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Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account makes transphobic joke (READ OP)
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I would just like to say - the whole world hasnt caught up. I am not making any excuses but that is just the matter of the case. The outrage (not sure how genuine) is kind of perplexing because how are persons to respond if they are genuinely ignorant or just dont share that viewpoint
It seems some here want them to go into crisis mode and put out a whole PR campaign to show that this is an isolated case and Project Red's devs dont hold any of these views so those persons can go back to fawning over their game.
The world is filled with many people that may hold different views and sometimes the content they produce, we love and we have to make the choice to still consume it or not. I dont think we can expect them to do mea culpa's (sp) until everyone is placated. If they are moved and want to then so be it but expecting that seems....
Yes it can be a teachable moment, maybe it will still be but I think some of the outrage is far out ahead of the incident and then the clean-up (if the apology was the end of it) so far.
I'll wait to see what happens further but at least I did learn something.
It seems some here want them to go into crisis mode and put out a whole PR campaign to show that this is an isolated case and Project Red's devs dont hold any of these views so those persons can go back to fawning over their game.
The world is filled with many people that may hold different views and sometimes the content they produce, we love and we have to make the choice to still consume it or not. I dont think we can expect them to do mea culpa's (sp) until everyone is placated. If they are moved and want to then so be it but expecting that seems....
Yes it can be a teachable moment, maybe it will still be but I think some of the outrage is far out ahead of the incident and then the clean-up (if the apology was the end of it) so far.
I'll wait to see what happens further but at least I did learn something.
always took it as a commentary at how times have changed, both in gender roles and sexuality/gender identity.
basically, one girl posts in a forum and everyone assumes she is a male because the stereotypical demo for videogame forums is mainly male.
or when someone makes an appreciative comment about a girl, everyone assumes is a man speaking and then they discoverer on the other side of the keyboard there's a lesbian.
basically a joke at how imprevedible modern times are in terms of gender in multiple senses
never went straight to "oh how stupid those trans people and their will to be called with a prenouns of a gender that wasn't the one they had at birth"
but like i said,it's probably me just being tone deaf,since it's not the first time that it happens.
Should give this a read then. CDPR has come a very long way since their first game in terms of sexuality.
Clearly I need another 5 days to make my apology sound perfect /s
You're right Phantom Thief. The apology you wrote is much more apt and should be the standard.
They didn't even make an effort.
Well people always say that you need to confront your fears by diving into the deep end. No one told them that sometimes the deep end is connected to a door that only opens on one side and before you know it you get flushed out of the system.
Just asking questions though!
Jokes don't get a pass at bigotry, racism, or transphobia just because they are jokes. Jokes absolutely can cause harm and do. It's quite obvious the trans community on ERA were offended by it and are not laughing. Who's finding it funny exactly?
I know they have improved relative to where they were, that does not have to mean I find where they are now acceptable.
A lot of the issues in TW3 are contextualized, and contextualized well, so fine, as problematic as they are, art shouldn't shy away from depicting problematic or taboo elements. I get that stuff. It's a part of the story they want to tell, and at least they don't glorify it.
But the things I bolded, I feel, were exceptions to that.
I find the joke mostly used often as memes and quotes on several gaming chats as a normal phrase whichs sometimes tends to ban the person who wrote it so I blame myself thiking is a simple joke after all this time
Well i honestly read the twitter picture posted by the OP and all i thought was they were just pointing out Ryan for assuming gender, didn't even see it as a joke. It wasn't till i read the rest of the post and googled it to realize that it was alluding to a meme against the transgender society. Guess that's some insight?
Nah, a Miucin apology would have included them daring Twitter to find other instances of their transphobia.
WHERE WERE THE MODS WHEN THE OLD SITE FELL!?
WHERE WERE THE MODS WHEN THE BIGOTS CLOSED IN AROUND US!?
I don't know. That's why I was asking for context on what the whole tweet was and if it was a joke or more of an attack. I'm not familiar with the meme at all.
It probably helps seeing the tweet they're responding to.
