I actually stan for Pig Ganon, particularly his LttP incarnation. But other than that, I'm good on Zelda reps.
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What I meant was that relevancy is the least interesting thing to me when it comes to making unique roster choices and I hate when people use it as a way to shoo away potential newcomers.
The Miis have taken on a life of their own beyond the Wii brand. There was no real reason to ditch them.
I will be honest. I wouldn't put it behind Sakurai having played almost the whole Famicom-era Nintendo first party games. He's the one who brings up characters like Ayumi Tachibana, Lip, Mach Rider, etc and comments about how much he likes their games and stuff. I think he's the one that personally picks the trophies too.
I think the only series I can imagine him not getting into is Startropics because of lack of JP release, but even then he added Punch Out to Smash.
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I can't believe how political this thread has gotten
People over here thinking Elma getting into Smash Bros is a prerequisite to equal rights
People over here thinking Elma getting into Smash Bros is a prerequisite to equal rights
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I'm banking on Isabelle being an unique character. She's way too important to be a simple echo fighter.
Pretty sure we'll at least be seeing Springman as DLC. As for Xenoblade, I'm not sure there's anyone interesting enough to add in as a new fighter. 101 sucked, so no thanks. And Rhythm Heaven is super niche.
Your right but saying Smash 4's roster sucked is certainly going to make me call those taste into question.
It's ultimatly based on the individual, I obviously don't expect a lot of people to agree with my apathy to the current newcomers, but then what else is there to discuss if not each other's opinions?
I'm not arguing against the fans, I'm arguing against the notion that there is some sort of inherent wrong or evil with trying to bring more representation to the game. The fans can want whatever they want, and I don't care what they voted for in the ballot. There is just no reason for them to pull disingenuous shit like "I'm totally above gender, characters should get in Smash due to their own merits", and there is also no reason for them defend a hypothetical roster with just one new unique female character. If they're satisfied with it, that's fine; you can be satisfied with something and still recognize its problems.
Why are people predicting Inceneroar over Decideye?
I thought the latter was clearly more popular. The cat couldn't even trump him in getting into Pokken.
I thought the latter was clearly more popular. The cat couldn't even trump him in getting into Pokken.
I'd be happy to get more female characters, but at the end of the day Smash can only ever be symptomatic of the industry at large. Video game stories have, traditionally, featured male in male power fantasy positions, with females rarely outside of a supporting role. If we want Smash to truly get more female representation we need to get video games starring female characters first due to the nature of the game.
and people said thread 5 would be an "enhanced port" of thread 4 lol
I'm kinda torn, because she doesn't really do all the stuff villager pulls his moveset from, but she's enough of a blank slate move set wise anyway that it doesn't really matter.
Well, I like Midna and love Ashley (I honestly thought she was going to be a newcomer in Ultimate, and it was disappointing to see her again as an AT), but, how is Midna more relevant to Zelda than Skull Kid? If I'm not wrong, Midna has appeared in one Zelda game, while Skull Kid has appeared in three (OOT, MM and TP). I don't even know if Midna is more popular than Skull Kid currently.
The Xenoblade series is full of interesting characters for Smash. Going with just X and 2's main characters, there's already a lot of potential there.
Everything is political in life. But the point is just about the roster possibly just being nostalgia pandering to 20yo guys or how people are dismissive of anything not being part of this SNES/64 nostalgia picks.
What newer characters would you want, though? As far as I can tell Inkling was the only essential one since 4 and they got that one.
No one can say Smash 4 roster sucked.
I'll take being disappointed in it, but sucks? Nah, that just tells me you're upset some of your favorites didn't get in. Smash 4 should be praise for its variety
I'll take being disappointed in it, but sucks? Nah, that just tells me you're upset some of your favorites didn't get in. Smash 4 should be praise for its variety
Yeah the man is kinda crazy if you consider all of that.
I'm really just curious how he actually decides to choose characters. Many of them are relevant, yes, but many also are not. Most of them have global appeal but some only really have western appeal and some only really have Japanese appeal. It really feels like there's no method to his madness, we can argue over and over about all of these rules and patterns but he's just gonna wind up picking who he wants to.
What I'm really getting at is- I wonder if he played or enjoyed Eternal Darkness?
I mean i could equally say saying the ultimate roster sucks call taste into question, but I dont because not everyone likes the same stuff.
It's just that this thread is getting dicey with saying that people who want fan picks and certain characters are not being thoughtful of equality.
Punch-Out!! has seen releases in Japan, even if they weren't popular.
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Fucking tell me about it lol.
Miis are who I'm most excited to see again. Hope the next Direct has a rundown of the changes, new costumes, and features.
