One Piece post time jump is straight up bad

Gustaf · Aug 20, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Also post ts moments haven't hit me like pre ts
Ace crying at his death
Luffy losing it at aces death
Merrys death
Robin I want to live
Luffy defeating ussop
Lucci defeat
Sanji tricking crocodile and world government
Whitebeards death

I'm telling yall , its fallen off I can keep going

Only moments close was rocinante death imo , maybe Duffy defeat would have been but the oda stretched the fight so bad we just wanted the fight over when the final blow came or and law slashing vergo and the mountain

idk

se;or pink backstory was interesting, the minks never revealing their loyalty to the samurais was great too, sanji's broken heart, zoro revealing his armament haki. sabo being alive, the straw hat fleet.

so sorry for you not liking it as much, for those we do, it has been fucking great

Sho_Nuff82 · Aug 20, 2018

Doflamingo is a really great villain with a really great buildup and a really cool unique powerset and a great rogue's gallery of underlings, but holy fuck is this anime poorly paced. I fall asleep and miss 2 to 3 episodes at a time and the story has barely moved forward.

Still, I'd put Dressrosa > Punk Hazard > Thriller Bark > Fishman Island

If there was ever an anime that needed a Kai re-release, this is it.

Horned Reaper · Aug 20, 2018

Dale Copper said:
Law also doesn't get the wackiness of the crew:

Yeah exactly. Here he could be replaced with any serious character (read: Zoro) and it would be the exact same scene.

AoM · Aug 20, 2018

VaanXSnake said:
How...

ZoSo006 · Aug 20, 2018

While I hated the Zou mini arc with the stupid mink characters, I'm really enjoying the Wholecake Island stuff especially considering Sanji's my favourite character and love seeing more of his backstory.

It sucks the group is still split up to where I am though (ep 840), it feels like I haven't seen Zoro Ussop, Frankie & Robin in ages!

Gustaf · Aug 20, 2018

Horned Reaper said:
Yeah exactly. Here he could be replaced with any serious character (read: Zoro) and it would be the exact same scene.

naah, Zoro wouldnt have reacted the same at all

Horned Reaper · Aug 20, 2018

Gustaf said:
idk

se;or pink backstory was interesting, the minks never revealing their loyalty to the samurais was great too, sanji's broken heart, zoro revealing his armament haki. sabo being alive, the straw hat fleet.

so sorry for you not liking it as much, for those we do, it has been fucking great

I completely forgot about the mink loyalty part. That was pretty great too yeah.

Deleted member 268 · Aug 20, 2018

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Doflamingo is a really great villain with a really great buildup and a really cool unique powerset and a great rogue's gallery of underlings, but holy fuck is this anime poorly paced. I fall asleep and miss 2 to 3 episodes at a time and the story has barely moved forward.

Still, I'd put Dressrosa > Punk Hazard > Thriller Bark > Fishman Island

If there was ever an anime that needed a Kai re-release, this is it.

Thriller Bark is a perfect arc.

I don't understand that ranking at all.

Sho_Nuff82 · Aug 20, 2018

Rumblebones said:
Thriller Bark is a perfect arc.

I don't understand that ranking at all.

Actual post from me at the old place:

Wrestling fans pining for Vince Russo is like One Piece fans pining for the halcyon days of Thriller Bark. That shit ain't like you remember cuz.

Thriller Bark is all over the place quality-wise, and it doesn't really have anything resembling a good fight.

TheGreatDirector · Aug 20, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Also post ts moments haven't hit me like pre ts
Ace crying at his death
Luffy losing it at aces death
Merrys death
Robin I want to live
Luffy defeating ussop
Lucci defeat
Sanji tricking crocodile and world government
Whitebeards death

I'm telling yall , its fallen off I can keep going

Only moments close was rocinante death imo , maybe Duffy defeat would have been but the oda stretched the fight so bad we just wanted the fight over when the final blow came or and law slashing vergo and the mountain

Fisher Tiger's backstory
Luffy's reunion with Sabo
Kyros' staying with Rebecca
Kaido's damn entrance
Minks's sacrifice on Zou
Katakuri vs. Luffy

There's a ton of moments post timeskip that are among One Piece's highs.

cHaotix · Aug 20, 2018

One Piece is still solid, far and away better than plenty of other shonen. Post timeskip has been weaker than the first half but Dressrosa and WCI have been solid for the most part. I want to know what you guys would consider good shounen if you think One Piece has been bad.

Trafalgar Law said:
Let's not even get into how wack sanji has become prior to pre ts
Sanji was written a ton more smart , intimidating and clever , mr prince I miss you

Yeah, I hate how Sanji's been treated post TS. Dude used to be my second favorite SH after Luffy but now he's just a joke, catching L's left and right (except with Viola).