The person doesn't use a comma and the C2077 account decides to use the confluence of the grammar mistake plus the gender ambiguous appearance of the person in the image was the impetus of the tasteless joke. I can see this as them wanting to do a friendly ribbing on the guy. Problem is they fell back on an unoriginal, harmful joke.
The impression I'm getting from people still not seeing why this is a problem is that they lack that context.
Would you be saying the same thing if the joke had been at the expense of black people? Would that have been a teachable moment as well?
I'd damn well expect the company to bend over backwards to distance themselves from those views in that case, what makes jokes at the expense of trans people any different?
"Sorry to all those offended"
Just turning the table and basically saying that those that got rightfully mad at you are the ones that have fault.
The most typical non-apology there is.
You couldn't have chose worse words.
Just turning the table and basically saying that those that got rightfully mad at you are the ones that have fault.
The most typical non-apology there is.
You couldn't have chose worse words.
Well the mods have done a fantastic job weeding out the grossness to eras credit
I work in marketing and that's definitely not true of all companies
Social media interns can often post replies without any kind of approval. This was a reply to some slse's post, not a scheduled CDPR timeline post or something.
Yet another "sorry if you were offended" apology.
Twitter now has up to 240 characters to use per Tweet. You think companies would use that to form a better thoughtful apology than the one CDPR gave out.
Twitter now has up to 240 characters to use per Tweet. You think companies would use that to form a better thoughtful apology than the one CDPR gave out.
I would say though everybody, and I'm not trying to invite a ban or anything, but I would say that while the apology isn't that great, a lot of people are focussing on the first sentence but not on the second:
"Harming anyone was never our intention"
Which I think balances it out slightly, person running the account may genuinely have not intended to cause offence (or maybe they did, who knows).
Not saying they didn't, because they did, and the apology is a bit crap, but it's not the worst apology I have seen.
There is some room for benefit of the doubt, but also understand the skepticism.
"Harming anyone was never our intention"
Which I think balances it out slightly, person running the account may genuinely have not intended to cause offence (or maybe they did, who knows).
Not saying they didn't, because they did, and the apology is a bit crap, but it's not the worst apology I have seen.
There is some room for benefit of the doubt, but also understand the skepticism.
Isn't it basically the same apology they gave when they dogwhistled GamerGate?
Nothing will change for GOG/CDPR. Despite the quality of their games, they have proven (at least to me) that they are not a good company. Their moral compass is all sorts of wrong. They keep trying to appeal to the hateful crowds.
Nothing will change for GOG/CDPR. Despite the quality of their games, they have proven (at least to me) that they are not a good company. Their moral compass is all sorts of wrong. They keep trying to appeal to the hateful crowds.
Yeah, with a generic "Sorry you were offended" "apology".
https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1031930291772899329
Even if it's a joke ridiculing so called SJW, it's ridiculing them for people for standing up for the transgender community.
Also, in case you don't know, the term SJW has been appropriated to be a derogatory term. It's a term the alt right and many people use to dismiss those who stand up for issues that affect minorities.
It's still beating around the bush. "Harming anyone". "Anyone"? No, there was a very specific group of people whom your tweet targeted, have the courage to apologize to them directly.
Unfortunately, this also simultaneously reinforces their "goodwill" with a very vocal, very large group of shitty people in the same fell swoop.
Transphobia and "ridiculing SJWs" go hand-in-hand. Phrases like "There are only two genders" are rallying cries on places like /r/t_d.
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing the harm of transphobic behaviour. Account still in junior phase.
What "Victims" are you referring to?
Trans people who put up with bigotry and discrimination on a daily basis, and had to wake up to seeing something like that from a creator of games they presumably might have loved?
Just trans people in general?
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
The difference is that on this site it catches you a ban in short order, it's specifically baked into the TOS. We might have a load of sock accounts and trolls just waiting to shitpost and then boast about it elsewhere, you get those everywhere, but moderation is both fast and transparent.
"User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying concerns about transphobia. History of severe infractions.
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
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