The Witcher 3: What if everyone got together and give a game a pass for having shit gameplay?

thomasmahler · Aug 19, 2018

Yup, if you compare Witcher 3 to things like the Souls series, it's very apparent how outdated and lackluster the actual gameplay is. But people kept playing cause they found the stories enticing - so no big deal. If you're into gameplay first- and foremost, Witcher 3 probably won't be your kinda thing, but if a good story can keep you trucking along, it's definitely worth a try.

Deleted member 8196 · Aug 19, 2018

Yossarian said:
Isn't this the very definition of a 'hot take'...? :D

Yes it is.

Shelbyville Milhouse · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
literally the quest design is speak to npc, hold L2 to follow the piss trail, pick up item or fight thing, go back to npc

Which is literally every quest in every game ever, except sometimes you follow a floating icon on your map.

Ximonz · Aug 19, 2018

the gameplay is average at best imo, certainly not shit.

it gets annoying when enemy become dmg sponge though.

Deranged Hermit · Aug 19, 2018

The combat is fine, even great at times on DM.

tiebreaker · Aug 19, 2018

My main gripe with the game is the clunky movement. It's not fun to walk around in the game.

catboy · Aug 19, 2018

Fantastapotamus said:
Which is literally every quest in every game ever, except sometimes you follow a floating icon on your map.

not really no

games like Horizon, Ubisoft games also do this, but there are games which have better quest design than that, which don't rely on detective vision cookie crumb trails

Much · Aug 19, 2018

Kenzodielocke said:
Because it's not fucking shit mate.

First post gets it. It really isn't bad at all.

Deleted member 8196 · Aug 19, 2018

Japanonaut said:
LOL, I mean I suppose gameplay is entirely down to the to the individual .

But I have to give a hearty LMAO for the Bloodborne W3 combat comparison .

Many people say W3 combat is trash . Not just forums

TW3 combat is not trash, it's fine for the type of game, you dont play TW for the gameplay, at all.

Trash lmao

Yossarian · Aug 19, 2018

thomasmahler said:
Yup, if you compare Witcher 3 to things like the Souls series, it's very apparent how outdated and lackluster the actual gameplay is. But people kept playing cause they found the stories enticing - so no big deal. If you're into gameplay first- and foremost, Witcher 3 probably won't be your kinda thing, but if a good story can keep you trucking along, it's definitely worth a try.

Your sensible, even-handed approach to criticism has no place on the Internet!

Stygr said:
Yes it is.

NediarPT88 · Aug 19, 2018

"Complete shit" is a bit excessive, but yeah gameplay isn't exactly good which is unfortunate since this is a pretty long game and also one that encourages multiple playthroughs to see the different story choices.

Shelbyville Milhouse · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
not really no

games like Horizon, Ubisoft games also do this, but there are games which have better quest design than that, which don't rely on detective vision cookie crumb trails

Give me an example of a quest that's not "talk to NPC, go to location,get item/fight/talk, end quest"

henhowc · Aug 19, 2018

Lmao 80hrs.

Imitatio · Aug 19, 2018

Witcher profits from the other strong parts of the game. Compared to something like Horizon combat doesn't get in the way whereas due to HZD's greater focus on combat gameplay, its flaws when playing a certain way become very annoying very fast.

That's why I don't mind W3's clunky combat that much when compared to other games. I think AC:O struck a nice balance with this - though that one's clearly lacking in other departments where its competitors are stronger in.

Soul Lab · Aug 19, 2018

LinkStrikesBack said:
If you're just using quen and doing a few sword strikes, getting hit and then waiting to cast quen agajn, then you are not even attempting to use he combat system properly. If you ignore the vast majority of your combat options then don't like the combat, that's pretty much on you.

Can't disagree on the overuse of Witcher senses though

If you can ignore the vast majority of the combat options and still can make it through the game, then there is something wrong with the combat system imo.

There isn't a reward either for using all the options you have. So there is not really a reason to use them all

wallweasels · Aug 19, 2018

Fantastapotamus said:
Give me an example of a quest that's not "talk to NPC, go to location,get item/fight/talk, end quest"

When you boil things down to such simple terms you basically can't name any game that doesn't have something like this. It's like saying "oh the combats just you hitting the enemy until its dead."

