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PlayerOne

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Apr 16, 2018
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TBF the same thing happened in God of War. The World Serpent was definitely downgraded and the developer denied. We need to wait and see.
The snake wasnt downgraded, the screenshot people were iffy about was a diffrent cutscene than the trailer reveal. In that scene it looks the same with slightly changed colors
 

DMVfan123

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,361
Virginia
So since y'all are talking about downgrades instead of the combat, I'm guessing that there's nothing to worry about when it comes to that. Great!
 

LapinAgile

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Oct 29, 2017
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For all the downgrade folks, do your return your food if it doesn't look like it does in the menu? As for the trailer the combat looks like it has a lot of fun options. Trip mine is my favorite of what has been shown so far.
 

Indominus

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Jan 11, 2018
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The snake wasnt downgraded, the screenshot people were iffy about was a diffrent cutscene than the trailer reveal. In that scene it looks the same with slightly changed colors
Sorry but it doesn't. I'm talking about the reveal of the World Serpent. I remember putting the uncompressed gamersyde video while playing the game and the difference is clear, isn't just colors.
 

Ravelle

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Oct 31, 2017
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The downgrade talk is probably why some studio's won't show anything until they're ready to release.
 

ckareset

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Sorry but it doesn't. I'm talking about the reveal of the World Serpent. I remember putting the uncompressed gamersyde video while playing the game and the difference is clear, isn't just colors.
Yeah, I would say the serpent is the same quality but the overall scene isnt.
 

Kenzodielocke

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like, as if people talking about the downgrade are necessarily shitting on the game or developers. Still buying it and it still looks great.
 

Zedelima

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well, now about spider man, it doesnt seem to be downgradead at all.

And if it is, is probably something that you wouldn't notice when playing the game.

Edit: well i saw the screenshot and...idk what happened with the uniform textures, maybe a different post process? It looks flat, but eg, it doesn't matter that much, game looks awesome (gameplay/visuals)
 

Ricky_R

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
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There were definitely some serpent changes for the worse in GOW, but it didn't matter at the end of the day because the game looked amazing. Just as Spidey will if there are a couple of downgrades here and there.
 

jstevenson

Developer at Insomniac Games
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Oct 25, 2017
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That's certainly possible.

Especially for the detail in the red box. I definitely think some detail was removed in the red circle though. It's like... the smallest thing in the world though. No way you'd even notice it while playing. The lighting definitely looks more appealing to me in the 2017 demo and I liked the look of the bigger puddles but that's all subjective.

you're literally talking about potential post effects slightly obscuring things different than they did before. Or video compression accounting for those differences. Any number of things.

The assets didn't change, and the game looks way better than it did in 2016, or even 2017 for that matter.
 

PSOreo

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Oct 27, 2017
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yeah but like

how would you know

I don't know whether this is a joke or not but you do know he's one of the developers of the game right?

Furthermore I wish the term "downgrade" was just banned. It's ridiculous the way people nitpick things to the nth degree. Just enjoy the damn game and wait until it's released. The internet culture of complaining is so unreal these days.
 

PlayerOne

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Apr 16, 2018
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Sorry but it doesn't. I'm talking about the reveal of the World Serpent. I remember putting the uncompressed gamersyde video while playing the game and the difference is clear, isn't just colors.
Well i just played this section in ng+, paused and compared and it looks the same only in the trailer his right side looks more wet, and in game his nosreis more wet. Teeth, shadows, and geometry is the same.
 

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Looks great, props to the devs for the amazing work. Animations, visuals, world etc look on point.
But I'm still on the edge. Didn't like Arkhams combat because it got tedious and hope this will be different, but this trailer did not show me enough of the mechanics. Will wait for the first impressions I guess.
 

LossAversion

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Oct 28, 2017
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you're literally talking about potential post effects slightly obscuring things different than they did before. Or video compression accounting for those differences. Any number of things.

The assets didn't change, and the game looks way better than it did in 2016, or even 2017 for that matter.

I have no reason to doubt you. I'll be able to make a proper and fair comparison when I'm playing the game for myself on my new Spider-Man themed PS4 Pro.

It's a wall texture. It's really not important in the slightest. It's just interesting to make comparisons as games develop over time. I don't know if youtube compression and motion blur would obscure that much detail but I'm not making some definitive statement. The game looks incredible overall.
 

HStallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like, as if people talking about the downgrade are necessarily shitting on the game or developers. Still buying it and it still looks great.

Mostly I just have to roll my eyes after people rip a screen shot from a youtube video and then compare it to a shot from a Gamersyde 4K video from a year ago and start talking about downgrade.
 

Gravemind IV

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Nov 26, 2017
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Well, this too. Not sure what's up with the textures in this scene from the latest trailer. We've seen better in other post-E3 trailers this summer, so maybe it's just the lighting here?

(Left is 2016 reveal, right is 2018)

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Yikes, that's definitely not lighting alone.
 

Indominus

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Jan 11, 2018
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Well i just played this section in ng+, paused and compared and it looks the same only in the trailer his right side looks more wet, and in game his nosreis more wet. Teeth, shadows, and geometry is the same.
The wetness and the shadows are the biggest difference imo. The Serpent emerges from the water completely dry in the final version, even the mouth is dry. Anyway, this doesn't seems the right place to discuss that. Let's agree to disagree lol.
 
