Dear Crunchyroll: Stop (Digibro)

atomsk eater said:

Not watching the video since I don't want to give the guy a click, but I've seen people moaning about the original series in other places, and complaints always unironically include "sjw", "tumblr", etc. People just seem to insta-hate anything that's not made "for" them in terms of lacking incestuous/loli fanservice crap and being made mostly by an audience of women. Not sold on the art style or premise, but it might be decent and I can't say Crunchyroll is wasting their time by encouraging Western productions since there's a pretty big amount of people who are into anime who also watch anime-styled original English productions like Avatar, RWBY, or just cartoons in general.

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It's not hard to see why a certain section of anime fans are pissed. They see anime as exactly the kind of media they want, free from """diversity""" or """politics""" or whatever other kind of weird bullshit they peddle to justify their hatred.

It's also a medium that they're probably very protective of since it's so niche. To them, seeing one of the biggest western presences in anime promote a show that's at least making claims to be diverse is likely perceived as a literal attack. I can just imagine posts about how the 'sjw's' have invaded anime and are going to ruin it.

Eridani said:

For those who don't want to give the guy a click, here's a quick recap of the video:

• He starts of by complaining that an anime site has news about anime and just wants "god damn anime". I guess directly going to http://www.crunchyroll.com/videos/anime is too hard.
• In the same sentence, complains about the site hosting an anime-related talk show/podcast sort of thing, calling the people involved all sorts of things that I can't bring myself to type out. Considering how easy it is to ignore that, complaining that you "have to watch them" (which he does) seems really silly.
• Complains about the convention they had not contributing to the anime industry. I guess advertising and popularizing anime in the US doesn't count as that.
• A thinly veiled rant about "SJWs", all because Crunchyroll is making a show not aimed at him at all.
• Various complaints about the flash player Crunchyroll uses, which are all valid, but also incredibly well known at this point. Everyone who used the site knows how much it sucks.
• Calls Crunchyroll "pants shitting cowards" (christ) for not wanting to be sued and making some minor name changes to the JoJo anime. He says this makes the show unwatchable because the musical references (which he loves) are taken out. Despite the fact that, you know, the replacement names are still musical references (not 100% for all of them, but most of them are). Also, the subtitles sometimes have typos.
  
• A long rant about some random dude who called him out for defending loli fanservice. Which also has a clip of said fanservice, because the dude just loves it so much I guess.
• Says Crunchyoll does nothing for the anime industry. Which seems a bit weird to me considering how popular it has gotten in the west in the last few years. It's now at the point where even Amazon and Netflix are pretty heavily invested and considering Crunchyroll is the biggest western site when it comes to streaming and promoting anime saying that it did nothing to bring us to this point is a statement that would need a bit more proof than he provides (he does not provide any).
• An obligatory reminder to support him on Patreon. Because he makes a living out of making videos like this.

That's about the whole video really. It's awful.

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what is this extension people here are talking about?

and thanks for saving me the click and time.

Eumi said:

It's not hard to see why a certain section of anime fans are pissed. They see anime as exactly the kind of media they want, free from """diversity""" or """politics""" or whatever other kind of weird bullshit they peddle to justify their hatred.

It's also a medium that they're probably very protective of since it's so niche. To them, seeing one of the biggest western presences in anime promote a show that's at least making claims to be diverse is likely perceived as a literal attack. I can just imagine posts about how the 'sjw's' have invaded anime and are going to ruin it.

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True, the prevalence of that notion is troubling but undeniable. Same thing in gaming and comics, anything that diverts from the status quo is seen as "dangerously political."

Beedig said:

Yes way

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PFFT, haha.

What a knob.

Eumi said:

It's not hard to see why a certain section of anime fans are pissed. They see anime as exactly the kind of media they want, free from """diversity""" or """politics""" or whatever other kind of weird bullshit they peddle to justify their hatred.

It's also a medium that they're probably very protective of since it's so niche. To them, seeing one of the biggest western presences in anime promote a show that's at least making claims to be diverse is likely perceived as a literal attack. I can just imagine posts about how the 'sjw's' have invaded anime and are going to ruin it.

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I feel anyone who seriously sees anime this way is not actually an anime fan.

Like, the shows you'd have to stay within to ignore racial or gender diversity in anime would restrict you to a very slim, very bad selection of nonsense.

NightLife said:

what is this extension people here are talking about?

and thanks for saving me the click and time.

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https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/crunchyroll-html5/ihegfgnkffeibpmnajnoiemkcmlbmhmi?hl=en

This is life changing.

Border said:

Dick is a confirmed scumbag. His views and opinions are at-best exaggerated versions of his actual beliefs and he has pretty much said so himself. "Just because I say it's satire doesn't mean I don't believe every word of it" is a quote from his recent anniversary show.