Shelbyville Milhouse · Aug 19, 2018

wallweasels said:
When you boil things down to such simple terms you basically can't name any game that doesn't have something like this.

Which is exactly my point

sappyday · Aug 19, 2018

Bumping up the difficulty made it fun for me, especially while focusing on alchemy.

Lukemia SL · Aug 19, 2018

tiebreaker said:
My main gripe with the game is the clunky movement. It's not fun to walk around in the game.

Yep, nor is it fun to ride that horse.

catboy · Aug 19, 2018

Fantastapotamus said:
Give me an example of a quest that's not "talk to NPC, go to location,get item/fight/talk, end quest"

I just specifically pointed out that the issue is the over reliance on detective vision / cookie crumb trail

And if you want an example of games which do not do that, breath of the wild, octopath traveller, god of war 2018

Xando · Aug 19, 2018

I can't take people serious that claim a gameplay of a game is shit after playing it for 80 hours.

Deleted member 8196 · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
I just specifically pointed out that the issue is the over reliance on detective vision / cookie crumb trail

And if you want an example of games which do not do that, breath of the wild, octopath traveller, god of war 2018

God of War? Are you serious?
Go talk to brok or sindri and retrieve craft materials.
Go talk to the ghosts and kill X enemies, retrieve my shit etc...

Did you play God of War?

grmlin · Aug 19, 2018

Every time I try to get into Witcher 3, I end up playing through Bloodborne again.

It's just not for me I guess :/

honest_ry · Aug 19, 2018

The combat is fine.

lucebuce · Aug 19, 2018

OP,

Deleted member 1852 · Aug 19, 2018

The combat is bad in TW3 but you can just set it to Easy difficulty and play it for the story, which is what you should be playing it for anyways.

Shelbyville Milhouse · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
I just specifically pointed out that the issue is the over reliance on detective vision / cookie crumb trail

And if you want an example of games which do not do that, breath of the wild, octopath traveller, god of war 2018

So your only problem is the detective vision? Lol okay

I mean there are a lot of quests that don't use it but I guess those don't count

catboy · Aug 19, 2018

Stygr said:
God of War? Are you serious?
Go talk to brok or sindri and retrieve craft materials.
Go talk to the ghosts and kill X enemies, retrieve my shit etc...

Did you play God of War?

have you been reading my posts?

when does god of war have you using detective vision and a cookie crumb trail?

catboy · Aug 19, 2018

Fantastapotamus said:
So your only problem is the detective vision? Lol okay

Yes? I literally said that in my first post...

"hold L2 to follow the piss trail"

it takes away any need for thought, you know exactly where to go because of the cookie crumb trail and when you arrive at the scene there is no investigation or critical analysis, you just hold L2 then press a button over a glowing spot while Geralt puts it all together for you

Luchashaq · Aug 19, 2018

Plenty of "good" games have worse combat, it's just easier to ignore in W3 because if you put it on easy it's over much faster, and everything else is amazing.

The combat is no worse than many other highly thought of games like GTA5, Uncharted 1-3, BOTW, Skyrim, Fallout, and many others.

o k said:
have you been reading my posts?

when does god of war have you using detective vision and a cookie crumb trail?

Trying to navigate it's semi open world with such an awful map is why I did almost none of the side content, GOW would have been better if it had that stupid crumb trail for it's side stuff.

joylevel11 · Aug 19, 2018

Xando said:
I can't take people serious that claim a gameplay of a game is shit after playing it for 80 hours.

yeah. i wouldn't put 80 hours into a "shit" game. no chance! 10 hours at the absolute most depending on the game of course.

reminds me of those joke steam reviews "played 2,000,000 hours: it's ok i guess". "played 3,000,000,000 hours: it sucks."

Deleted member 25108 · Aug 19, 2018

They need to hire some combat designers, thats for sure.

Euler · Aug 19, 2018

PixelatedDonut said:
Combat isn't even that bad......tbh it seems like a meme at this point, just like people saying GTA 5 has bad combat :eyes:

Yeah. Combat isn't particularly good, but it's serviceable. It's way better than something like Skyrim, yet people usually don't mention that game's shit combat.

