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Oct 27, 2017
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Update:
Joe started getting hate by the gamergate and the alt right so he posted a reply:

I thought this was an interesting video:


I definitely agree with him on everything. The way EA is handling the marketing is really dumb. Same goes for the release date being sandwiched inbetween other huge games.
 
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Darryl M R

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good video. I like him calling out gaming YouTubers and commenters who are saying that BFV is deserving to fail because it has women included. Man-children.

I need historical accuracy in a video game where I can respawn after death, run without getting winded, and receive scoring points for actions executed.
 

JCHandsom

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
4,218
Good video. I like him calling out gaming YouTubers and commenters who are saying that BFV is deserving to fail because it has women included. Man-children.

Yeah, I do appreciate that Joe manages to walk the line between "game reviewer of the people who rages" and "guy who is willing to call out GG for its bullshit"
 
OP
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Oct 27, 2017
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But wasn't BFV itself is huge game too? it's holiday time, it's always no way to "avoid" release close with other huge games.
That's true but unlike the past games there are no hype for this game because of how they are handling the marketing. I mean when BO4 is turning out to be so barebones compared to BF5 and the preorders are considered "weak" then you know something is wrong.

A different release date would probably help a lot.
 

Dyashen

Member
Dec 20, 2017
5,158
Belgium
The marketing for it has been pretty poor so far and i'm not really feeling like there's much hype going around it. I'm sure it'll do fine and that there will be positive word of mouth coming once we are getting closer to release. It being so close to other games wont affect it as much i think. The "low pre-orders" is troubling to hear though.

On a side-note: Damn that thumbnail. I remember like two years ago of him tweeting out how "angry" he was with youtubers and having these obnoxious thumbnails filled with red arrows and all that. Same goes for the title.
 

Darryl M R

The Spectacular PlayStation-Man
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Oct 25, 2017
9,721
Do people really care that much that women are in it? I mean its a videogame. I mean when has battlefield ever truly been accurate. How silly.
GamerGate was a hate campaign executed, co-signed, and allowed by gamers, centered around harassing women. So yes. People care. Somehow they will ignore everything else that is not historically accurate though.

Yeah, I do appreciate that Joe manages to walk the line between "game reviewer of the people who rages" and "guy who is willing to call out GG for its bullshit"
Definitely. In one of his previous videos on BFV he even discussed how what is needed is for men like himself to reach out to these gamers and chat with them to have them walk back their misogyny.
 

JeffGubb

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Oct 25, 2017
842
I'm pretty sure that every holiday game is tracking below expectations except for RDR2.
 
OP
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Oct 27, 2017
39,148
The marketing for it has been pretty poor so far and i'm not really feeling like there's much hype going around it. I'm sure it'll do fine and that there will be positive word of mouth coming once we are getting closer to release. It being so close to other games wont affect it as much i think. The "low pre-orders" is troubling to hear though.

On a side-note: Damn that thumbnail, i remember like two years ago of him tweeting out how "angry" he was with youtubers and having these obnoxious thumbnails filled with red arrows and all that.
I think that's the point. He is showing how crazy all these "women ruined my games" videos are. Full of clickbait and Gamergate masturbation.
Do people really care that much that women are in it? I mean its a videogame. I mean when has battlefield ever truly been accurate. How silly.
You would be surprised.

I still see people posting things like cyberborg feminist black woman nazi on almost every BF video.
 

TheGhost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
That's true but unlike the past games there are no hype for this game because of how they are handling the marketing. I mean when BO4 is turning out to be so barebones compared to BF5 and the preorders are considered "weak" then you know something is wrong.

A different release date would probably help a lot.
BO4 is not bare bones it just doesn't have resources wasted on a campaign the majority of the playerbase skips. All treyarch games are content rich. There has yet to be a Treyarch Call of Duty game that was not over flowing with new ideas and twists on old things.

EA fucked up by even playing into the complaining crowd and should have been hitting us with more fun vignettes to generate hype, idk something akin to bad company 2.

We also should have had a beta by now.

None of this matters in the end because the BF crowd will still buy this game regardless. It just should have released in March instead.
 

Zukkoyaki

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Oct 25, 2017
11,286
Battlefield V is going to move millions regardless but it certainly does seem like EA is on auto-pilot with the marketing. Battlefield isn't Madden or FIFA which will sell gangbusters literally effortlessly.
 
OP
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Oct 27, 2017
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BO4 is not bare bones it just doesn't have resources wasted on a campaign the majority of the playerbase skips. All treyarch games are content rich. There has yet to be a Treyarch Call of Duty game that was not over flowing with new ideas and twists on old things.

EA fucked up by even playing into the complaining crowd and should have been hitting us with more fun vignettes to generate hype, idk something akin to bad company 2.

We also should have had a beta by now.
I mean it was leaked that the reason the game is shipping without a campaign is because of development issues. I can certainly see that because of how weirdly inconsistent the game is.

