We have two possibilities.
We use this as a way to expose and correct the systems that led to this, or we are fucked.
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Ex-Trump/Sean Hannity lawyer Michael Cohen has reached a plea deal with prosecutors (UPDATED)
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We use this as a way to expose and correct the systems that led to this, or we are fucked.
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The system was supposed to have built in protections against this kind of thing happening. Hell the founding fathers entire reasoning for the electoral college was to prevent some charlatan who scammed the people from becoming president.
The system became stagnant and taken for granted. Those in the electoral college did not do their jobs and it showed the system broke.
You only need a simple majority in the House to impeach, so if people come out to vote, it's definitely possible. Having the two thirds in the Senate to throw him out of office won't happen though. That would require some Republican support.
This has already happened once before, it was called Nixon. The Trump Presidency means that not only did it happen again, the country's become so vulnerable to corruption that an illiterate man-child with dementia was able to pull off a Nixon, and this time, the legislature isn't even going to do anything about it. Meanwhile, the Republicans are getting exceedingly efficient at the cycle of looting the country until a blue wave, retiring into cushy jobs in lobby & finance, then working the propaganda machine to reverse voter sentiment. The last turnaround was a mere four years. The next blue wave might be reversed in two.
It's going to happen again, and each successive time, it's going to be closer to fascism. Because Americans are just amazingly drool-dripping, slack-jawed stupid.
Trump might actually be removable. I mean if he can make R+10 seats competitive now, people might not want to see him damage the party more. Not super optimistic on this take, but self-preservation instincts must kick in at some point even for super red GOP members.
With Nixon, I think I'd argue that the system did just about work as intended; he wasn't clearly inappropriate at the points where he could have been prevented from becoming president, and when there was a clear and solid case against him, he resigned (with the implication that impeachment was inevitable).
I'm not that up on my history, but I don't recall hearing about implications like "We need to keep a republican majority to protect the president!". That's the sort of thing that's happening now, unfettered, and that's a significant breach in how American democracy is supposed to function.
Yes, I think that's one of my points; this is absolutely the circumstance the electoral college is (nominally, at least) for, and it did not perform as it was meant to.
So this is the talking point being sent to me by my conservative friends.
Obama did the same thing and it was just a fine
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784
Obama did the same thing and it was just a fine
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/obama-2008-campaign-fined-375000-085784
Heck, the electoral college did the exact opposite of what it was supposed to. The issue is that it's fundamentally based on "Politicians know better than you do" which should be problematic for self evident reasons. Either a system like that becomes corrupt, or the people revolt when the electoral changes their votes.
Failing to return excess political donations in a timely manner is the same as paying a mistresss with campaign funds?
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More or less. My point is the takeaway from Nixon's time was far more encouraging. Nixon was a lot smarter than Trump, yet he was compelled to resign in disgrace (and then got pardoned, a massive flaw we've yet to do anything about). The country was very sick for a while but infection met functioning immune system. This time around the pathogen is much weaker, yet the immune response is even worse. This bug is a joke, but the country is sick again anyway because the body is barely fighting back at all.
It doesn't look like this is making the country stronger. This is more like a badly compromised body getting hit with an opportunistic infection, so what's going to happen when someone significantly smarter than Trump sees just how absurdly easy it is to undermine our system and sets up a true authoritarian regime? What has Trump shown that we have in place that can possibly slow it down? I mean, it's nice to know all our weaknesses but no one's doing anything about any of them, and our enemies now know as well.
These are not the "same thing" beyond the most superficial detail that they're both campaign finance violations. The nature of the violations are wildly different.
If Dems get back the Senate and his approval numbers drop enough among GOP in general that some Senators think they could survive a primary attempt by the more crazy wing of the party who are "Trump or Die" then maybe. That would require some long term thinking though, which the current GOP is not very good at.
Surprised the Cheeto's Twitter is still untouched since yesterday.
It shall happen soon, I guess.
It shall happen soon, I guess.
Can't imagine all the wild retaliatory shit he wants to do that staffers have to talk him out of.
White Americans placing racism above what's best for them is an age-old tale.
It's missing random capitalization and insults. I doubt he wrote it.
If I didn't know better that actually sounds like Trump being self-deprecating.
Spoiler: I know better.
I know conservatives just throw would-be incriminating phrases together into google and don't fucking read. From the above article:
"For critics of the Obama campaign, the audit was a reminder of other reporting errors by the 2008 effort, which campaign officials said they tried to correct in real-time. But independent experts, including former FEC commissioner Michael Toner, said after the audit was released that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign."
