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MDSVeritas

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This summer has been a bit of a gaming slump for me. I've played various games through the past few months but I haven't had one truly pull me in. Then last week during Quakecon I decided to take advantage of the Steam Bethesda sale to grab a certain game I'd had a solid amount of interest in for a while...

I'd never played the original Evil Within, and honestly I've never really been a huge survival horror fan. Across the board the horror genre tends to terrify me way too much. But last year's E3 showcase by Bethesda revealed EW2 with one of my favorite trailers of the show:



The direction of the trailer, and the kind of enemies, environments, and themes it hinted at really intrigued me. So after putting that interest aside for a while I finally jumped into it last weekend.

And boy did I finally find a summer game to pull me in.

The thing that struck me first about the game was how intrigued I was by the story set up. Versus other stories in the horror genre the concept of this shadow organization that was overseeing what is effectively a Matrix-type of shared simulation feels nicely refreshing. That combines with your character's connection not only to the situation where it's popped up in the past (which thankfully the game provides enough hints on to give me enough to go on not having played the first game) but also having his daughter now trapped there too gives a really nice opening hook to the game.

I was completely in by the time I'd gone from being in a bathtub run by, effectively, the Illuminati, to falling into a rainy pitch darkness, to seeing this really well-executed opening title:

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But one of the big highlights of starting the game up was realizing how much substance there was to dig into in this game mechanically-speaking. While I was willing to push through instances of horror I think the game would have been too much had it been a super linear horror showcase, but it really gives you a lot of interesting choice and exploration. Starting with the whole concept of you "Room" as a safe haven where you can save, upgrade and craft weapons, increase skills, look at little extras, and even read up on background info on different villains and allies. It's just the amount of breathing room I needed to allow me to put up with the more over-the-top scary segments.

And after a while I made the delightful discovery that this game is actually a nicely exploration-focused, verging on light-open-world, type of game! All the trepidation of the more scripted moments of horror, when I knew that whether I felt terrified was almost wholly in the hands of the designers, was fully replaced with a sort of enjoyable tension in the open world where I knew the degree to which I would be attacked or overwhelmed by monsters was fully up to my own approach to groups of enemies.

The game showcased itself as a really wonderful combination of survival, horror, and stealth/tactics. Using bottles to redirect enemies, lining up the perfect sneak attack or cover-based-kill is immensely satisfying.

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And the world is packed with meaningful content to find! There's whole weapons you may never get if you aren't checking around Union (the simulated town in which most of the game is set). There's even a dedicated boss-type character (not necessarily a boss as you never directly fight her) who will straight up never be a factor in your game experience unless you seek out the optional areas that trigger her appearance! Not to mention an ally character who adds interesting context to the cast and plot who is never a required element of the story unless you find the situation in which to rescue him and actually succeed.

Needless to say, the open world-ish elements of the game were a very pleasant surprise, and let me space out the critical path's more grotesque and frightening sequences with exploration I could more reasonably take at my own pace.

The critical path yielded a lot of its own surprises though. While there were sections where I had to stop playing some nights or straight up play without sound to stop from being too scared of what was going on, the plot keep pulling me further in. The games cast, while in some instances more half baked than they might be, are compelling and interesting in the context of this simulated nightmare world. The idea of maniacs and sociopaths aiming to gain power in this distinctly more controllable world makes sense, and it lets the game showcase villains that, while not necessarily super deep or particularly subtle in their characterization, nonetheless are compellingly bold, unique, and serve as good foils to Sebastian.

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The story is a bit meandering in the first half, but picks up to a really enjoyably fast pace in the second half, as villains rise and fall, new allies suddenly come into play, and twists about character loyalty and motivations are revealed. As much as I loved the more open elements of the game I actually got more and more compelled to just start moving down the critical path because of how excited I was to see what would happen.

Adding to this I found the boss cast to be quite nice. While there were some cases of really interesting and seemingly one-of-a-kind bosses later being reused as exploration-mini-bosses I think overall the different fights left a really positive impression, even if some were notably terrifying (look at you Obscura).

