Game is not out on the NZ eshop yet. God knows when it'll be released. I hope it is not like Salt and Sanctuary, we are still waiting for it.
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Bad North | OT | It's Vikings Time!
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Thanks but that doesn't really confirm anything. And regardless I still don't understand the point of this trend in game design.
I don't know if there's a bug or I'm missing something obvious, but I've had two instances where a commander that I selected did not show up in the round. I did not clear them as far as I can tell.
Phew, glad to see you can save in some fashion. But hopefully they get into greater detail on how to save.
They're actually being really coy about the progression, like it's some secret we're yet to realize.
I've gotten to %50 completion before getting a game over. Nothing carried over or could be saved. So unless they mean it carries over when you complete a run - I don't know what they are talking about.
Yeah. I don't want to spoil the game for myself but I also don't have enough free time to play a game that doesn't let me save and continue later.
Yes, it saves your run. And you can continue it later. Game overs, on the other hand, might wipe everything.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. This is also a potential deal breaker for me.
The guy replied to my AMA question about losing everything on Game Overs - which is true. He said make sure you have spare squads and flee if need be. The problem is the game forces you to move to harder and harder levels, so if you can't beat a level and get the Gold Coins, than you certainly can't beat the next level.
I have this game, played a good chunk. I really suggest this game to be a Hard Pass
I have this game, played a good chunk. I really suggest this game to be a Hard Pass
Any confirmation that this is a 100% rogue?
I don't see how that works well with a game like this, and having to constantly repeat the levels, since you can't exactly speedrun it.
I don't see how that works well with a game like this, and having to constantly repeat the levels, since you can't exactly speedrun it.
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Hearing some of info on Bad North is kind of bumming it out, but glad I haven't burned 15 bucks on it (yet). I knew this game was a roguelite as its been described before, but I thought the "Rogue" elements were down to the procedural generated islands that had different items to collect and units to recruit. The fact that getting a complete game over will wipe everything out once you get a game over has paused my desire to play this. I'd still want to try it out since the strategy gameplay still looks strong and it gives me Total War vibes with simplified unit management. But also maybe I don't need this game now when I still need to finish Octopath and still need to play Dead Cells. Heck, Donut County is coming out on Mac next week and I pre bought Freedom Planet on Switch already. All four are gonna keep me busy.
I think worse than the full wiping is the fact that new games start with very simple, very samey islands where it's impossible to lose if you are putting in any effort at all. Too much early game.
Wait, can you repeat levels or does the game force you to move to harder and harder levels? Is there a way to grind up your units?
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Yes, there are unit upgrades.
I think it gets progressively harder as you conquer more islands.
That I'm not sure. Supposely, since all islands are procedurally generated, I guess you can't. Can't as in, you play twice, and no 2 islands are the same.
Yeah, I personally don't get the current infatuation with permadeath. It's the one feature keeping me for endlessly replaying Don't Starve, one of my favorite games from recent years, as the feeling of losing all of my progress because I miscalculated on a single fight is very disheartening.
I wish more games would go for accessibility and have a way to turn off permadeath.
I wish more games would go for accessibility and have a way to turn off permadeath.
After going through the AMA I got the impression that they are afraid to plainly state that there's no carryover progress or permanent unlockables because they know it will cost them sales. It sounds to me like the game is incredibly light on content. But I'd love to be wrong, I was looking forward to this one.
For example:
Q: Once you beat it, what keeps the players playing it afterwards?
A: The burning desire to do it all over again?
That answer does not inspire confidence, at all.
But... this is not a roguelike.
It is not even close to be a roguelike.
Okay. I have beaten 90% of this game.
Do not buy it.
I have encountered 2 bugs (one where the enemies stopped spawning, so I couldn't beat the level). The other no picture would load so everything was a white rectangle.
The game forces you to go to harder and harder levels, so no you can not grind. There is no point to getting more than 4 squads (the max you can have out at once). It is better to upgrade those 4. I guess you could use two groups of 4 but the game is so short and gets hard progressively that there is no point.
I rate this game a 4.5/10, it looks pretty good (terrible framerate if you try to tax it) but there is nothing else going for this game. The upgrades get stale after 1 or 2 plays - they are identical every time. There are about 5 items.
Skip it.
Do not buy it.
I have encountered 2 bugs (one where the enemies stopped spawning, so I couldn't beat the level). The other no picture would load so everything was a white rectangle.
The game forces you to go to harder and harder levels, so no you can not grind. There is no point to getting more than 4 squads (the max you can have out at once). It is better to upgrade those 4. I guess you could use two groups of 4 but the game is so short and gets hard progressively that there is no point.
I rate this game a 4.5/10, it looks pretty good (terrible framerate if you try to tax it) but there is nothing else going for this game. The upgrades get stale after 1 or 2 plays - they are identical every time. There are about 5 items.
Skip it.
I thought people here were saying it's a roguelike? If you die and lose progress can you just reload your save?
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Somewhere since 2011-2012, after Super Meat Boy, and after the introduction to Minecraft Survival.
The same time people turned against 2d pixel games.
Then again, Dead Cells just came out and it's both roguelike and 2d pixel and people love it.
Because, not every fucking genre of game needs to be a rogue-like. For this one especially, I don't see how that's a good thing. It made the game go from a 100% to a 0% buy for me.
I agree. I'm enjoying the game but yeah I do think it's a bit thin.
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It's stated it's a roguelite on their details page.
And yet not every genre of game is roguelike. This game caters to people that enjoy that style of game and maybe even others who don't, I've not played it yet so I wouldn't know. And this hostile reaction to the game is not needed. It's a shame you won't enjoy it because it's a roguelike but yours and others reaction is overblown.
I think part of the problem is a lack of games on Switch in certain genres (rts in this case) that don't have strong rogue elements.
