and sadly most people won't care. look any fan base will bend pretty far to turn a blind eye but this report is just too clear and specific dude should be gone. I'd say it if it was Saban, Peterson, Kirby any of them
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College Football '18 Week 0 is NOW |OT| Urban knew.
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Gene Smith literally has nothing to do with winning though. Like I get why Urban wasn't fired and I personally was on the fire him if he did something wrong don't if he didn't train. Gene though is a whole different case. He has been the AD through 4 different scandals, 5 if you count the band shit (Not sure if they fall under him) and he admits to being the person that is supposed to report this shit and he didn't. Like.....why the fuck is he still there? Honestly after reading the report, and after that whatever the hell kind of press conference that was last night just fire them all and start over. Who fucking cares if Michigan finally beats us once.
"Ok, now that you've fired Gene Smith, why didn't you fire Urban Meyer?"
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Hey man, they have the wonderkid JT.
For real though, is there any consistent 10 game winner with less job security than Clay Helton? Besides Gus I guess.
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Yeah, it's well known they ran Kirk out of town. And he's one of their own! Can only imagine what Brett is getting.
Absolutely.
USC would be in the playoffs 3 of every 4 years if player talent were all that mattered.
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In related news, OSU has announced it's interim coach, Flurban Fleyer and his wife, Kelly, who will coach the first 3 games while Urban serves his suspension:
The long lost brother, Rural Meyer
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One that is on a national level? That would monitor all collegiate athletics?
Probably wouldnt work.
Probably wouldnt work.
I think what's saddest to me is that I see a lot of "internet comments" that talk about the wife-in-question: she was crazy, she wasn't credible, etc. This is pretty standard for any case of abuse, and it sucks. It sucks even more in this case because this investigation wasn't even about that. It was about whether or not Urban Meyer followed protocol, which he did not. They gave four different excuses as to why he said he didn't know when he did. None of them explain clearly why protocol was abandoned.
It doesn't really matter if the wife's claims were false (even though we know, without a doubt, abuse happened... Meyer even reported on it at UF) People have to believe women and follow protocol. I'm still genuinely surprised that most of this country fails to understand that.
I think that makes all of this even worse is that, by giving him a suspension, it's them admitting guilt while also showing that they don't actually give a shit about protocol when dealing with abuse.
It doesn't really matter if the wife's claims were false (even though we know, without a doubt, abuse happened... Meyer even reported on it at UF) People have to believe women and follow protocol. I'm still genuinely surprised that most of this country fails to understand that.
I think that makes all of this even worse is that, by giving him a suspension, it's them admitting guilt while also showing that they don't actually give a shit about protocol when dealing with abuse.
But what if the universities formed an association and they held themselves accountable that way?
I envy you guys. Still feels hot here.
It will probably change on a dime, knowing my state. Lol
Seems like tOSU athletics may lack institutional control but that sort of thing doesn't get looked into by the NCAA, ever.
Now if a student athlete gets sent a $10 Taco Bell gift card for his bday then the ncaa would investigate that. Can't have that sort of thing in our precious athletics
Now if a student athlete gets sent a $10 Taco Bell gift card for his bday then the ncaa would investigate that. Can't have that sort of thing in our precious athletics
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Naw, it's still friggin hot, but there's that slight hint. Enough to remind you that the best time of the year is almost here.
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I even scrolled through the thread real quick. I guess the Tweet wasn't loading. Apologies.
The thing that keeps digging at me is that if Urban Meyer spent all this time covering up domestic abuse–and we know the NCAA doesn't care about domestic abuse–how long until we find out that he's covering up something the NCAA does care about?
I just don't see how I can keep rooting for this team while Meyer and Gene Smith are employed by Ohio State. I quit watching the NFL for far less.
Guess I need to start brushing up on that Washington fight song.
I just don't see how I can keep rooting for this team while Meyer and Gene Smith are employed by Ohio State. I quit watching the NFL for far less.
Guess I need to start brushing up on that Washington fight song.
I personally think urban should have been let go.
But it's a really weird narrative that he could have somehow stopped the guy from being a piece of shit wife beater by firing him. I understand the point of view that he should have fired him on a moralistic standpoint (which I agree with), but doing so wouldn't have helped the situation the assistant coach and his wife were in. If anything, logically speaking, wouldn't the firing have put more anger in this evil dudes heart and the beatings intensified as his life went down the tubes?
Its not like the outcome would have been okay as long as urban did the right thing? I just don't understand.
But it's a really weird narrative that he could have somehow stopped the guy from being a piece of shit wife beater by firing him. I understand the point of view that he should have fired him on a moralistic standpoint (which I agree with), but doing so wouldn't have helped the situation the assistant coach and his wife were in. If anything, logically speaking, wouldn't the firing have put more anger in this evil dudes heart and the beatings intensified as his life went down the tubes?
Its not like the outcome would have been okay as long as urban did the right thing? I just don't understand.
I dunno what all that other stuff has to do with it. He should have fired him because he beat his wife. Full stop. Saying we shouldn't fire a dude who beat his wife because he might...get more angry and beat his wife again? is really, really stupid.
What on Earth does this have to do with anything?
Nobody is arguing that it's Urban's fault dude was a piece of shit. Nobody here, anyways.
Beating your wife is a crime. Your employer finding out that you've committed a crime such as that should result in you losing your fucking job. That Urban works for a University that absolutely has the resources to reach out to someone like Courtney and help her out after said firing just makes his inaction even worse.
Jesus Christ. Do you actually believe this?
You're thinking about what his response would be to being fired rather than thinking how keeping this fucking degenerate on staff for years enabled him and kept him in a position of power?
The decision on whether or not the coach should have been fired for his actions already happened. They decided he needed to be let go. The current issue is whether or not Urban Meyer knew (he did) and whether or not he carried out the appropriate response (he did not). Employing someone that would disregard protocol in order to defend someone they knew was committing terrible things is a danger to the rest of the staff working at Ohio State.
Don't conflate the two issues.
Don't conflate the two issues.
I already stated I agree with both of you he should have been let go. But the narrative I see all over the Internet is that urban would have somehow stopped this by sending the guy a message with firing. I'm trying to make sense of it logically.
But I guess there is no making sense of it
Its hard to fire anybody with cause, as its impossible not to so so and have a very very ugly public lawsuit. Look at Ollie and UConn, shit is ugly.
But yeah at a certain point, I think we have to realize we're guilty for watching CFB. I think the only honest coaches might be beamer and peterson.
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So, to sum: Urban should have been fired once all this came out, but by not following proper procedure and terminating Zach Smith earlier, Urban is somehow responsible for Courtney Smith being beaten less by her husband?
Pete and Shaw at Stanford apparently are thought highly of:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ege-football-coach-runs-the-cleanest-program/
No not at all.
Urban is terrible for being complicit of the beatings by his inactions
I'm just trying to understand what I am seeing on Facebook from what I now realize are likely just trolls. In no way did urban do anything correctly by not reporting it. I've just seen all over Facebook people attacking Ohio state and urban for not stopping the domestic abuse, as if the firing would have somehow stopped it.
Sadly my perspective is coming from personal experience as I witnessed my step father domestically abuse my mother growing up. I saw how the anger intensified and the incidents grew in number when he was let go from his job, leading him to drink more. Maybe my perspective is a unique one that I should keep to myself as others may misinterpret what I am saying here.
Obviously didn't know all those details about your personal life, but that would give you another perspective that someone like me may not have.
But I agree with cdy, don't read Facebook and you'll be much happier. :)
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