Honestly by the time I got to the last chapter of the game I was surprised I was as invested in the characters and story as I was. There were some cutscenes very very late in the game that succeeded in being fairly emotional, which is not something I expect from horror-genre stories. It's also worth noting that the game is complimented really well by a great soundtrack that hits a lot of the right emotional cues perfectly, like this one:



It's also worth noting that the finale to this game runs one of the smoothest two-part sequences I've ever seen in a game, transitioning really effectively between two parallel storylines that just keeps ratcheting up the intensity of the moment every time!

Anyway, all of this to say that The Evil Within 2 has gotta be the most I've ever enjoyed a survival horror game! I think the game is just an absolute blast from presentation to mechanics to plot and the cast. Couldn't be more happy I decided to take the plunge with this one.



A few stray observations:
- Sebastian Castellanos is a refreshingly unique protagonist name
- It's definitely a bit too easy to kill enemies with the "Sneak Kill" around corners when you unlock it, as I could use it even when enemies were running right for me
- Kinda weird we never learn (to my knowledge) why specifically Lily was the perfect child to be abducted and used as a Core.
- It's cool to see such a warm and personal moment in a horror game when Sebastian appears in his house and forgives himself for all his guilt about Lily
- That Ordinary World cover is ACES
 

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I should play both the evil within games when my spiderman pro arrives in september i own them both now recently got 2 in a sale.

Heard lots of amazing stuff about these games and i need some survival horror goodness before resident evil 2 remake releases wich is still some good months off!
 

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That was a really great write-up. The Evil Within 2 is one of my favorite games of this generation and the best survival horror game I've experienced since Resident Evil 4.
 

psychedelic

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It's always delightful to read positive impressions for The Evil Within 2, in spite of how it differs so vastly from it's predecessor. I really hope they're working on a third game.
 
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It's always delightful to read positive impressions for The Evil Within 2, in spite of how it differs so vastly from it's predecessor. I really hope they're working on a third game.

Me too, though I really appreciate that the ending would be perfectly fine to end the series on. I was worried they'd deliberately leave large unresolved issues to open the door to a sequel but was super happy they didn't.



Also, a friend just now explained that this scene is in the game, and I totally missed it, but it's amazing (no real spoilers besides an early-game character)

 

JohnnyMoses

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I love reading these positive thoughts about TEW2. Great post!

I was so immersed in this game that I could smell the popcorn as I walked Sebastion through the theater to face Stefano. I knew right then that it would be one of my favorite games of this gen.

You should go back and play the original with the DLC!
 
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Only played a couple hours but so far I'm liking the first game better. The beginning of
The first game was more tense and had a lot better atmosphere. Will keep playing tho to see how it stacks up
 

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Evil Within 2 is the Resident Evil 4 of this generation and imo its better. I wish the series had better exposure and people were willing to give it a shot, but its a different style of game from what are the typical big selling games. I just hope we get a third one to round out the trilogy. I still need to go through the game using the 1st person mode.
 
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I finished the game like a week ago and I fuckin' loved it. The setpieces are funs the story is shallow but the characters are great. Really thinking about finishing it again on hard or NG+ at least
 

darkslayer101

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Its a good game, but I feel like it sacrificed a lot of horror/artistic design from the first to make a consistent action/thriller game with a decent story. Thought the semi-open world sorta worked with some immersion breaking but nicely filled out areas.

I personally prefer TEW1 but would love to see a more fleshed out yet focused game in a hopeful third game.
 

Verdanth

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What strikes me the most is that they made Sebastian a very likeable and human character, something that he was lacking a lot in Evil Within 1.

I really like the game, lacked some artistic design choices that were on the original, but besides that most of the changes were for the better, and the level and pace design felt a lot better on this one.

Hope to see an 3rd installament.
 

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A different kind of amazing from the first.
1 had incredible tension and boss design and made you fight for every inch.

EW2 isnt scary at all but more dread like RE4.
But is a great game in its own right.