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Thriller Bark is all over the place quality-wise, and it doesn't really have anything resembling a good fight.

This best part in Thriller Bark was Luffy pushing the zombie back into the ground.

Ninjimbo · Aug 20, 2018

You guys complaining about the lack of moments in post timeskip aren't remembering correctly. God l-Usopp was a thing!

NeroPaige · Aug 20, 2018

Like someone said, watching it bit by bit might not be good for their attention spans. I don't watch it like that either, I wait long stretches then catch up.

silva1991 said:
Also fuck big mom and her " weddingu kiiiki" shit. Stop shouting that 100 times in every damn episode.

It's "WEDING CAYKEEEE".

I like it lol.

Sho_Nuff82 · Aug 20, 2018

Ninjimbo said:
You guys complaining about the lack of moments in post timeskip aren't remembering correctly. God l-Usopp was a thing!

Usopp getting the largest bounty had me dying laughing. Reminded me of the moment in Super where Frieza tried to go after Krillin again just because.

Deleted member 268 · Aug 20, 2018

Sho_Nuff82 said:
Actual post from me at the old place:

Thriller Bark is all over the place quality-wise, and it doesn't really have anything resembling a good fight.

I rewatch Thriller Bark like once a year around Halloween. It's in my Top 3 arcs, right behind Alabasta. I've written a number of posts detailing my praise.

It's among the best paced, most consistent and rewarding arcs the series has to offer. It is, at its heart, quintessential One Piece at its finest: humour, heartbreak and spectacle delivered in a relatively short and sweet, and extra hilarious short number of chapters/episodes. It's one of the few arcs where the anime truly outshines the manga as well with fantastic use of colour and animation and music in a big way.

When is the last time you watched Thriller Bark? I can't believe an arc that gave us Brook, Oars, Moriah and his crew, Nightmare Luffy, Zoro vs Ryuuma, SHP vs Oars, Usopp vs Perona, Binks' Sake and Kuma could be held in such low estimation amongst some of the worst arcs One Piece has had when it should be in fact regarded as one of the best.

Ginta · Aug 20, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Like.i said best thing about post ts one piece is Law , only thing that salvaged punk hazard for me

One Pieces Poochie is the worst.

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Dragoon said:
1

The only part that resonated with me as much as all those season post timeskip was the end of Law's flashback.. and then I watched Luffy beat Doflamingo for the simple fact that he's the main character of the series.

Yeah kyros or law doing the final blows to Duffy would have been way more satisfying
In other cases they didnt have fighter as capable of kyros or law around, luffy doing it didnt even have that much satisfaction in comparison to what could have been

Dale Copper · Aug 20, 2018

Ginta said:
One Pieces Poochie is the worst.

Law will go back to his home planet or dead one of these days.

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Horned Reaper said:
It's not as good as it was, but it's not that terrible. Fishman Island was bad, Punk Hazard had it's moments, Dressrosa's first half was good, Zou and Cake Island were decent, and the Reverie arc was pretty eventful for the few the chapters it had. With at least 6 of the supernova's involved in Wano, the upcoming arc could at least

I don't get the love for Law though, one of the most plain and boring characters out there. Typical cool guy with a 'sad' past. Capone had a ton more personality in the relatively few chapters he was given.

Broken as hell devil fruit that is incredible fun to watch in battle , people like typical cool dudes
and he had the most exciting moment in the TS when he arrived , owning the bandit bros and smoker and vergo , he was so incredibly hype in punk hazard

It's like after the really bad Fishman island , punk hazard starts slow but then law appears , then bam he has a broken as a fruit, then bam he can crush a vice admiral easily , then bam he wants to take down kaido , then bam he slashes a mountain in half
Easy to see why fans loved him

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Dale Copper said:
Law will go back to his home planet or dead one of these days.

Wish this was still neogaf and veelk was around

The depiction of okamas is offensive as hell
The treatment of a ton of female characters

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Dale Copper said:
Law will go back to his home planet or dead one of these days.

Law is gonna be around for a while
Super super popular and the architect of the kaido plan
We have him being a major player and ally for a while

Ninjimbo · Aug 20, 2018

Rumblebones said:
I rewatch Thriller Bark like once a year around Halloween. It's in my Top 3 arcs, right behind Alabasta. I've written a number of posts detailing my praise.

