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Apple |OT|

What Apple Products do You have?

  • Mac

    Votes: 394 64.0%

  • iPad

    Votes: 446 72.4%

  • iPhone

    Votes: 535 86.9%

  • Watch

    Votes: 368 59.7%

  • Airpods

    Votes: 405 65.7%

  • AppleTV

    Votes: 308 50.0%

  • None: The Dark World

    Votes: 25 4.1%
  • Total voters
    616
Aiii

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jts said:
Well I can't get a picture when I turn HDR on, even if plugged directly to the TV. I'll try to mess with the settings but I was pretty sure it has to be the cable?
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I mean, I'm not saying it absolutely can't be. But even the cheapest cables are so-called "high-speed" cables. There's not really a special cable just for HDMI 2.0 data, it's all just data to the cable. All that's required is that it can throughput all of it, hence "high speed."

Cnet has a decent article on it: https://www.cnet.com/news/what-hdmi-cable-should-i-buy/
 
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Aiii said:
I mean, I'm not saying it absolutely can't be. But even the cheapest cables are so-called "high-speed" cables. There's not really a special cable just for HDMI 2.0 data, it's all just data to the cable. All that's required is that it can throughput all of it, hence "high speed."

Cnet has a decent article on it: https://www.cnet.com/news/what-hdmi-cable-should-i-buy/
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Thanks, disregard my previous post, I'm in! Just plugged it to a different HDMI port. Today I learned.
 
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Oooof, latest dev beta of Mojave is rough after the previous ones being pretty much smooth sailing. MacBook + Trackpad freezes regularly, random unlocking even without the Watch etc.
 
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Vuze said:
Oooof, latest dev beta of Mojave is rough after the previous ones being pretty much smooth sailing. MacBook + Trackpad freezes regularly, random unlocking even without the Watch etc.
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Was thinking about downloading it tonight, but I guess I'll wait :/. Oh well.
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...plan-revamped-low-cost-macs-to-reignite-sales

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Apple Inc. will release a new low-cost laptop and a professional-focused upgrade to the Mac mini desktop later this year, ending a drought of Mac computers that has limited sales of the company's longest-running line of devices, according to people familiar with the plans.



The new laptop will look similar to the current MacBook Air, but will include thinner bezels around the screen. The display, which will remain about 13-inches, will be a higher-resolution "Retina" version that Apple uses on other products, the people said."
 

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MrKlaw said:
So what do they then do with the MacBook 12" and the MBP 13" non touchbar?
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They'll hopefully drop the non-TB MBP, since this update would make that very redundant. Now Pros should have touchbars only, ending a lot of product confusion.

The rMB I would imagine stays put for the time being, since it starts at 256GB and this will likely only start at 128GB. Plus the portability, colors, etc. Maybe it gets a price drop down to $1199
 
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if they stick a Retina display in the Air, upgrade the CPU, and keep the MacBook and the non Touch Bar Pro then... wtf

I think this new Air will replace the non Touch Bar 13 inch.
 

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people have been clamoring for a retina MBA for so long, it will be very popular, only thing that will really bother people is the USB-C ports
 
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Maybe they will finally make a MacBook that can convince people still holding to 2010-2015 MacBooks of upgrading... which I honestly think it's a lot of people. I know a bunch still on Airs and even on thick MBPs. The low-mid MacBooks seem like a worse deal by the year and that has to hurt sales. Then again, it never seemed like a undeliberate choice in order to drive people to the iPad.
 

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The real hype in that article is a "pro-focused Mac mini." Like, christ. Yes. Give me that shit. And make the RAM and storage upgradable like the 2012 one.
 

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detuned radios said:
The real hype in that article is a "pro-focused Mac mini." Like, christ. Yes. Give me that shit. And make the RAM and storage upgradable like the 2012 one.
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You're funny.

Edit: the more I hear about these changes to the iPad Pro and MacBook line the more I think we won't see them until October, just to give room from the student pricing promotion
 

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Zeyphersan said:
You're funny.
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I would be pretty surprised if the RAM wasn't upgradable, to be honest. Even the iMac Pro has socketed RAM even if it's a pain to get to, and the 27" regular iMac still has accessible slots. I think "you can upgrade the RAM" is still in Apple's playbook for pro desktops, at least. I would also bet Mac mini sales dropped quite a bit with the 2014 model in no small part because it was so non-upgradable, which would explain why they're pitching this one as "pro-focused."