Btw hows the FPS mode?
 

OniBaka

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Great write up, I had just 100% the game few days ago.

It's a great game for different reasons compared to the first which I'm more fond of. The best parts in the game were the start until the Stefano fight and the ending sequence.

EW2 isnt scary at all but more dread like RE4.

The Stefano parts were very scary, not sure if it's because I played tew1 so much but I found Stefano parts more scary.

Both go for different type of horror, I feel 2 is more atmospheric and tew1 more in your face and tension.
 
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litebrite

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Loved the first game, recently beat the second and loved it too. I really like the fact that 2 feels like a true sequel in it's systems and mechanics and not just 1.5 (more of the same).
 

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Keep meaning to go back and replay it but the game was just so good i already saw everything 1st time round.

It's truly something special. Hopefully we get a third. We probably won't but we can hope.
 

Neiteio

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I freaking love this game. One of the best endings in a videogame, right up there with The Last of Us, 999 and Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

TEW2 was in my Top 5 Games of 2017. I want to do another playthrough with the first-person mode they added.
 
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So for those who've played both games, do you think it's worth going back to the first game and its DLC now that I've finished 2?
 

Dreamboum

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Loved this game, I think the story is excellent, the way it

So for those who've played both games, do you think it's worth going back to the first game and its DLC now that I've finished 2?

I think 2 does a good job contextualizing 1. I think it's kinda like MGS2 was to 1. They both benefit from each other. The added experience that 1 provides helps the framing and themes of 2, but you won't learn something fundamentally new.

I think they're good enough games that you can enjoy them if you're looking for a more RE4-like experience
 

Violet Wren

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So for those who've played both games, do you think it's worth going back to the first game and its DLC now that I've finished 2?

Absolutely! The first game is a lot different in the experience it provides, and while a lot of people have issues with the technical flaws, I feel like it is every bit as strong as the second. Sadly, some of the elements you really enjoy like the open areas are not present, but the gunplay is a little tighter in the first, and the overall tension is unmatched.
 

Bradford

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I just went through these games in February and, while I had some issues with the first one, really fell in love with the second. It might be one of my favorite games from last year overall. I wasn't expecting to like the second one very much after feeling... extremely lukewarm about the first in almost every way, but I was stunned by how much a step up I felt it was. I was hoping and praying during the Bethesda E3 conference that The Evil Within 3 would get announced, but obviously due to low sales it was an unlikely wish.

Maybe some day.
 

TheBeardedOne

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Didn't care for The Evil Within much to my dismay, but The Evil Within 2 was really good and it's something I may revisit one day. I really liked the town and enjoyed exploring it. The gameplay was also quite fun and disturbing, although it had some flaws.

The first half was better than the second half, though.
 

Hogendaz85

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It's a great game and so is the first one which is masterful in pacing.

The characters and story of TEW2 are not only better than most survival horror but a lot of other games as well across genres.



I hope that Resident Evil will someday get a story with a more emotional punch.
 

psychedelic

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So for those who've played both games, do you think it's worth going back to the first game and its DLC now that I've finished 2?

It's worth mentioning that they are very different games mechanically. The first one is far more linear, like RE4, and has little breathing room between encounters, unlike the sequel.

However, it's also much more atmospheric, requires more strategy in combat, and is known to be much more tense overall.

Instead of the focus being on exploration, crafting and stealth kills like in Evil Within 2, it's much more about being aware of environmental traps and using your resources carefully (including matchsticks and stamina). The story, for the most part, is told through notes and audio tapes and the boss fights are harder.

I would say it's worth playing only if you can accept a different gameplay experience and are really curious about the characters.
 

Arklite

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The thing that struck me first about the game was how intrigued I was by the story set up. Versus other stories in the horror genre the concept of this shadow organization that was overseeing what is effectively a Matrix-type of shared simulation feels nicely refreshing.
One cool aspect of TEW1 was that you had no idea what was happening initially. Reality shifted bizarrely and confusingly until you eventually discovered the matrix-like illusion, but until then you were in for a crazy ride. Very different take from TEW2's often straight explanations. That's a big difference for story, as if you dislike vague hints and slow reveals, TEW1 can frustrate some people for explanations.

