First with the Indian stereotype and now this, and previously with the lack of minorities in Witcher 3 before the DLCs.
Stay classy Poland.
Stay classy Poland.
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Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account makes transphobic joke (READ OP)
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Devil's Advocate:
Why is it that one cannot be responsible for how one reacts to things, but rather places the responsibility on the rest of the world?
Yeah, I'm not really surprised to see these politics seep into a game made in a eastern Europe.
Easy PR mistake to avoid. Should've known better.
Fucking wow. Hope you'll get banned.
Fucking wow. Hope you'll get banned.
If you don't think gay people can be transphobic then boy are you in for a surprise
Eastern european Culture isnt as open minded, Im not surprised that they arent socially aware. Poland is anti abortion, anti immigration and still has ways to go with accepting gays and transexuals (Im assuming whoever tweeted this is polish).
Holy generalisation Batman. Seriously. From a PR guy to the whole company to Poland and now all of Eastern Europe.
Incredibly poor form. It's a good time for anyone reading this to educate themselves on the matter.
For a developer trying to tackle transhumanism, this adds red flags for me.
For a developer trying to tackle transhumanism, this adds red flags for me.
We can all make mistakes throughout our lives by saying something inappropriate.
With a sincere apology it should be enough. But if you insult that person and you burn him to the stake among a pissed-off crowd, because if he does not burn you will not be happy since an apology is not enough for you, you are not better than him.
Some have also attacked the study and the game, which is incomprehensible since they are not to blame.
With a sincere apology it should be enough. But if you insult that person and you burn him to the stake among a pissed-off crowd, because if he does not burn you will not be happy since an apology is not enough for you, you are not better than him.
Some have also attacked the study and the game, which is incomprehensible since they are not to blame.
The only way to make good on this is to release the gameplay footage from the E3 behind doors showing :3
Making ridiculous statements can be funny, like when someone that is obviously female feigns anger at someone gendering them. I was just surprised that it was considered offensive since I've mostly seen it used jokingly by left/feminist types.
The irony isn't lost here I see.
I will make sweeping generalisations about an entire country and that's fine, but an ill conceived tweet is condemnable.
Interesting perspective.
They are still there. Be warned though. Ugliest shit show I've witnessed on this site so far.
Pretty much. I'm not going to attribute it to the entire company, but I'm also not expecting Cyberpunk to handle some of its stuff well at all.
I hope you're not suggesting that people are at fault for being trans. This is not the thread to play devil's advocate.
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Same. This now has me doubting their ability to even understand the source material on anything more than a surface level.
Feminism, or at least parts of it, has a really severe issue when it comes to transphobia.
Just because someone is 'left' in no way means they can't be transphobic.
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How can you be so sure of that? That it has not been something totally and uniquely personal. Do you not know something called "the benefit of the doubt"?
When something like this happens I see this forum in this way. And it's something that terrifies me. It looks like a hive in which you can not deviate a millimeter in your unique thinking.
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Why is it that one cannot be responsible for not getting punched in the face, but rather places the responsibility on face punchers?
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What? Read what I quoted. That's an offensive thing to draw from my statement to be honest.
And don't you dare tell me where I can or cannot discuss things - especially seeing as you have completely drawn something that was not even remotely insinuated.
Forum? More like the internet.How can you be so sure of that? That it has not been something totally and uniquely personal. Do you not know something called "the benefit of the doubt"?
When something like this happens I see this forum in this way. And it's something that terrifies me. It looks like a hive in which you can not deviate a millimeter in your unique thinking.
...Has he apologized? I certainly can't find one on that Twitter.
If not, then why are you spouting this bullshit?
Wow, so progressive.
CDPR did not cross the Kingdom Come line for me yet, but they're really trying hard to get there.
What is the joke?
What part of it is funny?
Is it the lack of empathy?
Is it the part where someone who is not a member of a minority groups makes light of the concerns of that group?
There is no such thing as central Europe. It's either western or eastern.
Nice try, but obviously not the same thing.
Escalating the example instead of actually providing some discussion.
Yes, you are right, physical violence is exactly the same.
You're being very rational and level headed about this, which is great. I do hope however that should CDPR fail to follow through with an appropriate apology, the benefit of the doubt you are giving them will be withdrawn.
Maybe I misunderstood you but perhaps you could explain your statement more? Who should be responsible for what kind of reaction or feelings that they're feeling?
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Thats what I refer. What you call "shit" is my opinion. I love how people on the internet respect the opinion of others when it is not equal to theirs.
Because that is their job. Their job is literally to speak for the studio. They were using the company social media account in an official capacity. If this statement is not a reflection of CDPR as a company, then this person should not be working for them in this capacity.
And you're not being the voice of reason when you try to say that the community is an angry mob for finding the tweet offensive. Transphobia is not "unique thinking."
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What about it? Cause it was Indian?
Does it mean that their team believs every Indian is a taxi driver?Or it's just about odds?
Do i get upset if Italians are depicted as mafia guys in games or other media? No and you know why? Cause i can't deny that we invented Mafia, so the association comes natural, but i don't go around screaming of misrepresentation cause only morons would associate those characters with 'all Italians'. If people actually end up thinking that way about Italians, it's fine for me anyway, they are idiots that don't deserve my attention.
This attitude is neutralizing everything, you can't depict anything in any light without offending someone.
What about if the game has other Indians as engineers, would that be fine?
The loops creators have to go around at this point to make anything are becoming insane.
It's the official Cyberpunk 2077 Twitter account. By definition, whoever tweeted that is speaking for the company, as they hired that person to do. That's why it's on them to apologize.
It's shit because you're whining that people are not being respectful of an apology that doesn't exist. Your opinion is not relevant to the topic of reality.
Ha! And you puting Germany and Poland in the same basket? That's something new.
Can you elaborate on what bullshit he's spouting ? Seems to suggest that if there's an apology and it's sincere it means someone has learned and we should be able to move on. If you aren't able to move past it then you are condemning someone for a mistake, something we are all capable of.
This is all pending that a sincere apology comes out, he's not just saying deal with it.
I'm part German and part Austrian and I'd consider them both Central Europe, yes.
You should clarify what you mean. Because what it sounds like you're saying is that trans people shouldn't be offended, and should just keep quiet about it when stuff like this bothers them.
And why is it that you think we need a devil's advocate in this thread? Do you sincerely believe this or not?
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I honestly didn't know that stupid meme was offensive until this happened (although I never used it myself, because it's a stupid meme and I'm not 12 years old). I know I'm not alone in this either. I have nothing but respect for trans people, but I don't know everything, and neither does some PR person on twitter. I think it's a mistake to throw someone under the bus when we clearly don't know what mindset this statement came from.
It's been what, one day since this happened? Let's wait on an official comment before we get out the torches and pitchforks.
It's been what, one day since this happened? Let's wait on an official comment before we get out the torches and pitchforks.
The person I quoted stated that before you say anything you should be aware of any possible offence anyone could take.
My counterpoint to that, for this particular avenue of discussion, is why?
Offence is relative, what you do in response to offence is elective.
I'm querying perspective - are we saying that being offended is the principal, protectable right?
As soon as I am offended, that immediately makes the person deserving of condemnation?
I'm curious where the line is. I personally view this tweet as rather low key, but the reaction as not.
I'm curious why benefit of the doubt isn't the default position.
And I'm Polish and these countries have never been further apart than now (especially due to the rulling party)
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