Not sure if they'd do upgradable storage, though. M.2 would be totally viable if they insist on PCIe SSD storage but they haven't shipped a single M.2 product thus far.
 
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Omg what about a pro focused Mac Mini with upgradable storage and ram and TB3 and hook it up to an eGPU.
 
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I use my phone to scrub video on the Apple TV as well.
ESPECIALLY if the video doesn't let me at least move back and forth in chunks with the preview windows.
 
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Aiii said:
There's secretly no such thing.

Pretty much every cable you currently own is a "high speed" hdmi cable, and it will be just fine.
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This isn't true. There are hdmi cables with bandwidth issues especially for 4K HDR.

A bad cable is the first thing I'd check if I'm getting no picture or have issues with hdmi handshaking.

You wouldn't believe the number of users in the TV thread that have solved their issues solely from getting a new cable.
 
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Sooo, no refresh for rMBs? How reliably can we say that now? Cause if it's pretty much confirmed we won't be getting new 12" rMBs, I'm gonna go and buy the current 256gb 1.2GHz one like.. tomorrow.
 
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I wonder how cheap they mean when they say "low-cost". I'd like to get my first Mac product one of these days.
 

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Yeah I'm really curious. They were talking about it on Accidental Tech podcast this week, but their low-end lineup is just a mess of overlapping product categories and outdated or cheap products that nevertheless still aren't something to recommend.

For the desktop, if they stick SSDs in even if that raises the base price it's worth it.For the laptops, it just doesn't seem like the retina MB can drop in price enough to replace the MBA, or get close in performance, so it feels like the weakest link even if it's been updated more recently. I don't see the design making sense unless it was an Apple CPU in there.
 

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A 256GB PCIe SSD comparable to what it's in the current MBP line is like $100 on Amazon (and therefore almost certainly cheaper for Apple). A $599 Mini with a 15W quad-core CPU, 8GB of DDR4 RAM, and a 256GB SSD would be a very viable and capable config, especially with eGPU support. Step-up options to a 28W quad-core or 45W six-core, up to 64GB of RAM, and possibly the dGPUs from the 15" MBP are all viable possibilities.

This is assuming a form factor similar to the current mini.
 

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detuned radios said:
I would be pretty surprised if the RAM wasn't upgradable, to be honest. Even the iMac Pro has socketed RAM even if it's a pain to get to, and the 27" regular iMac still has accessible slots. I think "you can upgrade the RAM" is still in Apple's playbook for pro desktops, at least. I would also bet Mac mini sales dropped quite a bit with the 2014 model in no small part because it was so non-upgradable, which would explain why they're pitching this one as "pro-focused."

Not sure if they'd do upgradable storage, though. M.2 would be totally viable if they insist on PCIe SSD storage but they haven't shipped a single M.2 product thus far.
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I feel like the m.2 dream has sailed with the T2 chip. Apple's going to stripe its own proprietary modules together for speed and security. Great for most uses, bad news if you're interested in upgrades or repairs at home.
 
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I have sources deep in Apple. They have confirmed to me the following about the Mac Mini Pro.

Will be size of Apple TV 4K. Comes with one Thunberbolt 3 port. Base model will have a 512GB Fusion Drive. Integrated GPU.

Starts 899.

:P
 

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fuchsdh said:
I feel like the m.2 dream has sailed with the T2 chip. Apple's going to stripe its own proprietary modules together for speed and security. Great for most uses, bad news if you're interested in upgrades or repairs at home.
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T2 doesn't mean you can't use M.2 - the current implementation of T2 uses it as the SSD controller, but this isn't technically necessary for its security benefits like hardware encryption.
 

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detuned radios said:
T2 doesn't mean you can't use M.2 - the current implementation of T2 uses it as the SSD controller, but this isn't technically necessary for its security benefits like hardware encryption.
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I just don't see Apple having used it with proprietary modules on its current crop of desktop and notebooks and then turning around and using m.2 later. I feel like we would have already seen that switch.

In some ways the m.2 thing seems kind of like Lightning—Apple moved while the rest of the industry was stuck in the past, and now are sticking the course on their own solutions.
 
