lol
I just like Cold War spy aesthetic
Big tape reel computers and stuff mmm
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Danny Boyle No Longer Directing Bond 25
- Thread starter ManaByte
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I just like Cold War spy aesthetic
Big tape reel computers and stuff mmm
It's hardly a hot take, it's a sentiment that has been widely expressed for years.
Obviously I'm not talking about the actual filmmaking, or the beautiful music, etc. Interestingly enough, while the books are more offensive than the movies I thought the films were pretty poor adaptations of the ones I read - From Russia With Love and Goldfinger especially (gasp!).
And you know exactly what I mean by not acceptable in 2018.
Not even that long ago
Gay Panic!!
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It's hardly a hot take, it's a sentiment that has been widely expressed for years.
Obviously I'm not talking about the actual filmmaking, or the beautiful music, etc. Interestingly enough, while the books are more offensive than the movies I thought the films were pretty poor adaptations of the ones I read - From Russia With Love and Goldfinger especially (gasp!).
And you know exactly what I mean by not acceptable in 2018.
Not even that long ago
Gay Panic!!
Well, do you want films to express what society should ideally be like or more like what it actually is? Even if it's an escapist spy thriller? Plenty of straight guys would have "gay panic" in reality. But that one is not what I would call gay panic. Gay Panic is thinking you may be be turned gay.
Not even that long ago
Gay Panic!!
I was on board before, but you're really reaching here.
Edit: I just watched the scene again to check if I was misremembering it completely, but yeah I'm not picking up on what you're claiming here at all. Silva says 'first time for everything' as he strokes Bond's legs, upon which Bond smiles and replies 'what makes you think this is my first time?'
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It's the archtypical Gay Villian that is the problem. Bond may not be uncomfortable but a lot of the audience will be.
Even if you don't agree with that example you know I could pull out a dozen more.
If the audience is uncomfortable, that seems like it says something about them and their issues, not the movie. I still disagree. Also, Silva was not gay but bisexual.
If you're talking about Silva, sure, I'd love to hear more.
Mask is Zorro is absolutely fantastic (the sequel not so much).
Nah, I ain't gonna talk Silva because I only saw that movie once and nearly fell asleep in the theater.
You don't want to talk about all the casual misogyny and racism of the classic films?
Haha, fair enough. As I said in my earlier post, I agree with you on the older movies -- just not that specific example from Skyfall.
Some new details have emerged:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/danny-boyle-quits-bond-dispute-films-russian-villain/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/22/danny-boyle-quits-bond-dispute-films-russian-villain/
Doesn't sound like the script was the culprit, it seems.
Please, dear god, no.
Sounds about right.
If another one of these movies is ever good, it's going to be a complete accident.
I hope it's not. If they get Elba I can imagine them going back to a gruff Bond like they did with Craig(Which I loved). I believe for the next one they should ditch the grit for a bit, and go with a more stylized approach. Like what they did with Kingsman, but a much more Cold War paranoia version of that (Think The Prisoner). Heck maybe they can retro up the world, similar to the Batman comics.
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So basically it reads like Bond has evolved into a franchise where the star wields more power than the director which is fine but if so why approach someone like Boyle in the first place? They should have hired a shooter to do it. Some UK TV jobber like David Yates was before Potter.
I wouldn't be surprised if the producers were trying to keep Craig happy (he's known to be 'difficult')
Daniel Craig only wants a name director. They get a name director. Daniel Craig wants a lot of 'final say' creative input. Name director won't stand for it and leaves. Daniel Craig only wants a name director.
And on and on and on and on...,
I feel like this may be it and spells the end of Craig's Bond, though. They said two more, obviously, but if this gets pushed back by 6 months or more I can't see him doing another one, especially now the media narrative is shifting to paint him in a negative light.
I think the time has come for a clean slate, though, so hey-ho.
Whoever directs this (or the next film) should bring back David Arnold, though. The scores have been largely unspectacular since Quantum.
I think the time has come for a clean slate, though, so hey-ho.
Whoever directs this (or the next film) should bring back David Arnold, though. The scores have been largely unspectacular since Quantum.
That article is confusing, it says Boyle and Craig disagreed on casting the villain but then goes on to say that Broccoli was infuriated that Boyle wanted to use his own script writer to change stuff up. Weird.
Time to take Craig out to pasture...and Barbara needs to stop being so pushy.
Time to take Craig out to pasture...and Barbara needs to stop being so pushy.
It sounds like they wanted Boyle, to get Boyle it needed to be Boyle's team. Broccoli is already pissed by this, but if Craig wants it. She'll suck it up. Boyle and Craig get into a tuff. Craig as the star, doesn't need to suck it up and Broccoli gets what she wants now, her team back.
