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Pet said:

I think the two groups fight way more between each other than reported.

It's one of those things I prefer to not bring up to the public, aka white people, because I think it just serves as fuel for them to be more racist.

It's kinda like how Asians know we're super racist towards each other, but that doesn't mean we wanna hear white people say things like "but Asians are so racist towards each other so <something racist>." That's why I didn't want to make a thread about it. It seems like people will interpret it as "gotcha," and that's not productive.

However, I think it's something that can be discussed in minority spaces, with fruitful results. I don't think brushing it off in this private space helps, because it's not like there's not actually friction between groups. We should probably acknowledge it exists and try to work past it.

I don't have the link for it now, but other minorities have bought out whole theater showings of Crazy Rich Asians to support Asian Americans. That's the kind of stuff that I'll make threads on, and will tomorrow if I can find the article.

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Yeah I know. Like that crazy nail salon brawl lol. I was just saying this particular instance just seemed more like one person being ignorant, since everyone else is on the Asian lady's side as opposed to two sides fighting each other.

I'm trying to see Crazy Rich Asians over the weekend but I hate going to movies by myself. My friend doesn't want to see it because the male lead isn't full Asian....what do you you all think about that?

I know an AA film maker here and he tells me how hard it is to get an Asian actor. He was filming something that required an athletic Asian guy but he just couldn't find anyone to fit the role he wrote. In the end I believe he told me it just didn't get casted. I didn't really challenge him because he's a film maker and he probably knows way more than I do.

Male lead isn't full Asian?

Uhh... I don't know. It just reminds me of the complaints my colleagues used to have about not being seen as Asian when they are mixed.

Yinyangfooey said:

My friend doesn't want to see it because the male lead isn't full Asian....what do you you all think about that?

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Your friend needs to get their head out of their ass

It's disappointing, but it's a weird thing where all of the really hot (English speaking) Asian guys haven't gone into acting.

I only watch movies after I have a full DNA analysis to ensure the actors meet my ethnic thresholds

D65 said:

Male lead isn't full Asian?

Uhh... I don't know. It just reminds me of the complaints my colleagues used to have about not being seen as Asian when they are mixed.

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Dude is a WMAF hapa. That's a separate issue from being seen as Asian.

ActStriker said:

Your friend needs to get their head out of their ass

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Why?

Power of Sparda said:

Dude is a WMAF hapa. That's a separate issue from being seen as Asian.


Why?

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He's still Asian?

Power of Sparda said:

Dude is a WMAF hapa. That's a separate issue from being seen as Asian.

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Hmm I guess I don't know about the issue...

But my Philippino colleague who complained was as well I guess.

... Hmm in fact so was the half English girl I worked with elsewhere.

I mean, I just feel like mixed raced people shouldn't be hated on.

It's mostly just weird to me in roles where you see their entire family and there's no effort at all to make them look alike. Like the middle kid in FOTB: he's looking more and more white every year.

ActStriker said:

He's still Asian?

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So is Elaine Chao, but I'm not going to shit on a brother because he doesn't see himself represented in this movie and doesn't want to support it. There's all sorts of shit in and around this movie that makes me give the side eyes too.

The ONLY reason why I'm getting tickets is because it's important to some kids to see people that look like them on screen that aren't portrayed as white worshiping prostitutes or asexual patriarchal nerds.

D65 said:

Hmm I guess I don't know about the issue...

But my Philippino colleague who complained was as well I guess.

... Hmm in fact so was the half English girl I worked with elsewhere.

I mean, I just feel like mixed raced people shouldn't be hated on.

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That's not the issue. The issue is that the only good Asian guy is half white.

Zoe said:

It's mostly just weird to me in roles where you see their entire family and there's no effort at all to make them look alike. Like the middle kid in FOTB: he's looking more and more white every year.

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Don't forget about what they did in Modern Family. That was embarrassing if not infuriating.

Oh is this plot related?

I wasn't going to see the movie until the distant future anyway when it hits Netflix.

Power of Sparda said:

That's not the issue. The issue is that the only good Asian guy is half white.

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Thats just not true at all.