As for BF being worse, those that played BF5 has said it is the best BF since Bad Company 2. Not to mention the vibe itself is very similiar to that game.
 

JCHandsom

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
4,218
I think that's the point. He is showing how crazy all these "women ruined my games" videos are. Full of clickbait and Gamergate masturbation.

You would be surprised.

I still see people posting things like cyberborg feminist black woman nazi on almost every BF video.

Jesus Christ I cannot tell you how many variations of this I've come across whenever someone dares mention representation in a big budget game

It's blatant fucking dehumanization
 

Jamrock User

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Jan 24, 2018
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Anybody who uses the term SJW without an air of irony behind it holds an unsub. A couple BF youtubers are now in the trash for me.
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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Good video but shouldn't he have come up with a better way to do that video title?
 

MetalBoi

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Dec 21, 2017
3,176
I agree with Joe, greedy EA is on a roll this gen and deserve to have shit blow up in their face. Women in the game are not a problem for most people, it's the other stuff that is killing these games.
 

Dekuman

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Oct 27, 2017
19,026
BF V may be a bad game with lingering anger at EA over last year's lootbox fiasco, but this seems like TLJ alt-right 'backlash' narrative all over again with people using unrelated issues to justify it as a vindication of their world view.
 

signal

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Oct 28, 2017
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Why are people in the comments of his video still talking about wanting realism? How many meme threads / tweets with people_riding_horse_flamethrowing.gif and ejecting_from_jet_then_sniping_then_piloting_again.mp4 do we need to have. Thought they would have used a different argument by now.
 
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PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's not the release date. Tbh I had to get my preorder differently because amazon didn't have any physical copies. That reveal event was awkward as hell though. I don't think EA knows what people want in a show at all. They've bungled every E3 since I can remember.
 

tommy7154

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Oct 25, 2017
5,370
Do we like Angry Joe in this thread or hate him? I'll watch the video and then take a guess!
 

IIFloodyII

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Oct 26, 2017
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I agree with Joe for the most part, but I think BF1 also played a big role in the lack of hype, pretty much everyone I know was done with it after a week, it was a lot of fun for that 1 week, but just massively underwhelming after that and when a game as hyped as BF1 doesn't deliver, the follow up usually pays.
 

Richietto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why are people in the comments of his video still talking about wanting realism? How many meme threads / tweets with people_riding_horse_flamethrowing.gif and ejecting_from_get_then_sniping_then_piloting_again.mp4 do we need to have. Thought they would have used a different argument by now.
I love my realistic battlefield. Nothing as real as jumping out of a fighter jet, shooting down another with an RPG, and climbing back into a new one in midair.
 

Duffking

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Oct 27, 2017
5,705
Do people really care that much that women are in it? I mean its a videogame. I mean when has battlefield ever truly been accurate. How silly.
It's more that there's just a lot of people pretending to suddenly care about historical accuracy in a series which has never given so much as a half ounce of fried shit about historical accuracy so that it's less obvious that they are just butthurt there's women in the game.

I can tell you now that the same people will be creaming themselves the first time they see someone jump out of an aeroplane mid loop the loop before 720 noscoping someone and landing back in their aeroplane in this game and "historical accuracy" won't even cross their mind for a second.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The reveal and E3 showing was horrendous imo on top of an already disappointment when we found out it wasn't Bad Company 3.
No helicopters is like half my interest immediately gone.
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
8,111
BO4 is not bare bones it just doesn't have resources wasted on a campaign the majority of the playerbase skips. All treyarch games are content rich. There has yet to be a Treyarch Call of Duty game that was not over flowing with new ideas and twists on old things.
I don't think "bare bones" is the right word. However, generally speaking, FPS campaigns are far more time consuming and expensive to create than MP content. MP-only games are historically what you get when your team lacks the skills and resources to make campaigns. That's why all those WII games on Steam only have MP. PvP multiplayer "content" is not the same thing as story-driven singleplayer or even co-op "content". The "content" in Zombies, for reference, is not the same thing as the content in a proper campaign. The drop in production values between campaign and Zombies is extreme. It's like watching someone's home movie after watching the latest Marvel blockbuster.

One can argue in circles about what percentage of Call of Duty players play the campaign (about maybe 5 million finish each game?), but ultimately campaigns are a huge part of Call of Duty. More people care about Call of Duty campaigns than many games on the market. They're also a huge part of Battlefield since Battlefield 3, which is why EA are placing so much focus on them. Particularly this year. They're the primary focus of development if only because they're the one thing you can't truly half-ass. There's a bare minimum of functionality and scope for a story-driven singleplayer game. Wheras multiplayer is more... flexible. With Call of Duty, the CoD marketing machine has traditionally relied on campaigns to sell the grand vision of the game. Next year's CoD will have a campaign. Rumour has it it'll be Modern Warfare 4, so there'll be a grandiose trailer where the characters you loved embark on a new adventure.

