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Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account makes transphobic joke (READ OP)
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You do know that transgender people have been posting on this thread right?
Except this isn't even the first time they have done this. How many times are we to give a person repeated chances, especially since people here were out for blood when it was a women mocking a forum poster. But now, twice the twitter feed has done something insensitive at best and issued nothing more than a non-apology and people are falling on their swords to protect them.
Gaming communities are in such a state of disrepair that some people can't even imagine that marginalized people could possibly even exist around them. That's kind of the problem right there, I'm sure we agree :/
I'm not leaving anyone to "fend for themselves" by buying a videogame, and doing so says nothing whatsoever about my integrity. You might want to take a closer look at where your own money goes if it truly means that much to you. You're in real moral trouble if you pay taxes to any government.
It's amazing how low some people will sink to when you say anything even remotely negative about a game they like.
Like for some people here it's Games>Humans.
(Also what a shit response from CDPR. Fuck out of here with that "sorry you were offended" bullshit.)
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So, any bets here on how many more "Polish game studio makes shitty statements" threads we'll need before people finally start to realize that this is Pattern, not Coincidence?
Because I would have thought by this point people would start to put two and two together after Destructive (Hatred) and Warhorse (Kingdome Come). Both Polish.
Bollocks like this (and the other stuff shit that came out of the other two infamous Polish studios) is Mainstream Thought in Poland. You guys need to pay attention more, there's a reason that Poland is considered the toxic Problem-Child of the EU.
The only thing seperating CD Projekt from Destructive and Warhorse is that CD Projekt has (had?) a much more strict and internationally-minded PR-Team making sure that noone of importance gets seen wearing/brandishing White Nationalist paraphernalia or saying anything too overtly controversial - Ultimately at the end of the day CD Projekt is still a Polish studio full of a lot of fucked up Polish sociopolitical-views.
Because I would have thought by this point people would start to put two and two together after Destructive (Hatred) and Warhorse (Kingdome Come). Both Polish.
Bollocks like this (and the other stuff shit that came out of the other two infamous Polish studios) is Mainstream Thought in Poland. You guys need to pay attention more, there's a reason that Poland is considered the toxic Problem-Child of the EU.
The only thing seperating CD Projekt from Destructive and Warhorse is that CD Projekt has (had?) a much more strict and internationally-minded PR-Team making sure that noone of importance gets seen wearing/brandishing White Nationalist paraphernalia or saying anything too overtly controversial - Ultimately at the end of the day CD Projekt is still a Polish studio full of a lot of fucked up Polish sociopolitical-views.
What I don't get is what benefit firing the person or a more 'aggressively apologetic' further statement would serve. You'd know it's not sincere, since it wasn't the gut reaction. It would just be caving to pressure. It wouldn't be a display of a certain stance or sensibility, it would just be to silence people. How is that preferable?
Ok, your trolling has been annoying at best but now you're just using such tired troll techniques that I don't feel like actually explaining why what you just said is wrong when I can just use a comic that does it for me:
If I've learned one thing from this administration, it's that no one should be fired for the stupid shit that gets tweeted on the internet.
The problem there is that hateful people will pose as "confused" people "just asking questions". This happened all the time when GamerGate was at its peak. And you can go into post histories and see that people haven't posted here for months. There are no doubt subreddits that send people here whenever big issues like this come up, in an attempt to shift the overton window. It's only by taking a hardline stance that we can keep our inclusive atmosphere.
Transphobes should be silenced.
Seeing that transphobia gets you fired is an effective way to do that.
Regarding the bolded, was any remotely significant amount of people saying this? I don't recall severe sentiments like that, and I think you can make a comparison for the sake of pointing out presumed hypocrisy without resorting to hyperbole (but maybe I'm wrong and a bunch of people were saying this).
HAHA
FUEL IT she says.
Amazing that letting people fucking live is something that requires to constantly be fueled.
Fuck this lady. The only people making excuses by this kind of behavior are the ones trying to downplay it because they know they do it themselves and don't want the clapback to eventually hit them.
Yeah you fucked up.
Sit down, log off.
Translation: I don't care, and I will be EXTREMELY vocal about how much I don't care.
Ohhh boy were there ever!! The Price threads were a shitshow full of people angry at her.
Well in this case it's literally someone's job to be good at tweeting and saying things that welcome people, not drive them away. I don't care if they get fired but it makes good business sense.
You mean the trans people who already get mocked and harrassed fucking everywhere and are scared of being open about it?
Those trans people that are called PC and thin skinned because a game is more important than a human being?
Trans people that are a minority, that have the highest rate of suicide and need the help and acceptance of non trans people so that they are not treated like shit and human 2nd class?
Sorry but I don't need to be part of the minority to stand against all this toxic bullshit and it has been discusses for YEARS what these "jokes" are and mean.
She was referring to the people complaining that there was an apology in the first place. I agree it's hard to tell in that tweet, but she cleared it up in future ones.
