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GameShrink

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Oct 29, 2017
2,680
Just have the guy apologize.

I don't believe this reflects CDPR at all, and I think they've come a long way since TW1, but this doofus is still a representative of theirs and he should take responsibility for saying a stupid thing while promising not to do it again.

And then we should accept his apology and move on.
 

disparate

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,904
not everyone is into LGBT issues, most people don't give a shit. I assume that a community manager heard/saw the phrase out of context and just used it. Since they are out for a western market they need to hire some LGBT person who digs the issue at hand and let him/her/them(?) moderate all their communications in English.
But... that's the community manager's job, to have a grasp on the context of what they're communicating to the community. -_-
 

CaviarMeths

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,655
Western Canada
Yep. I'm from the home of the Pendle Witches. Grim stuff. People using it to describe white men not being able to say bigoted things is so fucking outrageous it makes me squirm.
That and "lynch mob."

Like, yeah, white dudes not being allowed to say bigoted shit anymore without social repercussions is totally the same thing as a black man being horrifically murdered by an angry mob for touching a white woman.
 

boskee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
418
London
Is there any point in having this thread open at this point? I think everything that could be said was already said, and I can only see the conflict brewing. I mean, it's a good honeypot to catch bigots, but it's also turning into a flame war.
 

Mistouze

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Oct 26, 2017
3,430
But... that's the community manager's job, to have a grasp on the context of what they're communicating to the community. -_-
And even then, I think most people here would be fine with the CM/CDPR coming forward with an excuse for the tweet. It's not that hard really.

You fuck up, you just accept it, learn and move on.
 

Muad'dib

Banned
Jun 7, 2018
1,253
Question to the people downplaying this:

How much longer are you going to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt? They already have an established history of alt right memes, and they have a poor history of misogyny and poor racial representation (specifically the sex cards, the taxi driver on the last trailer, and the lack of PoC on their last game)...So what exactly is the straw that will break the camel's back?


What do you mean? You expect me to boycott their games? Because as much as I disagree with some of their game design decisions their games are still a cut above the rest and I will encourage great game design. I can condemn what the PR idiot said on twitter and acknowledge that it doesn't necessarily reflect what the entire 200+ staffed studio thinks on the issue at the same time.
 

LiK

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Oct 25, 2017
32,091
CDPR social media guy on Witcher twitter is usually on point. Not even sure if this is the same person., But yes, what a fuck up.
 

Musubi

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
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Oct 25, 2017
23,611
How is anybody stupid enough to not think "Did you just assume my gender?" Is offensive to trans people?

How ridiculously complacent and naive would you have to be to just think that is a funny meme and not mocking trans people?

Then they have the audacity to complain or defend shitty people using it and say that they didn't know it was offensive.

Think about it for 2 fucking seconds. It's not hard to imagine why it is offensive. Slack jawed idiots.

Yeah. The "I didn't know" line doesn't really work here unless you have been literally living under a rock for the last 10 years. Transgender people constantly have to fight against people trying to invalidate them. Regardless of if you were aware of the meme it's intentions are extremely transparent.
 

ElephantShell

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Oct 25, 2017
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Social media professionals have such a great job but somehow keep fucking it up. Like how do you get to run a major dev social media presence and think that's okay to tweet.

This is assuming they have a dedicated social media person which.... they should.
 

Deleted member 249

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
28,828
I've decided that I like the cut of your jib, Phantom Thief.
It's just sad to me that something so abundantly and axiomatically self obvious is apparently actually standing out in a thread like this for not being said enough. I would have hoped that Era as a community would be better than this.

''CREATORS SHOULD FREE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR ART!!'' unless it's when the creator wants to add more representation to their product then it's just ''SJWS TRYING TO SHOVE THEIR STUFF IN EVERYTHING!!''. These people are so obvious.


Also, what the fuck is wrong with you CDPR, not even a apology?!
Yeah, people who cry about free speech, and then cry when artists exercise their free speech about "SJW agendas!"
smh

I don't think that is what oni-link was doing, judging by their later tweets for what it's worth.