It's among the best paced, most consistent and rewarding arcs the series has to offer. It is, at its heart, quintessential One Piece at its finest: humour, heartbreak and spectacle delivered in a relatively short and sweet, and extra hilarious short number of chapters/episodes. It's one of the few arcs where the anime truly outshines the manga as well with fantastic use of colour and animation and music in a big way.

When is the last time you watched Thriller Bark? I can't believe an arc that gave us Brook, Oars, Moriah and his crew, Nightmare Luffy, Zoro vs Ryuuma, SHP vs Oars, Usopp vs Perona, Binks' Sake and Kuma could be held in such low estimation amongst some of the worst arcs One Piece has had when it should be in fact regarded as one of the best.

This guy knows what's up. Thriller Bark is funny as fuck and all around awesome when it gets going. It also has one of the best moments in OP history: when Zoro absorbs all of Luffy's pain. The image of Zoro standing all bloodied after Sanji wakes up...goosebumps man.

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

TheGreatDirector said:
Fisher Tiger's backstory
Luffy's reunion with Sabo
Kyros' staying with Rebecca
Kaido's damn entrance
Minks's sacrifice on Zou
Katakuri vs. Luffy

There's a ton of moments post timeskip that are among One Piece's highs.

luffy and sabo was good , but sabo was such a late addition that it didn't hit quite as well as luffy saving ace so theres that

Kyros is boss , sadly rebecca sucks
Kaido hype as hell
Minks was alright I guess , seemed a bit much to me
Didnt care for fish tiger
Katakuri vs luffy was great

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Dragoon said:
1

The only part that resonated with me as much as all those season post timeskip was the end of Law's flashback.. and then I watched Luffy beat Doflamingo for the simple fact that he's the main character of the series.

Also yes and yes to all those moments you added
Post ts has failed to get me as invested as those
Strawgats interactions arent enem close to as funny or natural as before, chemistry is off
Also pre ts zoro as a character and his fights >>>>>> badass badass no mi post ts zoro easily

Deleted member 268 · Aug 20, 2018

Ninjimbo said:
This guy knows what's up. Thriller Bark is funny as fuck and all around awesome when it gets going. It also has one of the best moments in OP history: when Zoro absorbs all of Luffy's pain. The image of Zoro standing all bloodied after Sanji wakes up...goosebumps man.

My man.

Alabasta is still the best in my opinion, but that's really considering the entire sprawling saga from Whisky Peak to Drum Island to Little Garden to Alabasta. I fucking love everything about that entire saga so I tend to give the #1 spot to Alabasta, and by that same token I would have Water 7 and 2 or 3, but I have Thriller Bark in my Top 3.

Pre-timeskip One Piece is just wonderful, start to finish. I have no complaints. I loved the sense of adventure and togetherness. That's all that really mattered to me when it came down to it.

Post skip, I just don't like the long periods of separation. I understood why, and I adore Impel Down and Marineford for those reasons, but post skip, I'm just not with it when Oda has the screw split up and go their separations for so long. I feel like it's a great way to explore as much content and do as much world building as possible within a shorter amount of time, but boy does it feels like it diminishes what I love about One Piece.

NeroPaige · Aug 20, 2018

GameShrink said:
Whole Cake was great, but only because it bucked the usual arc formula.

I have zero excitement for Wano, on the other hand, because the setup follows that formula precisely.

One Piece arc template:
1. Luffy and crew crash land in a strange new place.

2. They encounter an oppressed female character who explains the plight of the land.

3. Small-fry villains show up to illustrate that oppression while also hyping up their mysterious boss. Often these early fights introduce a "guest" character who becomes a temporary member of the crew.

4. The mysterious boss appears, typically defeating Luffy or other members of the crew to showcase how dangerous they are.

5. The villains and heroes get paired up for individual fights, culminating in Luffy defeating the main boss.

6. The Straw Hats celebrate the land's newfound freedom with the arc's supporting cast.

So yeah, I don't think it's "OP is bad after the timskip," but instead "The formula that OP has always relied on is finally getting stale.

I have a feeling the formulaic approach to arcs (esp villains and encounters) is to create an easier structure/foundation for video games to follow (namely - pirate warriors series) or something.

Ginta · Aug 20, 2018

People hating Skypia, Zou and Thriller Bark, while praising Fishman Island, is this Bizarroera?

Oda already acknowledged his problem with damsel in distress situations and tries to stop repeating that pattern.

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Ginta said:
People hating Skypia, Zou and Thriller Bark, while praising Fishman Island, is this Bizarroera?

Oda already acknowledged his problem with damsel in distress situations and tries to stop repeating that pattern.