As someone who has only followed Bond since Craig burst onto the scene with CR (I loved that film when it came out and still think it's my favorite after going back and watching all those that came before), has production ALWAYS been this shit, or is this a Craig-era only thing?
I mean, I feel like they've just completely flubbed this franchise since CR. It's especially evident as other franchises have grown and done the whole thing just as well (and sometimes better). And in all of it, it seems like the constant variable is Craig.
I get it, people have bad days and work is work is work, no matter what you do. But being such a pain to work with when you're making absolute bank of a classic franchise.... as an outsider looking in, it's frustrating.
I mean, I feel like they've just completely flubbed this franchise since CR. It's especially evident as other franchises have grown and done the whole thing just as well (and sometimes better). And in all of it, it seems like the constant variable is Craig.
I get it, people have bad days and work is work is work, no matter what you do. But being such a pain to work with when you're making absolute bank of a classic franchise.... as an outsider looking in, it's frustrating.
There were already problems brewing since the early days with Spectre, Blofeld and Thunderball. But EON worked around those problems for years on end until Licence to Kill was wrapped and other problems arose which caused a six years gap to happen. After which it seemed they had things fixed until after Casino Royale (no I don't consider the reboot to be a production problem). Quantum had the writers strike, Skyfall its problems are well documented and than there's Spectre you probably also already know.
Honestly it's amazing they Spectre managed to be an actual finished product with the many problems it faced.
It's a shame we won't see Tarantino's casino royale, just for shits and giggles.
This is a shame, but my Bond fanboyism has wained in the Craig age for some reason.
Maybe I need to break out the box set and my seamaster and jump in again.
They also have to update with the changes in the times, licence to kill being a John Mctiernan/Taylor Hackford style thriller for example
This is a shame, but my Bond fanboyism has wained in the Craig age for some reason.
Maybe I need to break out the box set and my seamaster and jump in again.
Bonds leave, it's their thing Goldeneye was written for Dalton then retooled for Pierce (that's why it's the only one of his I really like)
They also have to update with the changes in the times, licence to kill being a John Mctiernan/Taylor Hackford style thriller for example
Why is it being referred to as Bond 25? There's already 26 movies. 25 if you don't count the original "Casino Royale" from 1967 which was more of a spoof. In which case it should still be Bond 26 if not 27. Am I missing something? Does 25 refer to something else? Or do they not count a couple of the films?
'67 Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again weren't made by EON productions. Simple as that.
A Nolan Bond movie already exists and it's called Inception.
Besides, there's too much normal human interaction going on in bond movies that Nolan would just fuck it up with "higher art" dialogue and convoluted concepts that don't belong.
It's his action, and his stance used to be he would never use an action unit.
The Bond films live by the 2nd and 3rd unit shooting the action scenes and they know what they are doing.
But I'm not talking about the action. I'm talking about the storytelling.
I know, I was counterpointing on how he would actually fuck it up.
The scripts in the Craig era have been more Nolan wanky dialogue than most of his actual films
Yeah it hasn't been good, exactly. Meanwhile action hasn't been too bad? We need better interaction not action imho and Nolan would not really be the magic bullet the franchise needs.
I have no idea why people want him.
They make odd choices at times, but while he may want to he is not right for it.
Wade and Purvis and Logan need out first.
Maybe Garland could do it, or what about Pete Tavis?
How about a left field one?
The Spierig Brothers
Maybe even a reference to how he used to be with MI5? Would be amazing, so I don't see this happening, ever.
Besides this one article and the infamous "I'd rather slit my wrists than make another Bond film" I have no idea where this narrative that Craig is difficult to work with comes from. He's not even the only constant variable. There are a number of people who've been through his entire run.
I didn't really pay attention to the production for Spectre, but the previous three films Craig was passionate and a workhorse. He's turned in the best performances the series has seen and had done more of his own stunts than probably anyone in Hollywood besides Cruise.
And they haven't flubbed the series since CR. Spectre is rubbish, but QoS was pretty good in spite of being written during the writers strike and some lousy editing decisions (neither issue being Craig's fault) and Skyfall was a critically acclaimed box-office monster (it was once the 7th highest grossing film of all time).
Beyond that, these films didn't suddenly become messes the moment Craig rocked up. Brosnan's run follows a similar trajectory starting strong and ending with arguably one of the worst entries in the series which is why they so desperately needed the reboot.
It's not looking good for this next film but there are a huge number of variables and factors that have resulted in this fluctuation in quality.
Casino Royale is better than any MI film.
I had someone on twitter arguing with me that Christopher Nolan is a great action director and used Inception as proof. I felt bad for her.