And yes, every minute CDPR let go by without an apology is an indictment on them.
 

EssCee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,130
Would have honestly had no clue that the tweet was a targeted meme without this thread - appeared harmless without having zero context
 

Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
14,500
If you're gonna roll with "a lot of people don't care about LGBT shit" okay sure. Not going to deny that.

However you don't need to be an activist or deeply in the culture to know "did you just assume my gender" is an insult against trans people. Like put 2 and 2 fucking together and it's obvious what this joke is about.

Feigning ignorance about this is so ballsy. You think people are that dumb? Did the account manager think it was a funny dumn joke? Probably. Is it acceptable? Nope. Is it being a joke an excuse? Nope. Even then all that is being expected is to just be like "we fucked up, sorry. We have to be better"

If that is too much to expect then may as well give up hope on gaming forever.
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
Question to the people downplaying this:

How much longer are you going to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt? They already have an established history of alt right memes, and they have a poor history of misogyny and poor racial representation (specifically the sex cards, the taxi driver on the last trailer, and the lack of PoC on their last game)...So what exactly is the straw that will break the camel's back?

None.

Because muh games are more important than people that don't matter.

I'd guess that's about it.
 

Briarios

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,238
The hard part about doing social media for a company is posting items that look like you're shooting from the hip, while not actually shooting from the hip. You have a responsibility to consider and research every post before actually making it public.

I'm not a huge fan of taking away someone's livelihood over a mistake - that have families and needs, and we need to be better than automatically calling for the destruction of someone's life ... But, this person clearly did their job poorly and it hurt their company -- not to mention, i can't imagine how much it hurt to be a fan and trans, then see that tweet.

The company needs to address it, not just delete the tweet.
 

Deleted member 5491

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Would have honestly had no clue that the tweet was a targeted meme without this thread - appeared harmless without having zero context
Not kowing this as a social media manager either shows that this person is bad at his/her job or is a bad liar.
It's their fucking job to know what to say and what not to say, while representing a COMPANY
 

Deleted member 46489

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Okay, two things. Firstly, remember how gamers were howling in offence when they saw women in Battlefield 5 and the EA head suggested they didn't need to buy the game if they didn't like that?

Because that sure was offensive. But you know what isn't offensive? Making a cruel joke on an oppressed people who have spent years facing violence and ridicule just to have the right to exist as they are. That is free speech, obviously.

Careful not to give yourself whiplash guys.

Secondly, I would like to answer some people who are asking how someone could make a statement like that out of ignorance. I'm not defending the tweeter, just relaying my experience. To give some context before I start- I'm a cis-gendered straight male from India.

For many years I thought that the phrase "Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams" was a motivational quote. Seriously. That said, I don't think that's what happened here.

It took a long time for me to understand that women were human beings just like me, despite growing up in a family with two women- my mother and my sister. It took college education for me to realize that being gay was seriously a thing. Or that patriarchy was a thing. Or that trans people were human beings just like me, and they were suffering societal rejection and terrible violence in my country.

These might sound like obvious concepts to anyone above the age of 5 growing up in a western country, but in deeply patriarchal India, every moment like this was a revelation to me.

So I do understand how statements like this one can be made in ignorance. Doesn't make them any less hurtful or offensive of course, but they aren't always coming from a place of malice, and I think that matters in how we engage with the person making the statement.

Of course, I can never truly feel what a trans person would feel on reading that tweet, so I won't argue with anyone who disagrees with me.
 

HyGogg

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Oct 27, 2017
2,495
This is a classic example of a microagression. It doesn't rise to the level where outrage feels like the right response, but yeah, try to check that shit if you want to interact with the public.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (Banned 1 month): Downplaying transphobia, account still in junior phase
Come on. I'm not transphobic and I support everyone's right to be who they are and not be shit on because of it. But isn't this just mocking the ultimate absurdity of the universe where something as seemingly simple as gender can't even be taken at face value in this modern world? "Did you just misgender me" doesn't necessarily paint anyone in a negative light. The world is changing; conversations are changing. This pokes fun at the conversation more than anything else, doesn't it? But at the same time, if people are bothered by it than its best to apologize I reckon. An offense is an offense whether it's intended or not.
 