Yinyangfooey said:

I'm trying to see Crazy Rich Asians over the weekend but I hate going to movies by myself. My friend doesn't want to see it because the male lead isn't full Asian....what do you you all think about that?

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Yinyangfooey said:

I'm trying to see Crazy Rich Asians over the weekend but I hate going to movies by myself. My friend doesn't want to see it because the male lead isn't full Asian....what do you you all think about that?

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He was born in Asia, grew up in Asia, lives in Asia, spent a lot of his TV career filming shows in and about Asia, and has always embraced his Asian roots. Using racial purity to write him off sounds sketchy.

Zoe said:

It's disappointing, but it's a weird thing where all of the really hot (English speaking) Asian guys haven't gone into acting.

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All my Asian American childhood friends who wanted to go into acting/creative fields (and were in theatre in high school) got those aspirations slapped out of them by their parents and are now doctors. It will take a generation or two for it to be less taboo I guess.

Llyranor said:

He was born in Asia, grew up in Asia, lives in Asia, spent a lot of his TV career filming shows in and about Asia, and has always embraced his Asian roots. Using racial purity to write him off sounds sketchy.

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This. Power of Sparda tell your friend gatekeeping is slippery, dangerous, and blinding. For anyone to even suggest whitewashing for CRA is insane.

D65 said:

Oh is this plot related?

I wasn't going to see the movie until the distant future anyway when it hits Netflix.

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It's casting related.

golem said:

Thats just not true at all.

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It's the image and perception. We're not Asian because of genetics; we're Asian based on the social construction of what "Asian" is and it's based on how we look in contrast to whiteness.

Etrian Oddity said:

This. Power of Sparda tell your friend gatekeeping is slippery, dangerous, and blinding. For anyone to even suggest whitewashing for CRA is insane.

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Not my friend and I've said all along that my take on this movie is that it's yellow window dressing that's been sanitized for the (white) mass market. If anything, it makes me want to revisit Joy Luck Club as an adult with a current lens. Ignoring that there's a certain level of white worshiping that exists in Asia doesn't help either. Where I think we'll is agree is that this is not our Black Panther and it doesn't need to be.

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This video always makes me laugh hahahahahaha

Power of Sparda said:

Where I think we'll is agree is that this is not our Black Panther and it doesn't need to be.

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You got two seasons of Iron Fist though!

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No fr I haven't seen CRA but I don't think it's as significant as Black Panther... But it's not because the lead is half white.

Being mixed raced sucks for a lot of reasons I just feel compelled to disagree here.

Irrelevant but this reminded me of a half Japanese half Iranian guy who I also worked with and this white American lady was complaining that no one in the restaurant was Japanese... So it isn't as authentic as it should be...

Like bitch... This is Benihana...

Power of Sparda said:

Not my friend and I've said all along that my take on this movie is that it's yellow window dressing that's been sanitized for the (white) mass market. If anything, it makes me want to revisit Joy Luck Club as an adult with a current lens.

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I was actually reading a quote from the director of that earlier, and he said if he were to make the movie today he would soften the treatment of the men in the movie. It's not that men like that don't exist in real life, but those shitty characters have been the only ones around for over 20 years.

D65 said:

You got two seasons of Iron Fist though!

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No fr I haven't seen CRA but I don't think it's as significant as Black Panther... But it's not because the lead is half white.

Being mixed raced sucks for a lot of reasons I just feel compelled to disagree here.

Irrelevant but this reminded me of a half Japanese half Iranian guy who I also worked with and this white American lady was complaining that no one in the restaurant was Japanese... So it isn't as authentic as it should be...

Like bitch... This is Benihana...

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I think I was misunderstood. I'm not saying that this isn't Black Panther because the main guy is hapa.

Funny story!

Power of Sparda said:

I think I was misunderstood. I'm not saying that this isn't Black Panther because the main guy is hapa.

Funny story!

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Ah, okay sorry to assume that. Admittedly it felt silly so I should have double checked...

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ANYWAY


More of my friend's cooking... I crave it.
I think she has some Mexican food fetish ever since she went Miami...