I meant it would be to satiate the people who are vocally upset about it, silence the complaints, not silence the perpetrator.
But I see your point, certainly. In terms of a net positive, I can see it, but in terms of people's relation to CDPR, I don't see that it should logically matter. Regardless of any further moves they make, the initial response was soft enough that their stance seems pretty transparent, and any further developments will be a result of purely PR fallout.
I don't remember anyone saying she should be blacklisted, but I didn't participate exhaustively in the thread, so ok! Seems beyond excessive.
Yeah, the apology is junk and does not validate the number of people that weren't happy seeing that come from what is seen as an ambitious developer.
Not impressed by the official follow up. How about 'sorry for what we tweeted' rather than 'sorry to those offended'.
You can say the original tweet is the result of the poor-judgement/transphobia of one individual on the marketing team and does not reflect the devs. But then, I have to ask you, how many other companies would you make such an allowance for?
Also have to point out, CD Projekt were already viewed as being 'pro-gamer' (I'd say more pro-consumer but meh).
I can already see the cogs turning in gamergaters: 'Pro-gamer CD Projekt make HILARIOUS JOKE and SJW get #TRIGGERED.
Reality: someone makes transphobic joke on company twitter, company issues milk-toast response, those aware of why the remark is transphobic criticise company.
You can say the original tweet is the result of the poor-judgement/transphobia of one individual on the marketing team and does not reflect the devs. But then, I have to ask you, how many other companies would you make such an allowance for?
Also have to point out, CD Projekt were already viewed as being 'pro-gamer' (I'd say more pro-consumer but meh).
I can already see the cogs turning in gamergaters: 'Pro-gamer CD Projekt make HILARIOUS JOKE and SJW get #TRIGGERED.
Reality: someone makes transphobic joke on company twitter, company issues milk-toast response, those aware of why the remark is transphobic criticise company.
I fucking hate that joke and I see it all the time on gaming subreddits. I wish I saw that tweet earlier before I was feeling jazzed about Cyberpunk at Gamescom, but I try not to follow marketing accounts.
The apology is so weak.
The apology is so weak.
A lot of people said she is on twitter with her company name attached to the profile. So whatever she says is representative of her company and hence she needs to be fired.
I mean if it is revealed that the Cyberpunk account is run by a woman, you will suddenly see people coming in to say that she should be fired. We've already seen a wave of people asking us to move on after the non-apology and very few people actually wanting the Cyberpunk person to be fired.
Sorry, but Warhorse Studios is located in the Czech Republic. Different country.
No, I'm not transgender but as a minority I have been on the receiving end of a "joke" that I found insensitive or tone deaf. And I have called them on it and most have apologized and I accept it when they do so. I don't demand for blood after that. Now if it's not enough, then don't support the company. No need to call out for someone to be fired.
And I didn't think it was right for them to go out for blood then either. The company had every right to dismiss her of course and I can understand why they did even if I would have taken a different approach in the matter (warning her to keep her social media as professional as possible and an apology for example). But I also heavily disagreed with people going out for blood on her. That was also not right.
Right click --> Save asOk, your trolling has been annoying at best but now you're just using such tired troll techniques that I don't feel like actually explaining why what you just said is wrong when I can just use a comic that does it for me:
This thread started this morning and it's already 34 pages ( I'm on mobile) ?!? What happened here , I'm dreading going through this ...
I feel like that's letting the terrorist win. People who know what they're doing pretend to be confused and hope you smash all confused people. They want collateral damage because collateral damage helps them recruit. They want to be able to make the case that white straight people are being victimized by "SJW". They hope by saying that, people get angry and start swinging wildly. They hope Antifa shows up and acts violently at their rallies.
It's like when Islamic terrorist hide amongst innocent poor people. The US bombed non violent Muslims and created new terrorist. We said it was necessary collateral damage. It helped the terrorist make their case and keep recruiting off of it.
My point is don't bomb people (figuratively or literally) based on justified assumptions.
This isn't choosing confused people causing harm over LGBTA being victimized. This is about trying to reduce the amount of harm caused to discriminated groups long term.
I think you have to come at the game (not the tweet) from the perspective that this is a foreign product. It will be reflective of a viewpoint that, though superficially similar to an American's is profoundly different to our own.
Poland's taking a turn to the hard right politically. That the developer may have many staff members in line with this is not at all surprising. That some of their viewpoints might spill over into their marketing communications is also not surprising. That they aren't particularly bother by this is even less surprising still. Even though this is an international game, politics are in profoundly local and I think they're making the game they, as Polish people, want to play and not necessarily one we'd want to play.
I'm going to buy it and probably love it, but caveated heavily in my own mind with all the slightly distasteful stuff probably peppered throughout. And that's true of 90% of my media consumption.