Deleted member 5491

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Come on. I'm not transphobic and I support everyone's right to be who they are and not be shit on because of it. But isn't this just mocking the ultimate absurdity of the universe where something as seemingly simple as gender can't even be taken at face value in this modern world? "Did you just misgender me" doesn't necessarily paint anyone in a negative light. The world is changing; conversations are changing. This pokes fun at the conversation more than anything else, doesn't it? But at the same time, if people are bothered by it than its best to apologize I reckon. An offense is an offense whether it's intended or not.
Have you read the OP with the Mod Edit? Because that doesn't seem so
 

.exe

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Oct 25, 2017
22,230
If the person managing the Twitter account was unaware of the meaning of the joke, they're bad at their job.

If they were aware of its meaning and still made the joke, they're bad at their job.

There's no two ways around it. Being able to gauge the audience is literally the main thing a social media rep has to be able to do.
 

disparate

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Oct 25, 2017
7,904
Come on. I'm not transphobic and I support everyone's right to be who they are and not be shit on because of it. But isn't this just mocking the ultimate absurdity of the universe where something as seemingly simple as gender can't even be taken at face value in this modern world? "Did you just misgender me" doesn't necessarily paint anyone in a negative light. The world is changing; conversations are changing. This pokes fun at the conversation more than anything else, doesn't it? But at the same time, if people are bothered by it than its best to apologize I reckon. An offense is an offense whether it's intended or not.
The OP literally addresses everything you're saying.
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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not everyone is into LGBT issues, most people don't give a shit. I assume that a community manager heard/saw the phrase out of context and just used it. Since they are out for a western market they need to hire some LGBT person who digs the issue at hand and let him/her/them(?) moderate all their communications in English.
Why would people even use this shitty joke if they didn't know what it meant?
It is obviously, blatantly transphobic. How could it be perceived any other way?
 

Namyu

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Oct 25, 2017
1,562
Question to the people downplaying this:

How much longer are you going to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt? They already have an established history of alt right memes, and they have a poor history of misogyny and poor racial representation (specifically the sex cards, the taxi driver on the last trailer, and the lack of PoC on their last game)...So what exactly is the straw that will break the camel's back?

It is in EVERY thread regarding something like this. It's in every A Hat In Time thread. It's in every Dragon Quest thread, and now it'll be in every Cyberpunk thread. You will see countless people here tripping over themselves to act like anybody not purchasing the game is unreasonably punishing the developers and overreacting while they feign ignorance because they couldn't care less about anything besides muh games

They will always feign ignorance because it's allowed here
 

Mobyduck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,100
Brazil
Come on. I'm not transphobic and I support everyone's right to be who they are and not be shit on because of it. But isn't this just mocking the ultimate absurdity of the universe where something as seemingly simple as gender can't even be taken at face value in this modern world? "Did you just misgender me" doesn't necessarily paint anyone in a negative light. The world is changing; conversations are changing. This pokes fun at the conversation more than anything else, doesn't it? But at the same time, if people are bothered by it than its best to apologize I reckon. An offense is an offense whether it's intended or not.
It is both a joke that makes fun of the absurd and a joke that makes fun of transgeder people. But, lately, it's more the latter than the former.
 