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True. It was mostly fine on the old show with Maddox because of the back and forth, but then it turned out Maddox was a huge hypocritical idiot, so this all makes me sad.

This exchange with Digibro was kind of an amusing awakening for him. He said it was the first time he knew what it felt like to be "offended" by someone else's speech. I think Digibro and Cernovich were too revolting even for Dick Masterson.

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I just watched the whole thing for more context. It's pretty interesting, if... Yeah, uncomfortable. And God, I just noticed the "Big League Trump Supporter" sticker on the bottom left of the vid, ugh.

[EDIT] On second thought I removed the link altogether. I don't especially want to give either Digibro or Dick any kind of publicity. Feel free to look it up if you want.

Htown said:

good lord

I have recently had trouble watching video on crunchyroll, and this is still the most annoying anime-related video I've seen in ages

getting through the first 30 seconds of this shit is a labor worthy of Hercules

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This. I couldn't make it past the first 30 seconds and his complaints that Crunchyroll has other things on their site besides anime. I mean the anime is still there, right? Maybe there's a point later on, but I'll just read this thread to find out.

I dont like that dude, but I did have the HTML5 player for a couple of weeks and it did work just fine. If you are using Opera even the pop up player worked flawlessly.

atomsk eater said:

Not watching the video since I don't want to give the guy a click, but I've seen people moaning about the original series in other places, and complaints always unironically include "sjw", "tumblr", etc. People just seem to insta-hate anything that's not made "for" them in terms of lacking incestuous/loli fanservice crap and being made mostly by an audience of women. Not sold on the art style or premise, but it might be decent and I can't say Crunchyroll is wasting their time by encouraging Western productions since there's a pretty big amount of people who are into anime who also watch anime-styled original English productions like Avatar, RWBY, or just cartoons in general.

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Naw, that show just looks like the most mediocre shit imaginable. It feels like Crunchyroll wanted Little Witch Academia, but then Netflix got it on their platform, so they just thought "Hey! Lets make our own Little Witch Academia!" Unfortunately they forgot to hire good artist , but a pity clap for their efforts.

Jecht said:

Gross. It makes him a pedophile. Period. Suspect as fuck that you would defend it as well.

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Loool calm down crusader no it dosent unless you want consider anyone who' into rape porn a rapist games make you violent
Ect.. also accusing other people who call you out is petty at but ill let the mods handel that .

WrenchNinja said:

Are there any anime youtubers who aren't a piece of shit?

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Gigguk ain't so bad.

While I agree with his complaints about the crunchyroll player, I really can't agree with him for the rest of it. The Jojo changes were, to my understanding, for legal reasons. Crunchyroll really can't afford to risk copyright problems, and the name changes are largely a consequence of well... being legal... As for getting attacked for being a lolicon... I just have to ask, "What were you expecting?" It also felt like he was kinda trying to dogwhistle against 'SJWs' during the video, which isn't a great look.

WrenchNinja said:

Are there any anime youtubers who aren't a piece of shit?

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Here's who I'm subscribed too:
Glass Reflection - Anime Reviews, First Looks, Recomendations, and Anime-related Discussion videos. He's been doing this for 7 years and I haven't seen anything questionable from him. His content is pretty well produced as well.
GoatJesus - Somewhat lengthy anime analyses. Almost all of his content is related to either Neon Genesis Evangelion or Fullmetal Alchemist (Both 2003 and Brotherhood). Very little discussion about "modern" anime. He has been through several screenwriting classes, and, as a result, his analyses are quite detailed and interesting. Been doing critiques for 5 years.
Lowart - General anime discussion videos and some semi-lengthy analyses. He also talks about some western animated shows, particularly Teen Titans. He has a fairly lengthy series of ongoing analyses (11 Parts so far) based around comparing Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 and Brotherhood.
Mother's Basement - Anime and occasionally video-game related videos (Both reviews and discussions). He also has series where he analyzes anime OPs and anime fight scenes. Several others have mentioned him so I'm not going to focus on him too much.

Super Corpse Soldier said:

As Digibro puts it, this is kind of always been his true form. Putting out long form anime analysis was never really him or the kind of stuff he wanted to produce. He loves to embody the darkest, scuzziest part of otaku culture.

The crunchyroll HTML5 plug has completely changed my life.

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Damn it. I guess this isn't just a gross phase. :(

After reading that summary Eridani posted, other than the player which is pretty much the case it is terrible, the rest sounds like he is just bitter and mad that Crunchyroll still does well. I have seen a bit of stuff he has done in the past and he just comes across as an arrogant jackass. The only anime youtubers I do not mind are Glass Reflection and Mother's Basement because they analyze and review anime in a very objective way (with some subjectivity of course).

