I imagine most of it. EA is not a name people like to see these days. Going to take some time for EA and dice to gain back trust, if they can.
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Cowen Analysis: Battlefield V preorders lag behind BO4 by 85%; sales estimates questioned
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I imagine most of it. EA is not a name people like to see these days. Going to take some time for EA and dice to gain back trust, if they can.
From someone who got updates directly from sources within EA: https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/21/...below-expectations-but-it-isnt-about-to-bomb/
Hence why I said I wouldn't confirm the percentages used in the OP as accurate
There is a larger gap between BF and COD then the historical norm though. That is true
I honestly don't think this is because of the "notmybattlefield" bollox but more to do with Battlefront 2.
Battlefront 2 in my eyes really fucked them up.
Battlefront 2 in my eyes really fucked them up.
Because fuck that I need to overreact now dammit!
Nah I don't know, people love to be a part of a "movement".
They should make a three week open beta as soon as they possibly can and then delay the game about three weeks to a month. Won't make a miracle happen but it's gotta be better than this. I think they're in the process of re-marketing the game, but they're still doing it wrong. It's like they're ignoring the fact that this is a WWII game that will follow the major events from beginning to end of the war via free DLC updates; I rarely hear people talk about this, and I'm sure that one sentence could peak a lot of interest.
What's about to come and post this earlier. This seems to be mostly a nothingburger. EA hasn't rolled out their full marketing blitz or the beta yet and by then they'll probably close the distance significantly.
The OP and the title should be edited to reflect this information.
I would actually love something like a steampunk WWIIish type game in the vein of wolfenstein. I don't exactly want modern warfare or future warfare but I don't want to go and never wanted to go to WWI either.
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Sorry am I wrong? Was their a land invasion of England I did not know about,
Edit: I was thinking of Rotherham (England) vs Rotherdam (Netherlands)
Either way the city was not fought over
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I love the fact that BF is visiting my country (Rotterdam), BUT there was never a battle in Rotterdam with allied forces and there was never a battle of Rotterdam in the Centre of the city. The Battle of Rotterdam was a small battle between 1000 Germans and 7000 Dutch forces in the outskirts of Rotterdam about a few bridges.
The battle ended after a few days when Germany threatend to bomb Utrecht, the Hague, Amsterdam and Rotterdam if the Dutch didn't surrender. They did surrender, however, German bombers allready took of. The bombers heading for Rotterdam never received the message that the Dutch surrenderd resulting in them bombing the city.
900 people died and 80.000 people lost their homes that day.
Allied forces bombed Rotterdam three years later. US planes tried to bomb the Rotterdam harbor to defend Britain but instead killed 400 civilians. 13.500 people lost their home during the second bombing"
"outperforming Titanfall 2"
Years after launch I still see Newegg and the like offer Titanfall 2 physical copies for super cheap deals. This is not a bar.
Years after launch I still see Newegg and the like offer Titanfall 2 physical copies for super cheap deals. This is not a bar.
EA is not a name that people like to see for 20 years. I really doubt that it's because of this.
Rotterdam is a city in the Netherlands and saw heavy bombing to the point of nearly being leveled in WW2.
I think you're confusing Rotherham with the Dutch city Rotterdam
I'm 90% sure I'm being trolled but Rotterdam is in the Netherlands.
The tweets above are NOT correct either. The Cowen analyst does NOT use Amazon anymore for their preorder analysis.
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I typed and read the trailer as Rotherham by accident
Isn't that my point? Two months away from launch, and skeptic already crying doom. Don't people ever learn that quite a lot can happen/change in the month leading up to launch? Such were the cries prior to Switch's launch. "Oh nooo, where are the ads, posters, buildboards, tv spots, etc?" Then Nintendo blitz their mouths shut in the final stretch.
Will that happen here with BF5? Who the heck knows! It may or may not, but core gamers/game journalists being so oblivious to the possibility of such a common tactic is quite something.
Ordometer uses Gamestop exclusively now. I'm literally reading their report.
They have SOTR selling the same amount as BFV.
Fallout 76 selling 4x more than BFV and Spiderman 4x more than BFV.
