something that needs to be considered.

No it doesn't. The context was she invoked the organisation who she JUST got an internship with's name in a tweet that was quite vulgar. Homer (sure she might not have known who he is, but for fuck sake I'm not even from America and I know who he is) warned her quickly with a one word response. She then did the same thing but worse, and when he explained who he was her friends jumped on him to the point where he now has actually temporarily de-activated his twitter.

The context is she was a moron and extremely unprofessional and should've been punished for it which she was. But thanks to Homer being a stand up guy she doesn't have to continue to suffer for it. Stop defending her stupidity

astro · Aug 24, 2018

WrenchNinja said:
No it does not need to be considered. Insulting random people isn't a cool thing.

It obviously does, I've no interest in going in circles with this.

Deathman said:
No it doesn't. The context was she invoked the organisation who she JUST got an internship with's name in a tweet that was quite vulgar. Homer (sure she might not have known who he is, but for fuck sake I'm not even from America and I know who he is) warned her quickly with a one word response. She then did the same thing but worse, and when he explained who he was her friends jumped on him to the point where he now has actually temporarily de-activated his twitter.

I believe this situation worked out just fine, I don't believe every mistake needs to be punished absolutely and I believe the context of this particular exchange speaks for itself.

The context is she was a moron and extremely unprofessional and should've been punished for it which she was. But thanks to Homer being a stand up guy she doesn't have to continue to suffer for it. Stop defending her stupidity

Nepenthe said:
Her not being able to intern at NASA was not going to dump her in the poorhouse. She obviously has extremely good credentials and was probably going to land something sweet. But yes, I am annoyed that she is getting the red carpet treatment for acting shitty in a way that would have sunk everyone else, even if the shittiness wasn't all that offensive. The world's unfair. Who knew?

And her getting further opportunity is not some huge insult to justice.

Especially given the context.

Deathman · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
It obviously does, I've no interest in going in circles with this.

And her getting further opportunity is not some huge insult to justice.

Especially given the context.

Stop saying context. There was no context. Excitement is not a get out of jail free card, nor is context. Stop treating it as one

H.Protagonist · Aug 24, 2018

Risible said:
I genuinely can't understand anyone defending her.

She posted about her job on a public space. Someone replied to her. Even if you think the reply was snarky or tone-policing, bear in mind that your original post was about your job. To then reply suck my dick and balls on a public forum in something in regards to your job almost a day later (so no excuses of oh I was so excited) demonstrates fantastically bad judgement.

The fact that it was someone that worked at your job is almost irrelevant. Why have your job's name and "suck my dick in balls" in the same public posting? That's sheer stupidity. The fact that you said it to a living legend who happens to work at your job is only icing on the cake.

I don't think many people are defending her, exactly, just that there's context which doesn't make it as black and white as her intending to tarnish her employers, and certainly not to drive someone who worked for them off of Twitter. She was a jerk and sure as heck embarrassed herself, but the harassment that followed wasn't anything she condoned or encouraged on as far as I know. Losing the internship following that on top of her exchange with Hickam was a given, and that's a deserved life lesson. She really put her foot in it, even without the harassment. She contacted him and apologized and it seems he accepted it and more which is incredibly rare. I would bet that this is a pivotal moment for her and she'll be a better person for it. It's actually a nice, positive outcome in what generally is a shitshow. Hopefully her screw up will encourage other people to be less asshole-ish online.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Deathman said:
Stop saying context. There was no context. Excitement is not a get out of jail free card, nor is context. Stop treating it as one

There is context.

Never suggested excitement should be a get out of jail free card, but that given the context the absolutist opinions ITT are disturbing and hypberolic imo.

H.Protagonist said:
I don't think many people are defending her, exactly, just that there's context which doesn't make it as black and white as her intending to tarnish her employers, and certainly not to drive someone who worked for them off of Twitter. She was a jerk and sure as heck embarrassed herself, but the harassment that followed wasn't anything she condoned or encouraged on as far as I know. Losing the internship following that on top of her exchange with Hickam was a given, and that's a deserved life lesson. She really put her foot in it, even without the harassment. She contacted him and apologized and it seems he accepted it and more which is incredibly rare. I would bet that this is a pivotal moment for her and she'll be a better person for it. It's actually a nice, positive outcome in what generally is a shitshow. Hopefully her screw up will encourage other people to be less asshole-ish online.