Poland's taking a turn to the hard right politically. That the developer may have many staff members in line with this is not at all surprising. That some of their viewpoints might spill over into their marketing communications is also not surprising. That they aren't particularly bother by this is even less surprising still. Even though this is an international game, politics are in profoundly local and I think they're making the game they, as Polish people, want to play and not necessarily one we'd want to play.
I'm going to buy it and probably love it, but caveated heavily in my own mind with all the slightly distasteful stuff probably peppered throughout. And that's true of 90% of my media consumption.
Lol.
I'll say it again: how many other companies would people make this allowance for?
No one really said anything about blacklisting, but the majority of it was men arguing over her professionalism and how that COULD NOT BE IGNORED.
I don't know the crossover between the two but it's pretty obvious that a lot of folks don't care, and they make their bias against women and minorities subletly or outright known.
I thought it was completely insensitive.
I am also trans.
Just my thought. :3
Well you are wrong. Read the OP and learn why it was insensitive.
The mods explained clearly why this is offensive so there is no excuse.
Absolutely disappointing and disgusting, can't believe they couldn't even be bothered to make an actual apology.
If you waste your time treating people acting in bad faith like they mean well, they win that way too.
They want you to accidentally hit people who meant well so that they can point at that and go "look how mean they are!", but... they do that even when you hit people who didn't mean well. And if you don't hit anyone, you waste your time and energy having to patiently explain every little thing while garbage flourishes, preventing you from building communities where it's not tolerated to begin with, and if you ever so slightly step out of line and get frustrated they're still going to point and shout rather than give you the same extreme benefit of the doubt.
At some point you can't just play nice for the sake of it not being fuel for bad people to make a fuss about, because they're going to find ways to make that fuel no matter what.
Love past CDPR games and was/am greatly looking forward to Cyberpunk, but this has left a horrible taste in my mouth with them. The initial tweet was enough to make me question who they are as a company and who they have working for them. Their response leads me to believe their company holds these shitty ideas and views and not just a single person. I mean how can you put that statement out to reflect your entire company unless you really don't give a shit.
Super bummed by this.
Super bummed by this.
The half baked apology is a tactic. Companies don't do this mistakenly. People in general don't do this mistakenly. If someone is actually sorry they don't say "sorry if you were offended" lol.
I don't disagree with your points on recruitment but I do disagree with this premise. Generally 'just asking questions' is a way to slide into a discussion and then muddy the waters... it's not about collateral damage but trying to obfuscate the discussion. For example, in threads about harassment of women, someone would come in and say "I don't know much about this, but didn't Zoe Quinn do X and Y?" based off of a gamergate talking point, in an effort to derail the thread and "they're no angel" the victims.
You saw it in here last night a little bit with some posters saying "isn't this just a meme making fun of SJWs?" where the intent is to try and find middle ground with the moderates on here who may not have an opinion yet, and get them to think of this situation as trivial or "outrage culture". Intentionally trying to ret-con the origin of the meme and redefine it so as to belittle the concerns of the actual targets of the joke, and get people on their side in the process.
Reminds me of Sonic doing a helicopter joke.
Well, they didn't.
I don't think CDProjectRed intentionally meant anything hurtful. They just used an internet meme without fully understand it.
Still a stupid thing to do, but not the end of the world honestly.
I have full confidence in Cyberpunk 2077 and the story of the game. Can't wait for an amazing Cyberpunk experience!
Still a stupid thing to do, but not the end of the world honestly.
I have full confidence in Cyberpunk 2077 and the story of the game. Can't wait for an amazing Cyberpunk experience!
It's honestly not that hard:
"Earlier today we replied to a tweet with a joke we meant playfully, but was actually insulting to the trans community. What's not what we wanted, and it's not how we feel. We removed it once we realized how it came out."
"The tweet brought more baggage than we realized, and we need to apologize for that. The team doesn't support bigoted attitudes toward the transgender community."
"A tweet we sent out earlier (now removed) paraphrased a joke made in bad taste, and the team will hold itself to higher standards in the future. It wasn't our intention, and the community deserves an apology."
"An earlier joke meant playfully landed like a brick, and it came across hostile to the trans community. We've erased it, and we apologize. We'll do our best never let it happen in the future."
"Earlier today we replied to a tweet with a joke we meant playfully, but was actually insulting to the trans community. What's not what we wanted, and it's not how we feel. We removed it once we realized how it came out."
"The tweet brought more baggage than we realized, and we need to apologize for that. The team doesn't support bigoted attitudes toward the transgender community."
"A tweet we sent out earlier (now removed) paraphrased a joke made in bad taste, and the team will hold itself to higher standards in the future. It wasn't our intention, and the community deserves an apology."
"An earlier joke meant playfully landed like a brick, and it came across hostile to the trans community. We've erased it, and we apologize. We'll do our best never let it happen in the future."
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I agree with you, but it's not milk-toast it's milquetoast :P
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