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I have no reason to doubt you. I'll be able to make a proper and fair comparison when I'm playing the game for myself on my new Spider-Man themed PS4 Pro.

It's a wall texture. It's really not important in the slightest. It's just interesting to make comparisons as games develop over time. I don't know if youtube compression and motion blur would obscure that much detail but I'm not making some definitive statement. The game looks incredible overall.

Yes, YouTube would obscure that much detail.

Trust me. It's been a thing since the beginning of this generation and there's countless examples showing how terrible YT compression is.
 

scottbeowulf

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Oct 27, 2017
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there's no downgrade.

A downgrade implies we reduced the capabilities or qualities of the game, none of that is true.

The position of the sun has changed during development, which has changed the lighting in some scenes we showed previously.

The puddle was moved for #reasons.

Some people are trying to say his suit texture is gone too - but I've pulled it up and it's still there, it's just bad video compression combined with the motion blur at that moment (being compared to a slowdown moment in the original trailer).

We've shown what, an hour of footage in the last 2 months (maybe a bit less) and the game still looks as spectacular as it did when we showed it (it actually looks better, really) - so I don't get that downgrade talk.
Thanks for taking the time to post. Even though some will just ignore. Can't wait to play!
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Every single one of you complaining about "downgrade" are a fucking embarrassment. And a nothing more than spoiled, petulant children.
you're literally talking about potential post effects slightly obscuring things different than they did before. Or video compression accounting for those differences. Any number of things.

The assets didn't change, and the game looks way better than it did in 2016, or even 2017 for that matter.
Those people don't deserve your time.
 

LossAversion

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Oct 28, 2017
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Every single one of you complaining about "downgrade" are a fucking embarrassment. And a nothing more than spoiled, petulant children.

Those people don't deserve your time.
Or... I just find it interesting when things change over the course of a game's development. Talking about apparent differences doesn't mean you're complaining or threatening to cancel your pre-order. It's possible to have a reasonable discussion like, "Hey this wall texture doesn't look as detailed now", "Yeah but youtube compression could be hiding the details". I don't know how you get "petulant children" out of that but hey, fuck you too I guess.
 
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Why is Scarlet SPider's thing holograms and not Impact webbing or stingers?

Maybe they just really wanted to reference the fact he's a clone?Becayse it should be stingers or impact webbing, but there could also be more than one Scarlet Spider suit in the game.


Spider-man |OT|: Dry as the Sahara

Spider-man |OT|: The World's Most Niche Superhero

Every single one of you complaining about "downgrade" are a fucking embarrassment. And a nothing more than spoiled, petulant children.

Those people don't deserve your time.

Lol I wouldn't go that far, but yeah, the downgrade talk is crazy. Insomniac has nothing to prove as far as I'm concerned
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or... I just find it interesting when things change over the course of a game's development. Talking about apparent differences doesn't mean you're complaining or threatening to cancel your pre-order. It's possible to have a reasonable discussion like, "Hey this wall texture doesn't look as detailed now", "Yeah but youtube compression could be hiding the details". I don't know how you get "petulant children" out of that but hey, fuck you too I guess.
Then i apologise.

There are fuckbois that pull that shit.
 

Derrick01

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Oct 25, 2017
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and people wonder why CDPR showed Cyberpunk behind closed doors

Yeah I'm starting to come around on that decision now. I mean I personally don't like it because I can handle a "downgrade" based on knowing how development works over the course of a 2+ year dev cycle, but the internet in general isn't capable of that discussion. I get their perspective now.

Please send me a private video of it though I promise I won't tell
 
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Yeah I'm starting to come around on that decision now. I mean I personally don't like it because I can handle a "downgrade" based on knowing how development works over the course of a 2+ year dev cycle, but the internet in general isn't capable of that discussion. I get their perspective now.

Please send me a private video of it though I promise I won't tell
It's really insane because I always get on devs for "hiding" their game and maybe sometimes they are but damn if I don't get it now. Why show u a game a year or two out it apparently only always bites you in the ass with some of these ppl
 

LossAversion

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Oct 28, 2017
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Then i apologise.

There are fuckbois that pull that shit.
No problem.

I get it but I wasn't trying to hold up a neon sign like, "Look at this bullshit! The WALL has less BUMPS on it now! FUCK THIS SHIT! I can't believe Insomniac has RUINED Spider-Man. Hard pass!".
 

Soupman Prime

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Nov 8, 2017
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I don't know whether this is a joke or not but you do know he's one of the developers of the game right?

Furthermore I wish the term "downgrade" was just banned. It's ridiculous the way people nitpick things to the nth degree. Just enjoy the damn game and wait until it's released. The internet culture of complaining is so unreal these days.
I never knew these were big deals until lurking the other place and joining here. I'm not crazy into graphics and frame rates though, only time I really noticed was when I played Skyrim on my PS3 or Blighttown. The game looks gorgeous and more amazing everytime it's shown.
 

bunkitz

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Oct 28, 2017
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So... jstevenson will we be able to move the camera around in Photo Mode while in the middle of a finisher animation?
Maybe they just really wanted to reference the fact he's a clone?Becayse it should be stingers or impact webbing, but there could also be more than one Scarlet Spider suit in the game.
Hopefully we'll get Ben Reilly Spider-Man and its suit power will be some mega impact webbing of sorts. I kind of doubt the stingers would make it considering how lethal they can be... Although, hey, maybe we'll get Kaine's Scarlet Spider. That'd be a perfect fit.