I also like that this episode deconfirmed Nacho dying (at least for now). Scenes from the opening were in the season trailer, and people assumed he was gonna get got because of it.
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Better Call Saul - Season 4 - Mondays on AMC
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This one felt a lot like a Breaking Bad episode. I wonder if that will be more the case as time goes on now.
Nah. It's on the right letterhead, it's got a signature-- no way Kim is up for that kind of falsification and they don't show it-- it would be too big a turn for her character.
-- after sleeping on it, i'm not as convinced that kim wrote it as i was last night. BUT.
-- jimmy's birth being just generic enough of a 'your mother never smiled bigger' that "kim wouldn't know that!" is exactly the point. kindofa a goofy rebuttal, isn't it?
-- it being signed 'chuck' is notable and uncharacteristic
-- kim is not above doing anything for jimmy, which is the point of her entire character arc. saul is going to destroy her compass. we've already seen her take part in a con.
-- again i'm not as certain as i was, and G/G don't typically try and do twists without signaling one is coming, but if she didn't write it, we're certainly meant to wonder.
-- the overall point not being whether or not she wrote it, but that we're seeing two characters finally start those separate paths preordained by future history.
-- not sure who made the comment but i love that this is really about kim's misunderstanding of when jimmy was broken. she thinks it was chuck's death, but we know it was much earlier.
-- yes this felt VERY much like a breaking bad episode. i'm ok with that.
-- jimmy's birth being just generic enough of a 'your mother never smiled bigger' that "kim wouldn't know that!" is exactly the point. kindofa a goofy rebuttal, isn't it?
-- it being signed 'chuck' is notable and uncharacteristic
-- kim is not above doing anything for jimmy, which is the point of her entire character arc. saul is going to destroy her compass. we've already seen her take part in a con.
-- again i'm not as certain as i was, and G/G don't typically try and do twists without signaling one is coming, but if she didn't write it, we're certainly meant to wonder.
-- the overall point not being whether or not she wrote it, but that we're seeing two characters finally start those separate paths preordained by future history.
-- not sure who made the comment but i love that this is really about kim's misunderstanding of when jimmy was broken. she thinks it was chuck's death, but we know it was much earlier.
-- yes this felt VERY much like a breaking bad episode. i'm ok with that.
I just read it as Kim deeply cares about Jimmy and she KNOWS this is affecting him, so seeing him shrug it off just hurt her a lot because the guy she loves is clearly not in the right frame of mind.
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David Costabile on singing and memorizing his way through his Better Call Saul resurrection
More interviews with Costabile:
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More interviews with Costabile:
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great episode
didn't cross my mind that Kim wrote the letter
I mean it was from the time when Jimmy still worked in the mailroom, didn't Chuck start to despise him when he wanted to do law? because Chuck respected Law so much and didn't think Jimmy was fit for that.
Either way, really love the show so far, it's just that all other characters are more interesting than Jimmy.
didn't cross my mind that Kim wrote the letter
I mean it was from the time when Jimmy still worked in the mailroom, didn't Chuck start to despise him when he wanted to do law? because Chuck respected Law so much and didn't think Jimmy was fit for that.
Either way, really love the show so far, it's just that all other characters are more interesting than Jimmy.
What makes me think Kim wrote the letter is the sudden change in her attitude, letting her paralegal take care of the first draft of the merger documents. We didn't see what she did between the bank and sitting down to talk with Jimmy. I think she realized while looking at the models that she is "stuck" in a life that she doesn't particularly enjoy, and it's not going to get better anytime soon, so she is trying to focus on tending her life with Jimmy and easing off of the job that is taking all of her time and energy. Why she thinks faking the letter will be the way to do that is unclear to me, though.
No idea how this "Kim wrote it" theory started; I read that scene as Kim reacting like a normal human compared to Jimmy and his hardened heart ("next paragraph.") She seems to realize at the end how cold Jimmy really is. And Chuck could have easily written that letter while in a good/charitable mood, or at the very least with a thought toward his "legacy": leaving behind a "fuck you" letter for his brother would only sour people's grieving over him.
That scene is as good as anything on Breaking Bad, and arguably superior. I also love these penny-ante schemes Jimmy occupies himself with as Gus inexorably builds his empire.