Did that in dressora
and honestly reiju was one

Seesaw15 · Aug 20, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Also post ts moments haven't hit me like pre ts
Ace crying at his death
Luffy losing it at aces death
Merrys death
Robin I want to live
Luffy defeating ussop
Lucci defeat
Sanji tricking crocodile and world government
Whitebeards death

I'm telling yall , its fallen off I can keep going

Only moments close was rocinante death imo , maybe Duffy defeat would have been but the oda stretched the fight so bad we just wanted the fight over when the final blow came or and law slashing vergo and the mountain

Sorry you're not feeling TS but this moment is as good as anything pre-time skip.
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Gustaf · Aug 20, 2018

Ninjimbo said:
You guys complaining about the lack of moments in post timeskip aren't remembering correctly. God l-Usopp was a thing!

ussop reaction to his own candy was fucking great

he abandoning robin wasn't

fuck usopp

abellwillring · Aug 20, 2018

I've seen one or two of the movies that were on Hulu or Netflix, but that is about the only exposure I have to One Piece in the last 10-15 years. How far did they jump ahead in time? Is Luffy the King of Pirates?

Luminish · Aug 20, 2018

GameShrink said:
Whole Cake was great, but only because it bucked the usual arc formula.

I have zero excitement for Wano, on the other hand, because the setup follows that formula precisely.

One Piece arc template:
1. Luffy and crew crash land in a strange new place.

2. They encounter an oppressed female character who explains the plight of the land.

3. Small-fry villains show up to illustrate that oppression while also hyping up their mysterious boss. Often these early fights introduce a "guest" character who becomes a temporary member of the crew.

4. The mysterious boss appears, typically defeating Luffy or other members of the crew to showcase how dangerous they are.

5. The villains and heroes get paired up for individual fights, culminating in Luffy defeating the main boss.

6. The Straw Hats celebrate the land's newfound freedom with the arc's supporting cast.

So yeah, I don't think it's "OP is bad after the timskip," but instead "The formula that OP has always relied on is finally getting stale.

Throw in a member of the crew having some connection to the oppressed or oppressors, who decides to leave the crew because of personal connection, and luffy literally punching sense into them that they should rely on the crew to help.

Wes D. Mess · Aug 20, 2018

Holundrian said:
The biggest problem of the time skip it was utilized as a big reset instead of a big evolution. Most shonen time skips I've seen seem to work out this way. Instead of evolving and surprising people they reset. Naruto had the exact same problem when he evolved jack shit into shippuden.

At least I guess we're slowly getting to the new world alabasta counterpart I feel so we're slowly getting to the great stuff again.

I know for me the chapters immediately following the time skip were a little underwhelming. During the break I was wondering how long it would take for the Strawhats to meet up, how different would Luffy be after the events of Marineford, how would arcs be structured...and then Luffy is more or less the same, the crew reunites almost immediately and the first big arc we get follows the same formula that early One Piece arcs do. None of it was bad IMO but it didn't quite hit the mark, especially coming after the Marineford War saga.

Trafalgar Law said:
Yeah kyros or law doing the final blows to Duffy would have been way more satisfying
In other cases they didnt have fighter as capable of kyros or law around, luffy doing it didnt even have that much satisfaction in comparison to what could have been

Kinda feels like Oda reintroduced Bellamy primarily so he could give Luffy (and the audience) a sympathetic figure to relate to, giving Luffy a legit reason to take out Doflamingo himself instead of Law

Chumunga64 · Aug 20, 2018

I dislike the character re-deisgns but i have no big problems with the timsekip stories aside from Dressrosa dragging and Rebecca being the worst

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Gustaf said:
ussop reaction to his own candy was fucking great

he abandoning robin wasn't

fuck usopp

Aw man that happened, pre ts ussop wont have done that imo
Oda just does weird outta character things
Ussop can have hella resolve

Wes D. Mess said:
I know for me the chapters immediately following the time skip were a little underwhelming. During the break I was wondering how long it would take for the Strawhats to meet up, how different would Luffy be after the events of Marineford, how would arcs be structured...and then Luffy is more or less the same, the crew reunites almost immediately and the first big arc we get follows the same formula that early One Piece arcs do. None of it was bad IMO but it didn't quite hit the mark, especially coming after the Marineford War saga.