Honestly, it's pretty obviously because of how EA treated their customers with battlefront 2. They lost a LOT of customer confidence with that one.
I wound up buying Battlefront 2. The post launch support and content was less than ideal. Hopefully Battlefield V will be different. Battlefield 1 is one of my favorite games of this generation.
edit* quoted the wrong person
Apparently there has been another update, and Cowen says they are using Gamespot's data, not Amazon:
http://www.talkmarkets.com/content/...efield-game-headed-for-a-rough-go?post=187360
Fallout and Spiderman are both tracking ahead of BFV so they are getting some solid sources then.
Though 4x is excessive and BFV will outsell Tomb Raider significantly
So it isn't RDR2? Also how big is Gamestop when it comes to games sales?
I'm holding out for the Rotherham map announcement. If I can't take out Alex Turner with a Luger, I ain't buying.
I have no idea if the prediction they've made is accurate, but according to the same guy:
Naah. The fact is: two games in a row set in an "old" war have been a mistake.
Probably one of the devs that tweeted out to his followers that if you don't like the game don't buy it. People took offense to that.
I don't think the issue is it being WW2, and more with the fact that it will still play exactly the same despite technology shifting tremendously. Between different generations. I think people were expecting with WW1 that the core gameplay would shift to suit the technological needs of the era, but really, it was still the same game as before, still with machine guns (lol) tons of weird vehicles.
WW2 will have the same exact game design.
WW2 will have the same exact game design.
I won't copy their methodology down word for word but they just look at Game Stop preorder rankings on the website and perform a regressioj analysis based on historical sales. I was posting their list and magnitude to highlight how little credence you can give the report in the aggregate.
Maybe directionally accurate but when I saw those numbers I laughed. They are projecting COD at 22M and BFV at a quarter of that.
The numbers led the witness a little too much and they should hav applied some more logic to how these games actually sell before dropping it.
Sold darn well and had some of the best preorder numbers for a COD in years.
Seemingly has the worst player retention of a COD in years.
Yeah. It seems they have the idea kinda ok. But they aren't putting much actual thought into it.
Like thinking BFV is going to sell comparable to Tomb Raider is...yeah that's not going to happen. BFV is going to FAR outpace it regardless of if the game comes in below expectations. It will outsell Spidey as well just by virtue of being on more platforms
A wounded Battlefield is still a behemoth IP.
It's kinda like Infinite Warfare. Down from previous year's CoD... still best selling game of the year. ;P
Battlefield V's marketing and design choices seem to be bad, boring and unable to keep up properly with a shifting market.
Blops4 on the other hand had excellent marketing, great design choices like ditching the single player campaign to focus on a unique take on battle royale featuring fan favourite maps on top of their regular multiplayer mode.
This is it for these two franchises. The market is shifting so hard that either they make it or break it with these entries.
Blops4 on the other hand had excellent marketing, great design choices like ditching the single player campaign to focus on a unique take on battle royale featuring fan favourite maps on top of their regular multiplayer mode.
This is it for these two franchises. The market is shifting so hard that either they make it or break it with these entries.
Pretty much, rule #1 on twitter never challenge people to do something because trust me they will.
So EA pulled a Filip Miucin.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Fallout 76. People may dislike how Fallout 4 turned out, but it still pulled 12+million sales and BGS still get weird amounts of love. A multiplayer Fallout is gonna secretly kick a lot of sales ass. I have a feeling it'll sneak into the top 5 games on this year. I know it's slated for early November, but I think people are sacrificing playing one of the big October games to get that.
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I used to think it was just a bombing run myself, but if you read the Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_bombing_of_Rotterdam it was actually a pretty pivotal moment in the war. After the Germans not being able to break the Dutch resistance quickly by regular force, the carpet bombing of a civilian target to shock the country into submission is what also made the gloves go off with the allies. It's an interesting setting for sure.
I'm still waiting for proof that EA ever advertised this game as historically accurate because I still for the life of me cannot find such a statement in their marketing.
In fact, what I do see is them always saying the following line: "Our take on World War 2," which sounds to me a lot like alternate history.
Imagine their surprise when they learn that the game will at most pit 64 players against 64 players. EA just straight up pissing on historical accuracy!