Mesoian said:

I feel anyone who seriously sees anime this way is not actually an anime fan.

Like, the shows you'd have to stay within to ignore racial or gender diversity in anime would restrict you to a very slim, very bad selection of nonsense.

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Remember these people are delusional. Like those Star Wars fans who base their lives around a franchise where not giving in to hatred is a key theme that then proceed to viciously harass actors they don't like.

I just find anime is a very easy medium for hateful people to enjoy. Most characters are white passing, so they don't have that violent reaction that they would when say a show like Crunchy's new one has very visible diversity. Anime also has a lot of shows with nominally powerful women that end up still confirming to pretty sexist roles for female characters despite that, so it's easy to convince themselves that the female characters are done well whilst still enjoying all the sexist stuff that they really want. Plus Japanese politics can be fairly different to western politics so I can also see how you could easily convince yourself that the medium is apolitical, which always seems to be an ideal that group strive for even if it's really just certain political outlooks that bother them. Just lots of little things like that.

I dunno, I'm probably wrong and I'm definitely generalising a group that I am a part of, but these are just some thoughts I've had about how exactly a foreign country's animation garnered so much favour with the kinds of people who'd get mad about tumblr or diversity in the first place.

Isn't Digibro the same guy who was defending loli smut?

HypedBeast said:

Naw, that show just looks like the most mediocre shit imaginable. It feels like Crunchyroll wanted Little Witch Academia, but then Netflix got it on their platform, so they just thought "Hey! Lets make our own Little Witch Academia!" Unfortunately they forgot to hire good artist , but a pity clap for their efforts.

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The main thing wrong with the show is that it's cliche. However I don't see why anime fans are THIS mad about it existing when the entire medium has a issue with originality.

WrenchNinja said:

Are there any anime youtubers who aren't a piece of shit?

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Tekking101. Kid's a cringelord, but his heart is in the right place.

infinite said:

The main thing wrong with the show is that it's cliche. However I don't see why anime fans are THIS mad about it existing when the entire medium has a issue with originality.

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Lol seriously. A large chunk of anime seasonally is unoriginal, uninspired shit. If the biggest criticism from some people is that this show is "too tumblr", then you can guess why they're really mad.

Border said:

"I am a huge fan of illustrations of little girls getting fucked."
—Digibro, 2018

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Bloody disgusting.

infinite said:

The main thing wrong with the show is that it's cliche. However I don't see why anime fans are THIS mad about it existing when the entire medium has a issue with originality.

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I dont know about other folks, Im capable of being disappointed by both the east and the west in terms of how uninteresting most of the shows coming out are.

Eumi said:

I dunno, I'm probably wrong

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Nah.

HypedBeast said:

I dont know about other folks, Im capable of being disappointed by both the east and the west in terms of how uninteresting most of the shows coming out are.

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I never claimed you or others wasn't. It's just interesting to me that this particular show is in people's crosshairs when there's some magic school anime or some virtual world anime every month.

Also, wasn't he invited to Crunchyroll Expo last year?

Oof.

... That's it? The crunchyroll site is a mess, their UX is borked, and the JoJo stuff is very annoying, but I see no issue with Crunchyroll not making original content. If they'd done a joint venture with an anime production house then nobody would be complaining, but now that the anime crowd has to deal with anime influenced content sharing space with actual anime they're throwing a fit.

Maybe the show will suck. Maybe. But the outrage over this is stupid and overblown. Maybe wait and see if the show is any good... Or is that not really what the frustration is about?

Eumi said:

It's not hard to see why a certain section of anime fans are pissed. They see anime as exactly the kind of media they want, free from """diversity""" or """politics""" or whatever other kind of weird bullshit they peddle to justify their hatred.

It's also a medium that they're probably very protective of since it's so niche. To them, seeing one of the biggest western presences in anime promote a show that's at least making claims to be diverse is likely perceived as a literal attack. I can just imagine posts about how the 'sjw's' have invaded anime and are going to ruin it.

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People do love their escapism and while I'm not saying a show can't be political, sometimes people just want simple, mindless entertainment. Then again, people don't like it when they use comparisons such as sjw or tumblr/cal arts.

I don't wanna take away the attention from the lolicon stuff, but I think it's just as ridiculous that the guy is still getting mad about the thing with the subtitles in Jojo.

That has been going on since season 1, and that is what, 6 years old?
The whole community has accepted and acknowledged the copyright issue by now, and Crunchyroll was at least so nice to not also censor the audio of the copyrighted names (which is something they totally could have done).

Digibro is just trying to stir up shit against Crunchyroll. They're probably trying to distance themselves from him, and he's getting mad about it.