Exactly, thank you for articulating it well.

Nepenthe · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
And her getting further opportunity is not some huge insult to justice.

I never said it was. I'm saying it's fundamentally unfair to fail upwards in the way she did. "Context" doesn't change that.

Deleted member 12224 · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I'm not making excuses for her, I'm saying while her words were vulgar and immature, the context of her responding to who she thought was a random dude dropping "language" on her feed is something that needs to be considered.

So her being an asshole to someone she believed was a "random dude" should be considered as a mitigating factor, as if the the person being random makes it more acceptable?

Deathman · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
There is context.

Never suggested excitement should be a get out of jail free card, but that given the context the absolutist opinions ITT are disturbing and hypberolic imo.

.

I'm done with this, this is going in circles and its like speaking to a wall.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

cagey said:
So her being an asshole to someone she believed was a "random dude" should be considered as a mitigating factor, as if the the person being random makes it more acceptable?

I think the context means it's not worthy of some of the absolutist opinions ITT, as I have reasoned.

Deathman said:
I'm done with this, this is going in circles and its like speaking to a wall.

Great, and ditto.

Nepenthe said:
I never said it was. I'm saying it's fundamentally unfair to fail upwards in the way she did. "Context" doesn't change that.

Context changes this situation's place on the scale of universal justice or whatever. So while I agree its "unfair", it also doesn't upset me.

PHOENIXZERO · Aug 24, 2018

Imagine getting an internship at NASA and thinking "Homer Hickam" is just some random old dude.

RedMercury · Aug 24, 2018

Deathman said:
Excitement is not a get out of jail free card

I dunno, that's going a bit far to bring jail into the conversation

Nepenthe · Aug 24, 2018

PHOENIXZERO said:
Imagine getting an internship at NASA and thinking "Homer Hickam" is just some random old dude.

This would be like me getting a Disney internship and cursing out Glen Keane.

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, I was just putting the exchange into perspective.

Context matters, etc... your absolutist view is a little disturbing to me.

I mean who doesn't find a story about an asshole then make up their own context to make asshole seem less like an asshole? Sounds like fun.
/s

Real talk: Stop treating people like shit because you're on the internet.

WrenchNinja · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
It obviously does, I've no interest in going in circles with this

You're going to have to explain the obvious. In what universe is someone saying a benign one word response to you deserving a vulgar response in return? Even with her being a transwoman and a furry, and likely being harassed for these things, it does not suddenly make things hunky dory to just say stuff like that to random people.

Like I don't even care that Hickam is trying to get her a job after this, I just think it's nuts to still be arguing that what she did makes sense or was okay, when even she doesn't even think that anymore.

Ragnorok64 · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I think the context means it's not worthy of some of the absolutist opinions ITT, as I have reasoned.

Great, and ditto.

Context changes this situation's place on the scale of universal justice or whatever. So while I agree its "unfair", it also doesn't upset me.

This is like flipping someone off and cursing out the window, in traffic while driving a company vehicle then pulling into the lot to find out the person you flipped off was the regional sales manager. "I didn't know you were with the company" isn't an acceptable excuse.

Nemesis Warlock · Aug 24, 2018

Oh look, it was a 4Chan doxxing op, as I suspected.

https://twitter.com/DogpatchPress/status/1032836889194065920?s=19

Whatever she initially did, it was blown out of proportion because of these scumbags.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

S1lentSymph0ny said:
I mean who doesn't find a story about an asshole then make up their own context to make asshole seem less like an asshole? Sounds like fun.
/s

Real talk: Stop treating people like shit because you're on the internet.

I don't think her intent was to treat him like shit, I think her intent was to say "fuck minding my language, I'm excited about this shit!".

Now, I'm not saying this kind of behaviour should be excused, that it shouldn't have consequences, and neither am I suggesting that intent removes the potential damage of an action, but that give n the context of this situation, given all the information we know, I'm not upset by the outcome.

As others have said, the young woman will very likely learn well from this.

Ragnorok64 said:
This is like flipping someone off and cursing out the window, in traffic while driving a company vehicle then pulling into the lot to find out the person you flipped off was the regional sales manager. "I didn't know you were with the company" isn't an acceptable excuse.