Kinda feels like Oda reintroduced Bellamy primarily so he could give Luffy (and the audience) a sympathetic figure to relate to, giving Luffy a legit reason to take out Doflamingo himself instead of Law

It just didnt hit quite as well , with a law there was a sense of you got this coming , all this time kill Duffy with luffy after a while, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT DAMN CHASE it was so tedious , entered finally good riddance
Oda mishandled crodocile 2.0 , as I call Doffy when it came.to the final fight

Like I said law has been consistently surrounded with the best moments in the manga post ts
He legit saved the manga for me ( pre ts my fave was sanji? RIP mr prince and loved all the strawhats not so much anymore)

Trafalgar Law · Aug 20, 2018

Seesaw15 said:
Sorry you're not feeling TS but this moment is as good as anything pre-time skip.
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Great moment For a character I didn't care for
You get me , little prior care for him

Philly Cheesesteak · Aug 20, 2018

This thread is hilarious. Dressrosa dragged on for literally years. How anyone can say that's good, but not WCI is absurd to me. Also, what other manga right now how the kind of mainstay power that One Piece does? Don't even say HxH. The author has to actually release chapters for that first.

B-Dubs · Aug 20, 2018

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ElBoxy · Aug 20, 2018

Trafalgar Law said:
Yeah kyros or law doing the final blows to Duffy would have been way more satisfying
In other cases they didnt have fighter as capable of kyros or law around, luffy doing it didnt even have that much satisfaction in comparison to what could have been

You can argue Princess Vivi or King Cobra dishing out the final blow to Crocodile would have been more powerful than Luffy. I don't think that negates what happened, unless you just weren't sold on the direness of Dressrosa.

Mik317 · Aug 20, 2018

my only issue is that there are often waaaay too many characters introduced lately. Yeah arcs drag a bit but every volume I read in one sitting and be shocked when they end...thats a sign I am still enjoying it IMO>

AoM · Aug 20, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
This thread is hilarious. Dressrosa dragged on for literally years. How anyone can say that's good, but not WCI is absurd to me. Also, what other manga right now how the kind of mainstay power that One Piece does? Don't even say HxH. The author has to actually release chapters for that first.

Wait, what does the latter half have to do with the former?

Philly Cheesesteak · Aug 20, 2018

AoM said:
Wait, what does the latter half have to do with the former?

Just seeing people I've talked to try to say HxH is better than OP considering how spotty that series is.

Wood Man · Aug 20, 2018

Fishman Island was really bad. I stopped watching and skipped a bunch of episodes to the end.

Dressrosa dragged. Luffy's fight with Belamy and pushing the birdcage back seemed like it would never end.

Whole Cake has been good. Important stuff is happening and you ca finally see an end in sight.

AoM · Aug 20, 2018

Philly Cheesesteak said:
Just seeing people I've talked to try to say HxH is better than OP considering how spotty that series is.

Well, I'd be one of those people.

Both have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Ogodei · Aug 20, 2018

thetrin said:
I can't be the only person that is wondering what the fuck Thriller Bark is, right?

The source of the greatest meme:

AgentLampshade · Aug 20, 2018

Dressrosa was hit or miss for me. Anything personally involving Doffy, Law or Fujitora was great, but a lot of the other characters and events didn't stand out. Rebeccas arc fell very flat for me. Feels like Violet should have taken her role. The Tontattas were just...there. I vividly remember dreading the chapter that would focus on them. The coliseum fighters felt like fodder until we were told they're actually going to be important later on. Sugars DF hit some weird horror notes for me. It's just strange to have a fruit do that much.

Some things I liked that weren't Doffy, Law or Fujitora: Senor Pinks fight and story, any scene with Bartolomeo, Sabo and Koalas reintroduction, Usopp's Haki awakening and Kyros beheading "Doffy". Oh and Doflanemon.

GG-Duo · Aug 20, 2018

Agree with most of the sentiments here.

I was a huge One Piece fan, but post-time skip has been quite underwhelming. There are a few genuinely cool moments but it feels more chaotic than ever. I wish Oda can get an editor that would reign him in and get him to have more focused attention.

EDIT: He also needs to chill with those wild face designs. I feel like there were a lot of characters in Corrida Colosseum that were straight-up ugly.

AoM · Aug 20, 2018

GG-Duo said:
EDIT: He also needs to chill with those wild face designs. I feel like there were a lot of characters in Corrida Colosseum that were straight-up ugly.

He and Togashi must be on the same wavelength.

Jam · Aug 20, 2018

What's the expected timeline of One Piece left now? How many Manga/AniEpisodes are generally expected leading us until MM/YYYY?

Keep meaning to give it another chance and keep thinking no I'll wait until it's finished.

DanarchyReigns · Aug 20, 2018

Jam said:
What's the expected timeline of One Piece left now? How many Manga/AniEpisodes are generally expected leading us until MM/YYYY?

Keep meaning to give it another chance and keep thinking no I'll wait until it's finished.

Every time someone asks this, Oda adds another 20 chapters.

One Piece post time jump is straight up bad

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