Darkstorne

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Oct 26, 2017
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Would have honestly had no clue that the tweet was a targeted meme without this thread - appeared harmless without having zero context
How does it come across as anything else? It was an attempted joke trying to mock the idea that PC is going so far you can't even use a phrase like "guys" anymore without being called out for it. That's a silly joke to make at the best of times, but also completely out of context for the situation, and just bizarre for a video game marketing account to even go there. It's stupid on so many levels.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
Come on. I'm not transphobic and I support everyone's right to be who they are and not be shit on because of it. But isn't this just mocking the ultimate absurdity of the universe where something as seemingly simple as gender can't even be taken at face value in this modern world? "Did you just misgender me" doesn't necessarily paint anyone in a negative light. The world is changing; conversations are changing. This pokes fun at the conversation more than anything else, doesn't it? But at the same time, if people are bothered by it than its best to apologize I reckon. An offense is an offense whether it's intended or not.
That's not absurdity. That's reality. The world isn't simple and never has been. We're just becoming more aware of that inherent complexity.
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah. The "I didn't know" line doesn't really work here unless you have been literally living under a rock for the last 10 years. Transgender people constantly have to fight against people trying to invalidate them. Regardless of if you were aware of the meme it's intentions are extremely transparent.
Exactly! Are people really just saying this shit and not giving single thought as to what it means? If they can't be bothered to think for a second about what they are saying then they deserve everything they get, whether they meant to offend or not
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Definitely starting to seem like a worrisome pattern.

Did they ever say what happened to the employe who tweeted the gamergate joke recently?
 

Alucrid

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Oct 25, 2017
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not everyone is into LGBT issues, most people don't give a shit. I assume that a community manager heard/saw the phrase out of context and just used it. Since they are out for a western market they need to hire some LGBT person who digs the issue at hand and let him/her/them(?) moderate all their communications in English.

"they didn't use a transphobic joke to be transphobic they did it because they suck at their job"
 

Quinton

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's just sad to me that something so abundantly and axiomatically self obvious is apparently actually standing out in a thread like this for not being said enough. I would have hoped that Era as a community would be better than this.

Yeah. I woke up pretty disappointed in our community this morning. I wasn't as surprised by the thread title as I wish I could have been, but I was surprised by the OP's mod edit. 12 permanent bans in under an hour? Damning. I just hope this place is a little better for it.
 

Deleted member 5491

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Deleted member 25712

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Transphobic.

If it goes against their values and they as a company want to take a stand against that, then they should put out an apology. But I'm not gonna just assume that everything's fine before they actually do that.

I agree, except for the part where you're assuming guilt before they have a chance to repudiate it. The concept of innocent until proven guilty shouldn't be thrown out, and I don't think an entire company should be called transphobic for the actions of a single employee, unless they back their actions.
 

Memento

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Oct 26, 2017
8,129
I am arguing with a friend for the last 2 hours about transgenderism and he is saying trans people have a psychological problem and the fact that indicates that is that even in countries in which their condition is accepted the suicide percentenge is at 40% for trans people. He concludes saying that, as a society, we should not embrace their psychological problems and "accept them", but actually help them with psychological treatment. He also compared it to schizophrenia when confronted with something I said, stating that it is not because the people that have schizophrenia thinks he sees something that we should keep feeding those visions he had, like... his comparasion was in the sense that it is not because trans people believe they are not their born gender that we should be supoorting that, since it is a psychological disorder.

Thing is, he is one my best friends. And I also really dont think he is a bad person.

That said... he is being a jerk, right?

Also I am not finding the 40% stuff he said. Is he lying?
 

Kenzodielocke

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, I would be very surprised if this was the last incident by them.
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
14,106
I agree, except for the part where you're assuming guilt before they have a chance to repudiate it. The concept of innocent until proven guilty shouldn't be thrown out, and I don't think an entire company should be called transphobic for the actions of a single employee, unless they back their actions.

But they've had hours and hours to repudiate it. The tweet went up at some point yesterday right? How long do you give them?

Technically this is the PR person so they do back their actions until stated otherwise. They're an employee tweeting from an official account. That reflects the entire company until specified otherwise and we're given an explanation as to why.
 

Avis

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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What a doofus. Reminds me of the sonic twitter with the helicopter joke a while back. These transphobic "memes" are horrible and got to go.
 
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