See above.

WrenchNinja said:
You're going to have to explain the obvious. In what universe is someone saying a benign one word response to you deserving a vulgar response in return? Even with her being a transwoman and a furry, and likely being harassed for these things, it does not suddenly make things hunky dory to just say stuff like that to random people.

Like I don't even care that Hickam is trying to get her a job after this, I just think it's nuts to still be arguing that what she did makes sense or was okay, when even she doesn't even think that anymore.

I have already explained what is obvious to me.

I have never said what she said was ok, I was talking up against hyperbolic/absolutist responses ITT.

H.Protagonist · Aug 24, 2018

Nepenthe said:
I never said it was. I'm saying it's fundamentally unfair to fail upwards in the way she did. "Context" doesn't change that.

Not even her contacting him to apologize? I won't argue that she was lucky as hell that Hickam was even willing to listen to her apology, but she must have done something right. It seems like they had an actual conversation instead of one of those generic contrition statements and were able to connect and have a meaningful discussion. Twitter is such a terrible way to talk, so bypassing that and actually speaking to each other seems like a win for decency and mature communication, right?

sibarraz · Aug 24, 2018

Thanks to the political climate I'm incredible paranoid with this sort of things, so I should ask anyway

Are the people harassing homer hickam real furries, or just people pretending to be furries? Like, if Homer Hickham said that the girl apologized to him, I don't know why her "friends" are still shitting on him

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I don't think her intent was to treat him like shit, I think her intent was to say "fuck minding my language, I'm excited about this shit!".

I don't think her intent was to treat him like shit just to say "fuck your advice", as if that's not treating someone like shit. Keep twisting yourself into a pretzel for this defense.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

S1lentSymph0ny said:
I don't think her intent was to treat him like shit just to say "fuck your advice", as if that's not treating someone like shit. Keep twisting yourself into a pretzel for this defense.

I've never actually defended her actions, I've simply tried to contextualize them and fight against some of the hyperbolic/absolutist opinions ITT.

H.Protagonist said:
Not even her contacting him to apologize? I won't argue that she was lucky as hell that Hickam was even willing to listen to her apology, but she must have done something right. It seems like they had an actual conversation instead of one of those generic contrition statements and were able to connect and have a meaningful discussion. Twitter is such a terrible way to talk, so bypassing that and actually speaking to each other seems like a win for decency and mature communication, right?

I don't know why some people are ignoring these things.

Oligarchenemy · Aug 24, 2018

Ah yes, the gold standard of defending YouTubers saying racist shit. "Context matters"

Was she also having a heated gaming moment?

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Oligarchenemy said:
Ah yes, the gold standard of defending YouTubers saying racist shit. "Context matters"

Was she also having a heated gaming moment?

Not a good look to make dishonest comparisons while attempting to tout your moral superiority.

Omegamon · Aug 24, 2018

sibarraz said:
Are the people harassing homer hickam real furries, or just people pretending to be furries? Like, if Homer Hickham said that the girl apologized to him, I don't know why her "friends" are still shitting on him

Furries have some weird persecution complex so they see this as an attack to furries so they dogpile the guy because apparently she was "attacked" for being one

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I've never actually defended her actions, I've simply tried to contextualize them and fight against some of the hyperbolic/absolutist opinions ITT.

I don't know why some people are ignoring these things.

We see what the context was. Somebody called out bad language and an immature brat doubled down cause she doesn't know how to properly talk to people. That is the context.

Dunno why people are ignoring the apology? Maybe cause its tiring how many people do dumb shit on a daily basis then think an apology makes it all better. Its a start, not a fix.

eZn said:
Props to NASA for not backing down to the internet hate squadron.

Suck my dick and balls.

Homer Hickam. At least get it right.

eZn · Aug 24, 2018

Props to NASA for not backing down to the internet hate squadron.

Oligarchenemy · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
Not a good look to make dishonest comparisons while attempting to tout your moral superiority.

Isn't that what you're doing? You seem pretty invested.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

S1lentSymph0ny said:
We see what the context was. Somebody called out bad language and an immature brat doubled down cause she doesn't know how to properly talk to people. That is the context.

Dunno why people are ignoring the apology? Maybe cause its tiring how many people do dumb shit on a daily basis then think an apology makes it all better. Its a start, not a fix.