Miis are dress up characters though. They dress up to suit the game they are part of.
Isabelle is one of those characters that is way too big to pass up.
But how she will be incorporated is beyond me.
Echo is what I'm ANTICIPATING, and a unique fighter would be BONUS.
I love Isabelle. I just saw a picture of her with boxing gloves on in-game in Happy Home Designer the other day!
The Smash 4 roster was underwhelming due to non-characters, which is what the Mii's and Wii Fit trainer were. You can technically count the Villager here too because he's just an avatar and not an established character.
Then we just got 4 Fire Emblem characters and Shulk (and Cloud) so we also got an overload of JRPG characters last time.
Then we just got 4 Fire Emblem characters and Shulk (and Cloud) so we also got an overload of JRPG characters last time.
lol no
The whole point of Miis is to create something you want to create. What the hell is the point of them being all about the games they were in? There's a reason why they have the Smash emblem.
I'll wait till the full roster is an before I question it.
Right now we are arguing on characters we have no clue about, from a leaker who's being acting weird after being right about a few Characters.
Right now we are arguing on characters we have no clue about, from a leaker who's being acting weird after being right about a few Characters.
Because I don't care about characters who series are already heavily represented, I want more unique franchises in Smash because I prefer the crossover aspect of it to anything else. Smash 4 came out at a time when Nintendo were releasing a lot of games from the same franchises over and over again, so Smash 4 skewing towards newer characters meant there were a lot of boring additions I didn't care about.
The Mii fighters are 3 valid movesets though. I hope that they are given 1 nice cohesive pair of specials and are generally balanced this time around.
Customs were one of the worst parts of Smash 4, which is a shame, because I was so excited for them initially.
Customs were one of the worst parts of Smash 4, which is a shame, because I was so excited for them initially.
Threads didn't have a post limit back in the Brawl days. The Brawl thread ended up being so large it was impossible to archive, and it even caused problems in the data base.
Vergeben said the Gen 7 Pokemon wasn't going to be Decidueye, Lycanroc, or Mimikyu. Out of the Pokemon TPC is pushing, that really only leaves Incineroar and I guess Tapu Koko.
If I was in charge of Smash and I didn't have an anti-Zelda bias like Sakurai then I would have completely revised Link and Zelda's movesets and Zelda would be in her BotW incarnation (the best one).
Link:
Neutral Special: Hero's Bow- Shoots his bow but now you can aim it. Used in the air, his falling speed drastically slows.
Side Special: Flurry Rush- Like his old final smash, Link dashes forward in a line and slashes and stuns the first enemy he contacts.
Down Special: Urbosa's Fury- A lot like Pikachu's thunder but instead of being centered on him directly, the lightning appears on both sides of him.
Up Special: Revali's Gale- Link whirls really high straight into the air. Vertical movement only.
While holding the jump button, Link pulls out his glider and sort of floats like Peach but faster and with more horizontal movement. Daruk's protection is his shield and his final smash is an ancient arrow. His normals all use his sword and shield. I don't know how you would do Mipha's Grace.
As for Zelda, I'm still working on her. But the gist is her moveset revolves entirely around the Sheikah slate since she's a scientist in the game. She would get bombs, magnesis, time-stop etc.
Link:
Neutral Special: Hero's Bow- Shoots his bow but now you can aim it. Used in the air, his falling speed drastically slows.
Side Special: Flurry Rush- Like his old final smash, Link dashes forward in a line and slashes and stuns the first enemy he contacts.
Down Special: Urbosa's Fury- A lot like Pikachu's thunder but instead of being centered on him directly, the lightning appears on both sides of him.
Up Special: Revali's Gale- Link whirls really high straight into the air. Vertical movement only.
While holding the jump button, Link pulls out his glider and sort of floats like Peach but faster and with more horizontal movement. Daruk's protection is his shield and his final smash is an ancient arrow. His normals all use his sword and shield. I don't know how you would do Mipha's Grace.
As for Zelda, I'm still working on her. But the gist is her moveset revolves entirely around the Sheikah slate since she's a scientist in the game. She would get bombs, magnesis, time-stop etc.
Both are only really main characters in one main game each (MM and TP). And TP sold much more - 8.8M x 3.6M, I think. I love MM, but it seems to be more of a late cult following, while TP was hugely popular from the start.
... maybe.......
I know, but the releases were very minor and the biggest one (Punch Out for Wii) only sold like 20k. I just brought it up because I think it's the closest to Star Tropics anyway.
Oh I see.
It's just that Decidueye always came off to me gen 7's Greninja. Him being the first playable gen 7 in Pokken only reinforced that belief.
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