CoD can be quite successful without a campaign, as Black Ops IIII will demonstrate. But you could also sell people Doom or Quake or Wolfenstein without a campaign, but that doesn't mean the campaigns for those games and their quality isn't important for sales and very particularly market penetration.
 

Brannon

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,580
I wish it were true that it was because of 'wimmens in ma Biffs!'. How great would it be to have far less assholes in the game; I'd actually want to buy it then. Maybe voice chat would be decent?

Hah, dreams.
 

Opto

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Oct 28, 2017
4,546
To be honest, the only marketing I've seen of anything lately has been for WoW's Battle of Azeroth expansion
 
Oct 27, 2017
11,511
Bandung Indonesia
Do people really care that much that women are in it? I mean its a videogame. I mean when has battlefield ever truly been accurate. How silly.

For some unknown reason YouTube recommended a video about the game where the YouTuber mocking EA due to its low pre order numbers and its perceived cause of 'accommodating SJWs'. Out of curiosity I watched it but could not make it through to the end, so many cringe.
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
Joe is the best kind of dudebro angry youtuber. A progressive who actually has his head on straight

I do find it funny though how this is the one thread that people arent acting like total asses to him for no reason though
 

MetalBoi

Banned
Dec 21, 2017
3,176
EA has made so many wtf decisions lately, makes you wonder if they know what they're doing at all: poor marketing of Battlefield V, bad release date, the Battlefront 2 issues, not putting Madden on Switch, etc.
 

entremet

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Oct 26, 2017
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Joe is the best kind of dudebro angry youtuber. A progressive who actually has his head on straight

I do find it funny though how this is the one thread that people arent acting like total asses to him for no reason though
He's a big gun guy. I'm not anti gun, but he just seems like a reasonable guy.

I feel that the craziness of the internet has made sensible opinions, like Joe's something uber progressive. It really should not be. Having female soldiers in a video game should not be something people should be enraged about, but here we are, in 2018 no less.
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
14,214
New Jersey
He's a big gun guy. I'm not anti gun, but he just seems like a reasonable guy.

I feel that the craziness of the internet has made sensible opinions, like Joe's something uber progressive. It really should not be. Having female soldiers in a video game should not be something people should be enraged about, but here we are, in 2018 no less.

He likes guns, but he's not anti gun regulation. And in terms of actual politics, he's pretty leftist on the spectrum in most areas, compared to a lot of people i could name, which is what is most important...its not just this issue or identity justice in general, which are important though obviously
 

Dr. Caroll

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Oct 27, 2017
8,111
I feel that the craziness of the internet has made sensible opinions, like Joe's something uber progressive. It really should not be. Having female soldiers in a video game should not be something people should be enraged about, but here we are, in 2018 no less.
I mean, this was EA 18 years ago.
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It's not a matter of "It's <current year>". Female characters in FPS games did not make anyone blink in the late 90s, early 2000s. Delta Force? Female playable characters. Rainbow 6? Female playable characters. Medal of Honor? Female protagonist. There were five FPS games in 2000 with female leads. Something changed in the mid 2000s. A demographic and ideological shift. DICE could have put female fighters in Battlefield 1942 and there would have been very little outrage. Of course some would have raised objections and questioned the game's balance of fun and historical accuracy. But those discussions are inevitable. Nothing like the current internet fury.

I think there's this very misleading idea that we started out dudebro and we're slowly getting "better". But it's really not that simple. Doom was originally supposed to have male and female protagonists. Tom Hall got kicked out, and we ended up with Doom Guy instead. But those protagonists ended up in Rise of the Triad, which was a reasonably popular game.

You know what? If Doom had featured a female protagonist, the public would not have cared in the 90s. They would have assumed Doom Girl was some Ellen Ripley figure. (Remember that Doom was originally based on Alien.) Fast forward to 2018, and something that would have been wholly uncontroversial in the 90s is suddenly a big deal. (Female protagonist in the low budget Doom movie attracts a lot of hate, for instance.) If the next Doom game had a female protagonist there would be so much petty internet outrage. Boycotts. Petitions. Hate mail. Something changed 10-15 years ago. Around the time the "teenage boy-slash-screaming-10-year-old" demographic became the primary focus for publishers. In particular, the FPS genre began to attract (and target through marketing and design changes such as removing female characters) a sort of hard to pin down "jock" demographic. Very competitive, very male, very American. That ended up shaping the FPS genre in a pretty extreme way. edit: Remember when Call of Duty games weren't all about America? I can. After Modern Warfare, the international aspect of Call of Duty was rapidly eroded. You might have non-American team-mates, but you were almost always a red blooded American man.
 
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Mar 17, 2018
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I agree with Joe, greedy EA is on a roll this gen and deserve to have shit blow up in their face. Women in the game are not a problem for most people, it's the other stuff that is killing these games.

Yeah. They are clearly rushing anything and everything to make the most profit, and it's hurting games. Star Wars Battlefront 2 was an epic fuck up, and they still have not released new content lol. I assume most people are working on BFV, and it looks to be rushed out the door way too soon.