Suck my dick and balls.

That's not the entirity of the context, no.

And yes it's tiring seeing actual hateful, malicous people get away wtih shit. But, given the full context, this was just a young person making a dumb mistake.

Oligarchenemy said:
Isn't that what you're doing? You seem pretty invested.

No, that's not what I'm doing.

And please stop the passive agressive "pretty invested" talk, I'm having a conversation with people in a public thread. I'm not emotionally invested in this and you can duck out any time you feel like.

Oligarchenemy · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
That's not the entirity of the context, no.

No, that's not what I'm doing.

And please stop the passive agressive "pretty invested" talk, I'm having a conersation with people in a public thread. You can duck out any time you feel like.

Lmao. You aren't having a conversation, you just wanted to talk down to everyone.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Oligarchenemy said:
Lmao. You aren't having a conversation, you just wanted to talk down to everyone.

No, I wanted to talk up against some of the absolutist/hyperbolic opinions ITT.

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, I wanted to talk up against some of the absolutist/hyperbolic opinions ITT.

Nothing absolutist/hyperbolic about wanting people to treat strangers with respect. I'm sorry you feel that people shouldn't default to being respectful to other people. I'm glad I don't know you IRL.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Nothing absolutist/hyperbolic about wanting people to treat strangers with respect.

Never suggest this was the case.

S1lentSymph0ny said:
I'm sorry you feel that people shouldn't default to being respectful to other people. I'm glad I don't know you IRL.

I'm sorry that your reading comprehension has failed and allowed you to make such a strange call, I suggest you read my posts from the beginning because I have never suggested these things.

Oligarchenemy · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, I wanted to talk up against some of the absolutist/hyperbolic opinions ITT.

No, what you're doing is the internet equivalent to finger wagging.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Oligarchenemy said:
No, what you're doing is the internet equivalent to finger wagging.

No, but it's ironic because that's part of what I'm talking up against.

Ragnorok64 · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, I wanted to talk up against some of the absolutist/hyperbolic opinions ITT.

So you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? Because you've long since run out of talking points other than repeating "context" and " absolutist."

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
Never suggest this was the case.

I'm sorry that your reading comprehension has failed and allowed you to make such a strange call, I suggest you read my posts from the beginning because I have never suggested these things.

Sorry, I used the additional context that wasn't laid out in your original texts. Sound familiar?

Ragnorok64 said:
So you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? Because you've long since run out of talking points other than repeating "context" and " absolutist."

I'm sure he can keep it going for a few more pages on context alone. lol

Oligarchenemy · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, but it's ironic because that's part of what I'm talking up against.

The only irony is from your posts.

Ragnorok64 said:
So you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? Because you've long since run out of talking points other than repeating "context" and " absolutist."

Absolutist was their calendar word of the day

astro · Aug 24, 2018

Ragnorok64 said:
So you're just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian? Because you've long since run out of talking points other than repeating "context" and " absolutist."

No, and the reason this conversation has become cyclic is not a fault of my own.

The thread is up there for anyone to see, the reasons I have had to repeat myself are very apparent.

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Sorry, I used the additional context that wasn't laid out in your original texts. Sound familiar?
I'm sure he can keep it going for a few more pages on context alone. lol

Your posts are incredibly dishonest takes on my own.

S1lentSymph0ny · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
No, and the reason this conversation has become cyclic is not a fault of my own.

The thread is up there for anyone to see, the reasons I have had to repeat myself are very apparent.

Your posts are incredibly dishonest takes on my own.

Sorry you couldn't see the missing context.

astro · Aug 24, 2018

S1lentSymph0ny said:
Sorry you couldn't see the missing context.

Sorry you have felt the need to digress into such petty exchanges, I think it's best we stop this here.

H.Protagonist · Aug 24, 2018

astro said:
I've never actually defended her actions, I've simply tried to contextualize them and fight against some of the hyperbolic/absolutist opinions ITT.

I don't know why some people are ignoring these things.

I could see why it would be hard to believe (there being anything sincerely positive in any of this) given how often we see this shit played out on Twitter and Youtube, etc. and maybe there's just BS fatigue. I don't think this particular situation warrants such a strong reaction given all the information, but I do tend to stick more to less contentious threads.

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