Vuze

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If the Mac mini team messes up the refresh I'm gonna put plenty of cookie crumbles on their MBP keyboards. It's good to have reaffirmation its coming this year
 
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You'd need to at least double the height of the Apple TV to get to the thermal requirements of a modern Mac mini, and the Apple TV 4/K is already pretty ugly proportioned compared to the beautiful ATV 2/3!

Or make it wider, fixing those aesthetics!

Honestly, it's easy to forget about it, but it's still a damn shame.
 

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I always thought they'd refresh the mini when they had the ARM chips ready, guess i was wrong... ...or not?









(yes i was.)
 
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My dream Mac Mini refresh would be something close to $500 with the ability to easily replace the RAM and SSD. I don't need one at all but would probably pick one up as a file server or something for that price.

But I expect it won't be upgradeable and will cost like 1500+ to customize at which point most will just go with the iMac instead.
 
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I wonder what the thermals would be like trying to play games on a Mac Mini pro connected to something like a Vega 64 eGPU.

Of course it's all speculation but if it's a tiny form factor closed box then the thermals might not be so great for long gaming sessions.
 

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DekuBleep said:
I wonder what the thermals would be like trying to play games on a Mac Mini pro connected to something like a Vega 64 eGPU.


Of course it's all speculation but if it's a tiny form factor closed box then the thermals might not be so great for long gaming sessions.
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When I'm rendering on my Mac mini it screams like a banshee but performance doesn't dip. I imagine it'd be fine for games, especially if you're offloading some of the heat. Doing it for hours and hours day after day? Who knows.



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My dream Mac Mini refresh would be something close to $500 with the ability to easily replace the RAM and SSD. I don't need one at all but would probably pick one up as a file server or something for that price.


But I expect it won't be upgradeable and will cost like 1500+ to customize at which point most will just go with the iMac instead.
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If the $500 price point stops them from doing something like putting in an SSD, they should just bump it up to its historic $599 price point. Right now the entry-level Mac desktops simply aren't worth the money.
 
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Anyone seeing a bug in the youtube app where the video controls randomly pop up as though you've touched the screen/video?
 
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thebigcountry said:
There may be a refresh with 8th-gen chips for the MacBook in the fall. It'll probably come with the newest revision of the butterfly keyboards seem in the MBP as well.
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Oh yeah, didn't realize rMBs also had one of those supposedly fragile keyboards? Could definitely be worth waiting for. Maybe it'll get truetone too?

On the other hand, it's not going to become my daily driver so I can't see it not lasting me easily 2-3 years at the very least with no problems. Can just upgrade in a few years if it does break or something.

Dang it. I'm so impatient lol.

e: bought it lol.
 
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Any thoughts on the current $1,099 iMac? My parents are gonna need a new computer soon; they're currently using a 2010 Acer PC and I'd love to move them over to an iMac for ease of use and security reasons.

I wanted to try to get them a retina display, thinking it was easier on their eyes, but Best Buy is currently selling the $1,099 iMac for $849 pre-tax and that's damn tempting.
 

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maximumzero said:
Any thoughts on the current $1,099 iMac? My parents are gonna need a new computer soon; they're currently using a 2010 Acer PC and I'd love to move them over to an iMac for ease of use and security reasons.

I wanted to try to get them a retina display, thinking it was easier on their eyes, but Best Buy is currently selling the $1,099 iMac for $849 pre-tax and that's damn tempting.
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5400 RPM makes the thing a chore, even for basic use. I have one in my iMac and it sucks.
 
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5400 RPM makes the thing a chore, even for basic use. I have one in my iMac and it sucks.
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Well poop. It's going to be basically a Internet/E-Mail and Photos machine so I was hoping even the old platter-based HDD would be fine.

I have a 2012 iMac that I'm trying to sell on eBay at the moment and I'm really tempted to try to crack it open and install a SSD and give them that but I feel like that's just delaying the inevitable.
 

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maximumzero said:
Well poop. It's going to be basically a Internet/E-Mail and Photos machine so I was hoping even the old platter-based HDD would be fine.

I have a 2012 iMac that I'm trying to sell on eBay at the moment and I'm really tempted to try to crack it open and install a SSD and give them that but I feel like that's just delaying the inevitable.
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Mine is also the first 4K model from 2015 so the base CPU can't handle that resolution at all. But most of the issues come from the HDD, I can tell. Photos takes a while to load up, and load pictures in to actually view.
 
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