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NPD July 2018: Octopath Traveler #1, Switch Best Selling Console
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2DS/3DS hardware bundles played a major role in that, I'm sure. But that is a staple of the franchise, as you touched on with the DS and Wii figures.
This is my own theory, but I wonder if Rockstar doesn't want to port GTAV to Switch out of fear that people will spend less money on microtransactions. I'm not a huge fan of the e-shop and don't find it that fun or intuitive to navigate. It's a total cynicism but I do wonder if any company has stats to show if certain storefronts and their ability to be navigated by the average consumer does help in purchasing DLC/add-ons/Microtransactions.
The other explanation is that they don't want to undermine Red Dead Redemption 2 and pull people from Xbox/PS4 to another system. At least not yet.
The other explanation is that they don't want to undermine Red Dead Redemption 2 and pull people from Xbox/PS4 to another system. At least not yet.
I've said this before but as we all know video games are a part of American culture now. Whereas before, when I was growing up, it was a niche for nerds and Christmas Day presents for kids in the 1990s and early 2000s.
This isn't rocket science but those nerds and kids have grown up and now have disposable income. These kids grew up with Japanese RPGs so it does not stun me at all to see Octopath Traveler and Switch titles that would have maybe been seen as niche 10 years ago reach #1 on the charts.
It also makes me wonder how Microsoft has completely missed this while Sony and Nintendo are capitalizing on it. I was very disappointed when I saw minimal investment by Phil Spencer and co. on Japanese titles or exclusives this past E3. The longer Microsoft continues to ignore this the longer they'll be in third place in America. Gamepass is all for naught if you do not have a diverse lineup of games to play.
This isn't rocket science but those nerds and kids have grown up and now have disposable income. These kids grew up with Japanese RPGs so it does not stun me at all to see Octopath Traveler and Switch titles that would have maybe been seen as niche 10 years ago reach #1 on the charts.
It also makes me wonder how Microsoft has completely missed this while Sony and Nintendo are capitalizing on it. I was very disappointed when I saw minimal investment by Phil Spencer and co. on Japanese titles or exclusives this past E3. The longer Microsoft continues to ignore this the longer they'll be in third place in America. Gamepass is all for naught if you do not have a diverse lineup of games to play.
Oh come on MatPiscatella no Dreamcast data?
Nintendo has time to reach kids. The 2DS was widely panned here (neogaf) but it did well for itself as a kid focused device.
As I mentioned earlier, you only reach Wii/PS2 levels when you hit non-gamers that are willing to purchase the entire console for a single game that gets brought out at Christmas every year
Go Vacation just bombed though.
The Nintendogs sequels bombed.
The brain training franchise is dead.
Wii Fit and EA Active were one and done, the sequels bombed
You cant catch lightning twice. They need something new.
I don't see what's so difficult about it.
DLC is listed on the same page as the game in question.
Games can internally link directly to the DLC/Add-on/MT section on the eShop
No navigation involved, not that I understand that complaint either. What's so difficult in searching for a game if you don't see it? There's also the web version so you can purchase whatever on your phone/PC.
Finally, this doesn't seem to have been an issue for anyone else. Epic with Fortnite, Psyonix with Rocket League, Ubi with M+R, ArcSys with BBTag etc etc
There's an audience for this type of games, but they aren't one of the major factors behind PS4 and Switch sales.
Xbox One isn't selling less than the others right now because of a lack of japanese titles.
Congratulations Octopath! Been slowly making my way through and it's amazing seeing a classic turn based rpg top the charts!
That's why I didn't name those games. And Go Vacation is a low budget port with almost 0 publicity.
People like to assume all 'casual' games appeal to the same audience, but I don't think the appeal of Wii Sports is the same as anything else you named (aside Go Vacation). I do believe the DS casual market was overtaken by smartphones, but there is still no replacement for Wii Sports. Wii Sports is a sports party game that is meant to be played with a group of people. The appeal of sports, parties and group play has not gone away.