That scene is as good as anything on Breaking Bad, and arguably superior. I also love these penny-ante schemes Jimmy occupies himself with as Gus inexorably builds his empire.
Kim was up to something; had a realization... changed her plans.. went to the courthouse.
Then flash forward to her bringing Jimmy the letter; it's why it feels totally possible that she messed with the letter... on top of the fact that previously she seemed like she might not even tell Jimmy about it.
Then flash forward to her bringing Jimmy the letter; it's why it feels totally possible that she messed with the letter... on top of the fact that previously she seemed like she might not even tell Jimmy about it.
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Bonus vid:
Not yet. You can presumably check out the preview and the sneak peek scene to see where it's going, but please spoiler tag discussion if you'd like to talk about those.
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It was great seeing Gale; his obsequiousness toward Gus is painful to watch (and dude really, *really* wants to break bad, lol)
Interesting theory people think Kim wrote the letter... what if the letter was written by someone other than Charles, but it's not Kim... what if it was Howard?
It's not Kim's style to fake something like that to test Jimmy... I could be wrong, but she seems the very person against such things
It's not Kim's style to fake something like that to test Jimmy... I could be wrong, but she seems the very person against such things
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Long interview with Rhea Seehorn in Salon: Salon talks to the "Better Call Saul" star about lawyer fashion, work, and why even she has to re-watch episodes
(This was posted before last night's episode and they don't discuss Ep 3.)
(This was posted before last night's episode and they don't discuss Ep 3.)
Kim was crying because she knows that shes losing Jimmy. He read Chuck's heartfelt, kind letter like it was a shopping list. The writers have been absolutely masterful this season moving us closer and closer to Saul.
I just re-watched; I very much doubt Kim wrote that letter.
I don't have any great guesses what's up with her but I just really doubt she'd do that; I get why people MIGHT think she did but that's not how I read the scene or how I read Kim in general. I really don't think she'd think some kind sounding letter would actually be helpful to Jimmy for one, because why would she assume it would come across as touching to Jimmy? The letter represents the old Chuck who used to BS about giving a shit about Jimmy, a Chuck who was happy when Jimmy was a lowly mail room attendent staying out of trouble. That letter would serve as a reminder of how Chuck was only happy when Jimmy wasn't actually successful.
I don't have any great guesses what's up with her but I just really doubt she'd do that; I get why people MIGHT think she did but that's not how I read the scene or how I read Kim in general. I really don't think she'd think some kind sounding letter would actually be helpful to Jimmy for one, because why would she assume it would come across as touching to Jimmy? The letter represents the old Chuck who used to BS about giving a shit about Jimmy, a Chuck who was happy when Jimmy was a lowly mail room attendent staying out of trouble. That letter would serve as a reminder of how Chuck was only happy when Jimmy wasn't actually successful.
If you missed this post, it makes an excellent case why she didn't.
My take was that Chuck wrote the letter back when jimmy was still in the mail room when he was actually proud of Jimmy. The fact that he never bothered to update it as their relationship changed just shows how little Jimmy actually meant to Chuck in the end.
I don't think Kim would be that upset simply from Jimmy reading the letter in a flippant manner. She understands Jimmy's problems with Chuck.
My initial feeling was that Kim knows that herself and Jimmy are on different paths. Kim has a very bright future as an attorney while Jimmy is a schemey guy from the mailroom. Kim should have the success of a Chuck, but she's with a Jimmy.
My initial feeling was that Kim knows that herself and Jimmy are on different paths. Kim has a very bright future as an attorney while Jimmy is a schemey guy from the mailroom. Kim should have the success of a Chuck, but she's with a Jimmy.
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They're still mulling it over and haven't made a decision. Originally they were guessing around 5 seasons, but they've noted recently that it could go a bit longer.
I really don't have any definite read on Kim's reaction at the end of this episode. I think it could be many things swirling around at once - concern for Jimmy, disappointment in Jimmy, anxiety about diving back into work, surprise at Chuck's letter, feeling like she and Jimmy are drifting away from each other - but I really don't know. I'm just going to wait and see what unfolds in the coming weeks rather than trying to pin it down now.