My keto meal from the Viet market

We're not at Black Panther level yet. Prior to that movie, there were lots of movies with black representation and even many prominent black actors that were household names. It took decades to get there, and Black Panther is the culmination of all that build up.

We're not close to that, but this is one step towards it.

One big thing of BP was its Pan African theme. I wouldn't know what would go into a Pan Asian theme.

D65 said:

One big thing of BP was its Pan African theme. I wouldn't know what would go into a Pan Asian theme.

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fighting one another probs

The big thing is to get some movies out to show people that, yes, you can be a successful Hollywood actor even if you're Asian. That will help to get more Asian/Asian-American actors on the scene, which will lead to more movies and more representation. Then maybe one day they can make something like Black Panther.

Jintor said:

fighting one another probs

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I'll be honest with my possibly not well thought out ideas...

Sometimes I let my daydreams build on each other and I just imagine a group of AsAm students with mixed heritages (there like 80% of then don't care about it) but end up at a University club which was originally set up for one specific type of Asian food and it becomes this Pan Asian meal/meetup thing once a week. The space is rented out for the whole school week so it's used as a space for the group to go to like for studying or using the computer setups.

The leader as it were is this Chinese American girl and there banner in the club that reads "We're All The Same, Like Stormtroopers"

It's like a group of 5 core people and expands very slowly over time. Sometimes you get people like a UK Asian (Indian) joining the group and most of the group would welcome anyone, but there's like that one person who's like "hmm, I mean I guessed you're Asian..." and as it progresses that one character develops this Pan Asian view.

At the same time, the University catches wind that it's sort of becoming an Asian enclave of sorts and there's suspecting exclusion. Which isn't really the case, but because of that one member there keeps being something that could technically cause them to be shut down. That's it's just the love of food and familiarity that caused it to be an all Asian group.

Oh and there's this one Japanese girl who joins and is accepted even though she's 100% black (grew up in Japan from a very early age, has a step mother who is Japanese) who knows nothing about being black in America.

... Should I feel guilty and having this show idea?

i think there's, like, a pan-asian-brought-up-in-western-countries common experience which that feels like it strikes more at to me

Jintor said:

i think there's, like, a pan-asian-brought-up-in-western-countries common experience which that feels like it strikes more at to me

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Yeah, I mean I wasn't thinking of it as a Pan Asian BP kind of thing but specifically AsAm experience. Ofc I'm looking at this from the outside so I don't know if I should even write anything like this...

Just something I amuse myself with.

The saddest thing I think is that SA isn't usually included in Pan Asian food experiences but when I went on a date with this girl from Mauritius it was like... Her culture is a mix of Indian and Chinese. It was cool and we bonded over food but...

Ofc I came out as a trans like a week later so we're just friends haha

(fuck that countries views on LGBT tho might I say)

D65 said:

One big thing of BP was its Pan African theme. I wouldn't know what would go into a Pan Asian theme.

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Jintor said:

fighting one another probs

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LOLZ

Power of Sparda said:

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I'm so going to watch this whole video.

Another irrelevant side point. A common discussion I have with my Japanese friend is explaining to her how growing up Asian in the west is different to what she would imagine. Initially this happened because she met an AsAm expat who was telling her about racism in America and my friend told me about what she said but very confused... So since then I've just done by best taking from here and YouTube to try and explain? But honestly all I have been able to express is whatever is covered in the Venn diagram of growing up in the west and being a minority.

D65 said:

I'll be honest with my possibly not well thought out ideas...

Sometimes I let my daydreams build on each other and I just imagine a group of AsAm students with mixed heritages (there like 80% of then don't care about it) but end up at a University club which was originally set up for one specific type of Asian food and it becomes this Pan Asian meal/meetup thing once a week. The space is rented out for the whole school week so it's used as a space for the group to go to like for studying or using the computer setups.

The leader as it were is this Chinese American girl and there banner in the club that reads "We're All The Same, Like Stormtroopers"

It's like a group of 5 core people and expands very slowly over time. Sometimes you get people like a UK Asian (Indian) joining the group and most of the group would welcome anyone, but there's like that one person who's like "hmm, I mean I guessed you're Asian..." and as it progresses that one character develops this Pan Asian view.