TEW2 does an impressive job juggling its survival horror tension with the open hub. It keeps thing suitably creepy and dangerous but also flexible. It's not perfect, it falters as you get stronger, but that balance is TEW2 best feature.
 

Dodgerfan74

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Terrific OP. Evil Within 2 is a criminally underrated game so its great to see it get frequent lttp and rttps. I recently finished a replay of it and it's a stellar game for all the reasons listed. The story and such surprised me a lot coming from the meandering dreck of the first game.
 

Dreamboum

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the opening title sequence was so good too. You get into the bathtub, you see sebastian freefalling with no sense of direction and it suddenly stops with the title card playing as Sebastian walks towards his new nightmare with the first instance of the leitmotif playing. Some terrific shit.

The way it circles back at the end with the leitmotif made whole with the music that is linked in the OP...chef kiss on that one.

I posted my thoughts on this game in another thread, this game is Silent Hill 2 made today for me.
 

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So for those who've played both games, do you think it's worth going back to the first game and its DLC now that I've finished 2?

DLC is skippable, or a big "why not" at best. First game is worth experiencing if only for your love of TEW2; I think TEW2's narrative enhances the context of TEW1.

TEW1 plays like a rougher RE4 in terms of linearity and general game design, except all of its momentum gets kneecapped at every "story beat" or "stealth" section (which isn't as fleshed out as TEW2's). But idk, that works for some people! You have die hards all over this board. Some chapters are wonderful. The chapters in TEW1 are directed by different people usually, and it's hard not to notice, lol (you'll see). The best chapter, 9, was actually directed by the director of TEW2. Also, Sebastian is less of a charming Keanu spoof and more of a contemptible, bland idiot (fine line, probably). I think TEW2 has deep, interesting narrative subtext in its campy, B-movie plot. TEW1 has nothing going on really, except for its Kidman DLC (directed by TEW2's director).

If nothing else, TEW1 has wonderful art direction and headshots are rarely as satisfying in other games.

TL;DR: Not essential, but whatever. If you can find it for cheap then why not. The combat is marginally better, but the scenario design is so much worse.
 
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kittoo

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It's a great game indeed. Very atmospheric and the exploration is fun too. Liked it more than the first one.
 
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Thanks for all the replies! Sounds like the first game is worth checking out, even if it seems to be distinctly different and a bit more scary!


the opening title sequence was so good too. You get into the bathtub, you see sebastian freefalling with no sense of direction and it suddenly stops with the title card playing as Sebastian walks towards his new nightmare with the first instance of the leitmotif playing. Some terrific shit.

The way it circles back at the end with the leitmotif made whole with the music that is linked in the OP...chef kiss on that one.

I posted my thoughts on this game in another thread, this game is Silent Hill 2 made today for me.

Yeah along with The initial E3 trailer the other thing that pulled me in to wanna try the game is watching the very beginning of the game when the Easy Allies were streaming a full playthrough and they got to the opening credits. It was just so unexpectedly sharp as intro credits go.

And yeah, I picked up on the bits of the intro tune they put into the last couple tracks as you're heading to your house on the hill. Really effective stuff on a music angle.
 

Sphinx

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I still don't understand why they went from an awesome main villain (stefano) to that piss poor excuse of a bad dude(Theodore).
 

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The resident evil 4 successor that everyone wanted but nobody played, thanks to that dlc plans are probably dead :(
 

Kinthey

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Noah Caldwell made a really great video about the series, though beware that he goes deep into spoilers, so if you still want to play the first game you should skip that part.



The Evil within 2 segment starts at 1:10:37

Evil within 2 is awful a janky mess of a game
Funny, I thought it was quite polished, especially when compared to the first one.
 
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I still don't understand why they went from an awesome main villain (stefano) to that piss poor excuse of a bad dude(Theodore).