Deleted member 8196 · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
have you been reading my posts?

when does god of war have you using detective vision and a cookie crumb trail?

I thought you were talking about "talk to npcs, kill, retrieve and return", my bad.

leng jai · Aug 19, 2018

It's average but nowhere near shit. Like GTA 5 and Skyrim are just as "shit" with their gameplay. I'm honestly not a sure why Witcher 3 gets the shit gameplay complaints so often compared to other comparatively bad games.

Alethiometer · Aug 19, 2018

Holy hyperbole, batman. It's not shit by any metric.

joylevel11 · Aug 19, 2018

Brikky Freeman said:
They need to hire some combat designers, thats for sure.

well, if you compare witcher 3 to previous witcher games their combat has definitely improved with each one. i think they are fine.

Couscous · Aug 19, 2018

Stygr said:
God of War? Are you serious?
Go talk to brok or sindri and retrieve craft materials.
Go talk to the ghosts and kill X enemies, retrieve my shit etc...

Did you play God of War?

This right here. Most sidequests in God of War were mediocre. It had some quests with solid worldbuilding and lore, but there aren't many of them.

The Witcher 3 is still miles ahead of any game when it comes to sidequests. The Bloody Baron and Skeligge ones are the best imo.

Bansai · Aug 19, 2018

KLoWn said:
Every time someone says that The Witcher 3 gameplay is "fuckin garbage" I know I can safely assume from that point on that most opinions from that person is going to be hyperbole bullshit.

Agreed.

Sandersson · Aug 19, 2018

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. The gameplay is fine once you adjust to the movement.

catboy · Aug 19, 2018

Couscous said:
The Bloody Baron

Bloody baron is a main quest

IwazaruK7 · Aug 19, 2018

just like Yakuza aint that much a beatemup

Bansai · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
Bloody baron is a main quest

Only part of it.

Artdayne · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
Bloody baron is a main quest

It's both actually.

SenseiX · Aug 19, 2018

The Witcher 2 had better combat imo.

WyLD iNk · Aug 19, 2018

I'll go to my grave not understanding the "Witcher 3 combat sucks" contingent. Game was awesome on ALL fronts, I thoroughly enjoyed all 120 something hours I put into it, and I count it among the greatest games I've ever played.

As the kids say these days, "y'all wack".

DukeBlue · Aug 19, 2018

Stygr said:
"The Witcher 3 combat is garbage" is a hot take from ERA/GAF. People are still mad because TW3 won the GOTY at VGA over Bloodborne and they made up this rethoric to discredit the game.

Or....maybe...perhaps, stay with me here, the combat is atrocious.

Either way, we all pretty much know TW3 won because it was a western game.

Shelbyville Milhouse · Aug 19, 2018

o k said:
Yes? I literally said that in my first post...

"hold L2 to follow the piss trail"

it takes away any need for thought, you know exactly where to go because of the cookie crumb trail and when you arrive at the scene there is no investigation or critical analysis, you just hold L2 then press a button over a glowing spot while Geralt puts it all together for you

The big difference between Witcher and the games you mentioned is that Witcher has a massive open world with tons of interactable objects while in games like God of War or Octopath you have like 5 in an area.

How much fun would it be to rummage through 20 drawers to find the thing you are looking for, which you can even do if you want cause detective vision isn't mandatory aside from the tracking quests

Minilla · Aug 19, 2018

Stygr said:
TW3 combat is not trash, it's fine for the type of game, you dont play TW for the gameplay, at all.

Trash lmao

Your whole post LMAO.

" You don't play a game for gameplay " LOL

Oh and gameplay is subjective. It's trash gameplay to me. Not you , but that's fine . People are different .

Witcher 3 main story is pretty standard fantasy stuff anyway, some of the sidequests are great though .

Don't hate the game , but for me it's not even close to some of the later story driven games in the gen

Rommaz · Aug 19, 2018

zeox said:
everything is either terrible or incredible these days. I enjoyed the combat for what it was ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I truly do wonder when everyone will stop talking in hyperbole

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