At the same time, the University catches wind that it's sort of becoming an Asian enclave of sorts and there's suspecting exclusion. Which isn't really the case, but because of that one member there keeps being something that could technically cause them to be shut down. That's it's just the love of food and familiarity that caused it to be an all Asian group.

Oh and there's this one Japanese girl who joins and is accepted even though she's 100% black (grew up in Japan from a very early age, has a step mother who is Japanese) who knows nothing about being black in America.

... Should I feel guilty and having this show idea?

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You still just can't get right with yourself at this point?

D i Z said:

You still just can't get right with yourself at this point?

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What?

D65 said:

What?

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Taking about those not so thought out ideas. from a black man to a half cast man.

Power of Sparda said:

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Pause, this guy's script on his 300 demon's invading movie idea about unity is cool. When is it coming out?

D65 said:

Pause, this guy's script on his 300 demon's invading movie idea about unity is cool. When is it coming out?

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Hahaha...probably never. It's an awesome idea though.

D i Z said:

Taking about those not so thought out ideas. from a black man to a half cast man.

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Okay a few things here.

First of all fuck off calling me half cast. Second, allow your persecution fetish. Third, wrong gender.

I don't post this without a pounding heart and not well thought out ideas that I have I'd rather put out there and get shut down then wonder but never know why I shouldn't have it. And I accept some things I won't get. Simply put I'm a better person because I've made mistakes where I can be told to do better. This is something I'm thinking about a lot because like 90% of peers since being a teen have all been Asian so with reluctance when I take inspiration from the people I meet and they bleed into my daydreams and story ideas it becomes something that I'm become very curious about. I mean I've said, I've never felt Asian.

But that explanation is wasted on you.

Power of Sparda said:

Hahaha...probably never. It's an awesome idea though.

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I've had to stop the video to think about how many awesome ideas he's managed to condense...

What would those demons look like is my biggest question.

D65 said:

Okay a few things here.

First of all fuck off calling me half cast. Second, allow your persecution fetish. Third, wrong gender.

I don't post this without a pounding heart and not well thought out ideas that I have I'd rather put out there and get shut down then wonder but never know why I shouldn't have it. And I accept some things I won't get. Simply put I'm a better person because I've made mistakes where I can be told to do better. This is something I'm thinking about a lot because like 90% of peers since being a teen have all been Asian so with reluctance when I take inspiration from the people I meet and they bleed into my daydreams and story ideas it becomes something that I'm become very curious about. I mean I've said, I've never felt Asian.

But that explanation is wasted on you.

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1. half cast isn't an insult.
2. I've told you myself to be better.

what world we living in where half caste aint an insult? there's better ways to phrase that

Jintor said:

what world we living in where half caste aint an insult? there's better ways to phrase that

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Is it? I have cousins that are mixed. I have parents that are half cast. We are what we are, and that does not include being weird about how we got here. It certainly doesn't include covert ops on representation. Let's look at that "persecution fetish" line for a sec.

We specifically had a whole class in primary school about the meaning of the word and how it was used to oppress mixed raced people and get them to eventually wash to demon away by mixing with whites until the black is gone...

Look up what that word actually means and don't call people this again.

you can certainly decide that you didn't mean it as an insult but if you go around calling people half-caste don't be surprised if they flip out on you

D65 said:

We specifically had a whole class in primary school about the meaning of the word and how it was used to oppress mixed raced people and get them to eventually wash to demon away by mixing with whites until the black is gone...

Look up what that word actually means and don't call people this again.

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A class. ok.

Jintor said:

you can certainly decide that you didn't mean it as an insult but if you go around calling people half-caste don't be surprised if they flip out on you

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I'm not surprised. I know how he feels. It wasn't meant as an insult, but I do get why a mixed British black man has issues with black lives.

If you want to stay ignorant whatever. It's the most fucking offensive term for people like me in the UK and you want to be a hypocrite and not learn to not say it. That's cool.

My biggest interaction with racism came from a dude calling me this as a child saying how I shouldn't exist while he was busking just outside a Tube station. Use that person's language. I haven't used the ignore feature before but I will do don't bother @ing me ever again.