I think Stefano definitely benefited from having basically the whole first half of the game dedicated to him. Theodore, along with admittedly being less immediately interesting, also had to share his portion of the game a bit with Myra, and even then, he's only the villain for like a fourth of the game's running time.
 

dmoe

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Hated it. The concept and everything was cool. Love third person horror survival. The ammo situation is bullshit. I get it,, they don't want you having infinite ammo. But I spent 90% of the game running from zombies instead of fighting and they give you 4 bullets versus 2 zombies but it takes 3 bullets to kill one. Wasn't fun at all.
 

Neiteio

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Hated it. The concept and everything was cool. Love third person horror survival. The ammo situation is bullshit. I get it,, they don't want you having infinite ammo. But I spent 90% of the game running from zombies instead of fighting and they give you 4 bullets versus 2 zombies but it takes 3 bullets to kill one. Wasn't fun at all.
1) Run away
2) Sneak back
3) Stealth kill

Also welcome to the survival horror genre
 

Shoshi

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Hated it. The concept and everything was cool. Love third person horror survival. The ammo situation is bullshit.

Welcome to the family son!

Seriously, TEW2 is a really easy game compared to Last of Us, TEW, RE7 and Alien Isolation.
I played on Hard and did just bush kill/sneak kill everything.
Died alot but continue was fair and in these games it's supposed to be fun to die and try something new again and again.
TEW2 is a cool game though!
I think TEW1 is my most played game on PS4 eventhough it's far from perfect.
Hope more people dare to try either of them.
2 is probably meant to be taken as a matrix-y light horror game and remember - it's just a game :)
 
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Thebeast!

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Noah Caldwell made a really great video about the series, though beware that he goes deep into spoilers, so if you still want to play the first game you should skip that part.



The Evil within 2 segment starts at 1:10:37


Funny, I thought it was quite polished, especially when compared to the first one.

I had issues with the flamethrower boss
 

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I thought that opposite, the story in the first half was pretty good, then it slowly began to shit the bed in the second half with the whole double agent crap and bosses jobbing each other. Still a great game nonetheless and a memorable survival horror experience for sure.


Edit: wait WHAT, OP didn't play the first game? Damn... you missed out, while the original definitely had its issues (it's less about the story getting worse in the second half and more with the gameplay/levels in the very late second half of the game), it's still absolutely worth playing.

Hated it. The concept and everything was cool. Love third person horror survival. The ammo situation is bullshit. I get it,, they don't want you having infinite ammo. But I spent 90% of the game running from zombies instead of fighting and they give you 4 bullets versus 2 zombies but it takes 3 bullets to kill one. Wasn't fun at all.
...... which difficulty did you play the game on?
 

AlterOdin

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Loved the Sebastian "arc", was looking forward to the the next one (Theodore arc), but was just a rehash.

Loved the game, but felt they could have done a little more to flesh- /difference-out the last arc.
 

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Hated it. The concept and everything was cool. Love third person horror survival. The ammo situation is bullshit. I get it,, they don't want you having infinite ammo. But I spent 90% of the game running from zombies instead of fighting and they give you 4 bullets versus 2 zombies but it takes 3 bullets to kill one. Wasn't fun at all.


What are you talking about? I played on nightmare and always had spare ammo, even for different types of guns in slots... and i was making crossbow bolts as well. The amount of ammo is just fine. But you need to use stealth a lot.

Ps: i have totally forgot to use sneak kill from cover lol, i used it just once :D


Love tew2, give me fucking more bethesda!
 

Truant

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TEW2 is just so good. Need to replay it this fall. I got really engrossed in the story near the end.
 
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Edit: wait WHAT, OP didn't play the first game? Damn... you missed out, while the original definitely had its issues (it's less about the story getting worse in the second half and more with the gameplay/levels in the very late second half of the game), it's still absolutely worth playing.

It's definitely on my list now after hearing everyone's thoughts. Even if it has a bit of a different approach than some of the stuff I especially enjoyed about 2 I think it would be a cool experience to have going back and seeing what it's all about.