To everyone bitching about the prominence of roguelikes/lites, you have to understand that the amount of time and resources it takes to hand-craft levels is enourmous and often results in a short game.
For many devs it's a matter of making the game very short or making the game endless.
One of the biggest and most damamging complaints levied against modern games is length and "value."
The general idea behind a lot of roguelites is that you will slowly but surely become more powerful in some way or another, unlock new elements to be seeded into runs to keep things varied, etc.
Roguelites with well-designed meta progression are addicting and keep the player hooked with a "one more run" mentality because the carrot on the stick always makes the player feel like some headway is being made. Deadcells and Rogue Legacy are great examples of this.
Roguelite games with little to no meta progression are basically arcade games with no continues. It works fine with some genres but not so much others. An example for this is Rogue Aces.
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I've played it for a couple of hours. Here's my impression:
You begin each play through with two commanders on an island. Enemy units will float in and you'll have to protect the buildings on the island from getting destroyed. Once you defeat all the enemies, you receive gold to upgrade your units or give them special abilities. The different classes (archer, sword, or spear) all have their pros and cons, so you'll have to manuver them to the best advantage. You'll also have to travel through the map in the way to get the most items.
I think the strongest part of the game is when you're on the island. The art style is charming and minimalist. I love when you have to make quick decisions, like when you're overwhelmed, but you manage to drive off the enemies. Each island is different, so you'll have to make different stategies each time. However, it can feel a little repetitive once you get a few good strategies that work.
The roguelite elements are a mixed bag. When you lose a commander, they are gone forever. It can increase the tension, but more often than not, it causes frustration, especially at the beginning of the game (loosing one means you'll have no chance of beating the next level). Once all of your commanders are gone, game over and start from the beginning. I feel they could have added something to make it feel like you're progressing.
In my play through, I've had two bugs: one when I couldn't kill one enemy (he was just standing there) and the game wouldn't end, when I tried to leave, I got game over (which was frustrating because I got pretty far). The over, my units spawned in the wall and completely messed up the layout of the map (like I could walk through walls and not on the ground) and I died there as well. There's also a bit of slowdown every so often and it crashed on me once.
Overall, despite all it's flaws, the game play is fun and I've enjoyed myself. If you're interested in it, I'd probably wait for a sale (I'd say $5-10).
You begin each play through with two commanders on an island. Enemy units will float in and you'll have to protect the buildings on the island from getting destroyed. Once you defeat all the enemies, you receive gold to upgrade your units or give them special abilities. The different classes (archer, sword, or spear) all have their pros and cons, so you'll have to manuver them to the best advantage. You'll also have to travel through the map in the way to get the most items.
I think the strongest part of the game is when you're on the island. The art style is charming and minimalist. I love when you have to make quick decisions, like when you're overwhelmed, but you manage to drive off the enemies. Each island is different, so you'll have to make different stategies each time. However, it can feel a little repetitive once you get a few good strategies that work.
The roguelite elements are a mixed bag. When you lose a commander, they are gone forever. It can increase the tension, but more often than not, it causes frustration, especially at the beginning of the game (loosing one means you'll have no chance of beating the next level). Once all of your commanders are gone, game over and start from the beginning. I feel they could have added something to make it feel like you're progressing.
In my play through, I've had two bugs: one when I couldn't kill one enemy (he was just standing there) and the game wouldn't end, when I tried to leave, I got game over (which was frustrating because I got pretty far). The over, my units spawned in the wall and completely messed up the layout of the map (like I could walk through walls and not on the ground) and I died there as well. There's also a bit of slowdown every so often and it crashed on me once.
Overall, despite all it's flaws, the game play is fun and I've enjoyed myself. If you're interested in it, I'd probably wait for a sale (I'd say $5-10).
I like it, but the game just doesn't justify itself as a roguelike. There's not nearly enough variation to make repeated runs feel new or interesting. It's just the same level up treadmill with not nearly enough random items.
I've bought a ton of roguelites, I just don't think this type of game is a good fit for that, and all the impressions I've read thus far justify that.
I played for about an hour in handheld mode, and basically if you like what you see from the trailers and the gameplay video on the first page, I don't see why you won't enjoy it.
Lovely art direction and sound, fairly intuitive controls and satisfying animations. I stayed away from The Banner Saga as it looked like too 'heavy' a commitment, so this hits the spot for short bursts of play.
Lovely art direction and sound, fairly intuitive controls and satisfying animations. I stayed away from The Banner Saga as it looked like too 'heavy' a commitment, so this hits the spot for short bursts of play.
I want to buy it. It looks great, and the concept seems really focused.
But just watched 4 game-breaking bugs on my coworker's switch in the first hour of play. Game booting to white and crashing, crashing during play, levels without units, etc...it's not the perf issues of Sexy Brutale, but it's actively stopping gameplay.
I've shipped enough games and know how hard it can be to get the bugs stamped down before release, so I feel for Plausible Concept. It's hard shipping on multiple platforms and harder still to find the weird bugs you don't see on dev. For now though, to me it looks like a hard wait on a few patches (or maybe a different platform release, depending on your taste).
But just watched 4 game-breaking bugs on my coworker's switch in the first hour of play. Game booting to white and crashing, crashing during play, levels without units, etc...it's not the perf issues of Sexy Brutale, but it's actively stopping gameplay.
I've shipped enough games and know how hard it can be to get the bugs stamped down before release, so I feel for Plausible Concept. It's hard shipping on multiple platforms and harder still to find the weird bugs you don't see on dev. For now though, to me it looks like a hard wait on a few patches (or maybe a different platform release, depending on your taste).
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Please send your inquiries to the developers (in OP):
[email protected]
If they get the issues with as much detail as possible from your co-worker, that would be great.