Border said:

"I am a huge fan of illustrations of little girls getting fucked."
—Digibro, 2018

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Jesus.

Nightbird said:

I don't wanna take away the attention from the lolicon stuff, but I think it's just as ridiculous that the guy is still getting mad about the thing with the subtitles in Jojo.

That has been going on since season 1, and that is what, 6 years old?
The whole community has accepted and acknowledged the copyright issue by now, and Crunchyroll was at least so nice to not also censor the audio of the copyrighted names (which is something they totally could have done).

Digibro is just trying to stir up shit against Crunchyroll. They're probably trying to distance themselves from him, and he's getting mad about it.

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Yeah I haven't watched the video myself but that does kinda stick out against his other points.

It's kinda dumb at times and I can get being irritated by it if you can't appreciate the humour in some of them (like, Filthy Acts at a Reasonable Price might be the greatest legally distinct name of all time), but it's really a non issue if you understand that it's not worth the lawsuit risk.

If you're gonna try and call out a company, focusing on something like that just proves how little you have to go on. I guess just complaining about the video player didn't seem big enough.

His video description says "Just mad I didn't get invited to CRX this year."

Clearly it's a mystery as to why he wasn't...

Gundam said:

Oh, this jackass.

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lol this is my reaction too, everytime

Border said:

"I am a huge fan of illustrations of little girls getting fucked."
—Digibro, 2018

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That's an actual quote!?! Jesus!

Incidentally, can we talk about how much creepy underage shit is in anime? For example, i see tons of shipping in My Hero Aca's community, and those characters are like 15 or 16. Shits weird man.

Aang's_Bae said:

Digibro used to be cool too. His critics of both sap and asterisk war was top notch. I don't know what happened to push him off the deep end and I hope he gets better.

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Nah, Digibro is the same as always. There's just a huge difference between "writing and reading a script" Digi and "ranting into the microphone for five minutes" Digi.

Beartruck said:

That's an actual quote!?! Jesus!

Incidentally, can we talk about how much creepy underage shit is in anime? For example, i see tons of shipping in My Hero Aca's community, and those characters are like 15 or 16. Shits weird man.

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Yeah it is kinda weird. Even though there's a lot more of it in anime in general i find its not unique to it. Like Harry Potter shipping was huge

I don't understand how this dude's stuff keeps getting posted here. His commentary is generally trash, and he's also a total loser. Do people really find him to be insightful?

WrenchNinja said:

Are there any anime youtubers who aren't a piece of shit?

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Mothers basement

Beartruck said:

Incidentally, can we talk about how much creepy underage shit is in anime? For example, i see tons of shipping in My Hero Aca's community, and those characters are like 15 or 16. Shits weird man.

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Well, I think context matters. I wouldn't think it's a stretch to say that people shipping characters who are 15-16, are also similarly aged. Like, it's a thing that happens with most media. I remember it happening for Avatar, Harry Potter, Steven's Universe, and I think Voltron recently got hit pretty hard by it. Shipping is just one hardcore facet that manifests itself with some fans.

SieteBlanco said:

See, this was the real problem. They should have waited until they had something to show before announcing it. Trying to use the staff as a selling point only works if the staff is popular and well-known.

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They would have dug up that info and complained either way cuz it's not traditional anime.

ElBoxyBrown said:

They would have dug up that info and complained either way cuz it's not traditional anime.

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The thing is that they've given people nothing to talk about other than who is making it. And they aren't industry big names. "You haven't even seen a minute of animation!" isn't a defense when there is no animation to be seen.

SieteBlanco said:

The thing is that they've given people nothing to talk about other than who is making it. And they aren't industry big names. "You haven't even seen a minute of animation!" isn't a defense when there is no animation to be seen.

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So saying it looks bad based on concept art is valid?

ElBoxyBrown said:

So saying it looks bad based on concept art is valid?

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They can't really do anything else since they didn't show any animation, which was my original point. Making it all about the staff without actually having animated footage to show the quality of the work was a mistake.

SieteBlanco said:

The thing is that they've given people nothing to talk about other than who is making it. And they aren't industry big names. "You haven't even seen a minute of animation!" isn't a defense when there is no animation to be seen.

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A lot of companies do that when they announce projects.

Like Shonda Rhimes just announced a whole slate of projects for netflix and we don't even know whos casted in them much less a trailer

infinite said:

A lot of companies do that when they announce projects.

Like Shonda Rhimes just announced a whole slate of projects for netflix and we don't even know whos casted in them much less a trailer

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There is a clear difference between "by the executive producer of Grey's Anatomy and How to Get Away With Murder" and "by these people who you probably don't know", don't be deliberately naive.