If you guys want to be even more confused by Kim, watch the sneak peak scene Cornballer posted lol
It's not a major or even a minor spoiler, it's just... not sure WTF she's up to after that. I think it's showing why she went to the courthouse; but... doesn't really explain why she went to the courthouse.
It's not a major or even a minor spoiler, it's just... not sure WTF she's up to after that. I think it's showing why she went to the courthouse; but... doesn't really explain why she went to the courthouse.
Even before that she knew him well enough to know that Jimmy swapped the Mesa Verde files. She covered for him in front of Charles but then started punching him in the shoulder and didn't even look him in the eye. That should've been her first time examining how Jimmy, although you probably examining how Jimmy's handling the death
Honestly my immediate suspicion was that Kim actually did write that letter.
That said, were that the case I don't expect us to find out the content of that until the end of the show itself. Seems like a perfect "chekhov's gun" to keep in rotation for rest of the series; kinda like the Ricin in Breaking Bad. Have Saul find it but somehow hold onto it throughout all these years and then show it at the very end when he's at the height of his paranoia. Series begins with Chuck and Jimmy, and ends with Chuck and Jimmy, like a karmic little loop.
That said, were that the case I don't expect us to find out the content of that until the end of the show itself. Seems like a perfect "chekhov's gun" to keep in rotation for rest of the series; kinda like the Ricin in Breaking Bad. Have Saul find it but somehow hold onto it throughout all these years and then show it at the very end when he's at the height of his paranoia. Series begins with Chuck and Jimmy, and ends with Chuck and Jimmy, like a karmic little loop.
Great episode. Man, that made that shit real for nacho. Perhaps too real lol. That whole robbing bit with the figure had me dying. Always love seeing Charlie's uncle in other stuff. Like others said this really did feel like a BB episode. Really enjoying the attention to detail.
It was wonderful seeing gale again but also weird. I got so used to seeing that actor on billions as a somewhat loveable but unrepentant shitheel. Feels odd seeing him be the nerdy cook again.
It was wonderful seeing gale again but also weird. I got so used to seeing that actor on billions as a somewhat loveable but unrepentant shitheel. Feels odd seeing him be the nerdy cook again.
I'm not sure I buy that. Kim is well aware of how shitty Chuck treated Jimmy. Many people would act similarly in Jimmy's shoes.
I think the feel of show going from Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad is intentional. As more characters are introduced and the stakes go up, it's only natural that the two shows start to blend together in tone. Eventually the show, like Saul, will break bad and it will feel like a true prequel to BB.
Not sure how so many aren't getting this... I thought they made it pretty obvious.
Why would you go back on this... you were correct.
They even showed Kim's "what is this, one last fuck you from beyond the grave" line in the "previously on" part...
Of course he would have signed with his full name. And he would have dated it, which is why Jimmy comments on that as well. And he would probably have kept the letter updated on a monthly basis with Jimmy's latest fuckups.
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Well they didn't explicitly SHOW her writing it which means it didn't happen to some of the readers of this thread, which is a convincing argument!
(I think we're meant to wonder)
The bigger question is what the hell she's doing / thinking with:
[ ] banking regulations?
[ ] the stop at the courthouse (does she know someone there -- jimmy's friend?)
[ ] being at least somewhat noticeably careless with her new paralegal
I believe Kim wrote the letter just because from the perspective of their writers having Kim in possession of a letter from Chuck which could include damning information about Jimmy makes for easy conflict/distrust somewhere down the line
I think the guilt of knowing how she got Mesa Verde, and what it cost, made her lose all enthusiasm for the client and maybe the profession
Maybe she somehow acquired Chuck's letterhead, so she could write the letter?
Dead people can't actually write letters though... so would a living Chuck write that?
Absolutely, the actual letter must have gone into all sorts of details about the awful things Jimmy has done. Things Jimmy didn't tell Kim about or maybe even lied about, some of it involving Kim (Mesa Verde).
Also good call on the explanation for her reaction with the Mesa Verde stuff. After reading Chuck's letter she is probably looking at all those bank models and thinking of her "ill gotten gains"... now she will probably quit law and go do yoga with Don Draper.
And Gale is a time aberration, snatched from one random Karaoke night
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