Are you referring to NSMBU as a drastic drop? You can't look at sales numbers alone. It's the third best selling game on the console to date. NSLU sold over 3 million as well. It had an attach rate of over 40%, compared to the NSMBW's just under 30%; the reality is that nothing could really sell the Wii U. The series has consistently done a few million under Mario Kart numbers with the exception of the first entry.
NSMB U was the default bundle for a while, this inflates the number.
Tbf sony has also done the minimal amount of work for japanese games, they got most of them by default and at most provided some marketing or kept them exclusive
The Rock Band and Guitar Hero folks said the same thing...
Haven't Sony helped out a lot with localization and porting efforts?
You're making a lot of baseless comparisons. I can name game franchises that people said were dying that ended up doing much better than expected, not sure the point you're trying to make.
Casual games is not a genre, many success and many fail. And you can catch lightning twice...Mario has caught it like 50 times now.
They did that with some vita games like tales of hearts and a couple ps4 games, they still seemingly still help falcom
But on a bigger scale they for some reason stopped doing that, most likely because they secured full japanese suppoet by that point
Mario is not a casual game. Popular, sure, but granny isnt buying a Wii U to play 3d World.
A casual game is something that a non-gamer will buy.
Can you name a game that was a huge hit among casual gamers and was able to follow up the success with future installments?
Wii Sports and Resort? I'm not sure how well Resort did.
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Casuals and non-gamers are not the same thing. Casuals are people who only play games on short occasions. Non-gamers are people who never touched a game in their life.
The biggest selling Japanese third party game in ages released this year and was backed by Sony.
I will not have this libelous accusation against Nintendogs.
I actually thing a new Nintendogs would do really well because... you know why.
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Biggest selling Japanese third party game ever.
It wasn't backed by Sony anywhere outside of Japan I believe, though.
GTAV's legs are completely inexplicable to me.
Like, you could give me all the perfect and most sensible explanations, and I'd still refuse to accept them.
Good news for Switch, btw. I'm not hanging around to see how the usual haters will spin the news this time.
Like, you could give me all the perfect and most sensible explanations, and I'd still refuse to accept them.
Good news for Switch, btw. I'm not hanging around to see how the usual haters will spin the news this time.
Those are all fair points that put one argument to bed. But not my other.
Whoa, Octopath, what a great performance! Well deserved if I might add.
But the real news is seeing Matt being very positive on Switch software sales, even third parties.
And with this quote from John...
Not too happy about streaming, but hearing this is great; it means the old myth of third parties not selling on a Nintendo system can be turned around. And with third parties actually researching the possibillities, that means we're getting more right?
I wish S-E would look at Octopath Traveler and release Classic Final Fantasy games or hell, the Remaster of FF XII for example. Give me stuff guys.
But the real news is seeing Matt being very positive on Switch software sales, even third parties.
And with this quote from John...
Not too happy about streaming, but hearing this is great; it means the old myth of third parties not selling on a Nintendo system can be turned around. And with third parties actually researching the possibillities, that means we're getting more right?
I wish S-E would look at Octopath Traveler and release Classic Final Fantasy games or hell, the Remaster of FF XII for example. Give me stuff guys.
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Switch 2 is gonna be fire.
I'm still yearning for a stronger Nintendo system, not gonna lie.
Why wouldn't I want the best of both worlds?
I'm still yearning for a stronger Nintendo system, not gonna lie.
Why wouldn't I want the best of both worlds?
Wonder what the order is for best selling third parties in the US for Switch are(physical and digital)(traditional third party).
My Guess(Top 10):
1. Minecraft
2. Mario and Rabbids
3. Sonic Mania(with Plus)
4. Skyrim
5. Octopath
6. Doom 2016
7. NBA 2k18
8. Sonic Forces
9. Street Fighter 2
10. Fifa18
Not sure but I think all these games are over 100k easily.
My Guess(Top 10):
1. Minecraft
2. Mario and Rabbids
3. Sonic Mania(with Plus)
4. Skyrim
5. Octopath
6. Doom 2016
7. NBA 2k18
8. Sonic Forces
9. Street Fighter 2
10. Fifa18
Not sure but I think all these games are over 100k easily.
I still feel like streaming is a far away dream. There is no way my internet speed is good enough in my countryside for me to stream a game. So if this is the solution some 3rd parties found, then for me it will be like nothing changed at all. Well not until my internet speed gets better, when the providers realise that not everyone lives in a city (although I'm in the minority)
Switch 7 or no sale.
Live for the now peeps. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed and who needs a bigger backlog anyways.
Live for the now peeps. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed and who needs a bigger backlog anyways.
Ain't that the truth. I was just sitting here about to buy Injustice 2 complete edition that's on sale. Then realized I'm still playing through God of War and then have Spider Man hitting 2 weeks later. Then Destiny 2 Forsaken and Forza Horizon 4 and Red Dead and Fallout 76 and OMG THERE ARE TOO MANY GOOD GAMES
Btw is it possible to include MatPiscatella's replies to the op from now on? 25 pages is a chore to go through :p
You'll be playing way too much Dad of Baby to be playing any of those video games. :P
We have a different definition of casual games, as I think people of all ages play them. I don't think Wii Sports largely sold to grandparents and it probably wouldn't a second time. Wii Sports was a big party game, popular on college campuses, family gatherings, or anywhere people came together, of all ages.
To answer your question, Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort. Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus (I don't think Wii Fit should return). I also consider games like Animal Crossing, 2D Mario and Mario Kart to have mass casual appeal. I consider things like GTA and Fortnite to have that as well, and GTA consistently sells well.
It's scary to see how the Switch is dominating the Amazon charts. Metroid Prime 4 ? HOW ????
https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers...f2-41ae-427a-900f-8a6f670be093&pf_rd_i=468642
https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers...f2-41ae-427a-900f-8a6f670be093&pf_rd_i=468642
Nintendo doesn't need fad/bubble gaming trends. Ultimately it became a liability for the Wii because the platform's momentum and image were entirely tied to mini-game collections and once people started to tire of that the whole brand collapsed.
Switch can build a much more solid foundation the way it is going as is.
The whole *point* of the Switch IMO is it lets you play "real" console style games portably. That is something smartphones cannot do and that is the hook that will keep Switch relevant in the modern market.
To be honest too any casual/low end trend today would just be copied by smart devices.
Think about it, if Labo was anywhere close to a Brain Training I'd guarantee you $1000 within 3-6 months you'd see $20-$30 knock-offs for Android tablets/iPhone/iPad/Samsung. It's just cardborad + mini-games, anyone can easily copy that. And then people would just say "well why do I need a Switch for this? You can get this for the iPad that we already have without having to pay $300 for the system".
It's very hard to copy Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
Switch can build a much more solid foundation the way it is going as is.
The whole *point* of the Switch IMO is it lets you play "real" console style games portably. That is something smartphones cannot do and that is the hook that will keep Switch relevant in the modern market.
To be honest too any casual/low end trend today would just be copied by smart devices.
Think about it, if Labo was anywhere close to a Brain Training I'd guarantee you $1000 within 3-6 months you'd see $20-$30 knock-offs for Android tablets/iPhone/iPad/Samsung. It's just cardborad + mini-games, anyone can easily copy that. And then people would just say "well why do I need a Switch for this? You can get this for the iPad that we already have without having to pay $300 for the system".
It's very hard to copy Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
Nintendogs+Cast did a little less than 4M on 3DS.
Literally 20M less than on DS but it's not that much of an abject failure either.
Was Mario Kart DD at 7M more successful than Gran Turismo 3 at more than 15M because the userbase for GC was 24M versus the PS2 at over 150M?
Literally 20M less than on DS but it's not that much of an abject failure either.
Using % as the metric for relative success with these numbers is baffling.
Was Mario Kart DD at 7M more successful than Gran Turismo 3 at more than 15M because the userbase for GC was 24M versus the PS2 at over 150M?