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Chalfonts

Banned
Apr 3, 2018
530
Stupid and counterproductive to release this, but that's nintendo's MO

mario 3d world or one of the zelda remakes would have been far more appropriate
 

Wackamole

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,942
LOL go back and play NSMBWii multiplayer and tell me that again. It was some of the most crazy (and evil) multiplayer ive played. Wii U is too easy until rainbow road (at which point it gets ridicuously hard).
Ahh, haha. I was talking single player.
I agree the WiiU version gets more demanding only later in the game. Key is to collect everything though. Otherwise it isn't fun.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,005
Would you prefer new games or ports?

Forget about sales and if it makes business sense.
Yes it makes business sense to release these ports but I'm getting tired of it personally.

Neither bothers me I like a bit of both but you need to realise for me they are basically new games I didn't own a Wii U, would love to play Mario 3D World especially as well as Pikmin 3
 

Jimrpg

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,280
Ahh, haha. I was talking single player.
I agree the WiiU version gets more demanding only later in the game. Key is to collect everything though. Otherwise it isn't fun.

Yeah its definitely a lot harder to collect all the stars. But usually the way i play is just to do my best colecting whatever i can without it becoming too much of a pain in the butt.

I kinda value how difficult it was to get to the end of stages in NSMBWii.
 

Wackamole

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,942
Yeah its definitely a lot harder to collect all the stars. But usually the way i play is just to do my best colecting whatever i can without it becoming too much of a pain in the butt.

I kinda value how difficult it was to get to the end of stages in NSMBWii.
Yeah that does become a pain in the butt. But it also makes the game a REAL challenge for a lot of experienced gamers like a lot of people on Era. And it's 100% skill at that point.
On a side note: it's good to see good ports coming to the Switch. It sucks for people who already played them but a lot of people missed out on some really awesome games.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,005
Regardless of what everyone thinks about the matter, they have ported almost everything worthwhile. Next one will probably be 3D World, maybe X and that's it (Mario Maker would depend whether they chose to make a sequel or not).

2019 will have a lot of new Nintendo games so I wouldn't worry.


They haven't ported everything yet

Still think we will get

Xenoblade X
Mario 3D World
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Paper Mario Color Splash
Tokyo Mirage FE
Pushmo


So far we have had
Pokken
Lego City Undercover
Captain Toad
Bayonetta 2
Hyrule Warriors
DK Tropical Freeze

I think they will skip Yoshi Wooly World and Mario Maker as they have had a 2nd chance with 3DS ports. And with Mario Maker I think they will expand it enough to make a sequel just like what they did with Splatoon. I also don't expect Star Fox Zero, Kirby and Nintendoland as they use they rely too much on the Wii U pad.

Also note Nintendo have also reused assets from Mario Tennis, Splatoon, Smash Wii U and Mario Party from their respective sequels on Switch. These are not singleplayer focused games so it makes sense to just make a iterative sequel using the predecessor as a base, this is something I don't expect them to do with the likes of Pikmin 3 and NSMB, may as well port those then make a sequel as sequels for singleplayer games don't replace the predecessor while with multiplayer games people move in and drop the last game quickly
 

BGBW

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,281
Would you prefer new games or ports?

Forget about sales and if it makes business sense.
Yes it makes business sense to release these ports but I'm getting tired of it personally.
I like how Wii U owners are often shut down in these thread. Please conform. Please clap for Nintendo. No disappointment allowed.
 

robjoh

Member
Oct 31, 2017
586
I don't like to do rankings but for me I'd say it's something like this:
  1. NSMBU
  2. NSMBWii
  3. SMB3
  4. SMW
  5. NSMB2
  6. NSMB
  7. SMB1
  8. SMB2
It's not so much to do with length because NSLU levels are great and short, but the quality and variety of ideas and level design. NSMBU shows the most care anyone's put into the level design in the 2D games. Meticulously crafted.

SMB3 is great, but the system limitations hold it back. Plus it's got a few issues that should be considered poor game design, but apart from those it's amazing for an NES game.

SMW was honestly a disappointment when it released. It was visually less appealing than SMB3, had fewer levels, and had less variety in level types. Yoshi and the cape were fun but they were too powerful and made the game too easy, with it being too easy even without them.

NSMB2 has some great ideas and some good visual design, but it's also too easy.

NSMB for DS is underrated. It added a LOT of ideas to 2D Mario but it gets little credit for them. Ultimately the level design wasn't that great but there are some standouts.

I don't think I want to do a list. I clearly enjoy all the 2D mario games I have played. For me it has all to do in what mode I am in. Sometimes I feel that SMB1 is what I want to play sometimes I want to play NSMB.

Have not bought a Switch yet as I want a 2D mario before I join in
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
They haven't ported everything yet

Still think we will get

Xenoblade X
Mario 3D World
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Paper Mario Color Splash
Tokyo Mirage FE
Pushmo


So far we have had
Pokken
Lego City Undercover
Captain Toad
Bayonetta 2
Hyrule Warriors
DK Tropical Freeze

I think they will skip Yoshi Wooly World and Mario Maker as they have had a 2nd chance with 3DS ports. And with Mario Maker I think they will expand it enough to make a sequel just like what they did with Splatoon. I also don't expect Star Fox Zero, Kirby and Nintendoland as they use they rely too much on the Wii U pad.

Also note Nintendo have also reused assets from Mario Tennis, Splatoon, Smash Wii U and Mario Party from their respective sequels on Switch. These are not singleplayer focused games so it makes sense to just make a iterative sequel using the predecessor as a base, this is something I don't expect them to do with the likes of Pikmin 3 and NSMB, may as well port those then make a sequel as sequels for singleplayer games don't replace the predecessor while with multiplayer games people move in and drop the last game quickly

When you take the list of best selling WiiU games, there is no much left yes.

Game that sold over 1m copies on WiiU :

1) Mario Kart 8 --> ported
2) Super Mario 3D World
3) New Super Mario Bros U --> rumoured, 2018
4) Smash Wii U --> Sequel on Switch
5) Nintendo Land --> built with the WiiU in mind
6) Splatoon --> Sequel on Switch
7) Super Mario Maker --> rumoured, early 2019
8) New Super Luigi U --> rumoured, 2018
9) The Wind Waker
10) Mario Party 10 --> Sequel on Switch
11) Wii Party U
12) Yoshi's Wooly World --> ported to 3DS, new entry on Switch
13) Donkey Kong Country : Tropical Freeze --> ported
14) Breath of the Wild --> Cross-gen
15) Pokkén --> ported

Nintendo ported their best-selling WiiU games that didn't sell at their full potential because of the WiiU. You could see other ports on specific conditions like Bayo 1&2 when Bayo 3 is announced but otherwise that's it, we are at the end.
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MaitreWakou

One Winged Slayer
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May 15, 2018
13,180
Toulouse, France
When you take the list of best selling WiiU games, there is no much left yes.

Game that sold over 1m copies on WiiU :

1) Mario Kart 8 --> ported
2) Super Mario 3D World
3) New Super Mario Bros U --> rumoured, 2018
4) Smash Wii U --> Sequel on Switch
5) Nintendo Land --> built with the WiiU in mind
6) Splatoon --> Sequel on Switch
7) Super Mario Maker --> rumoured, early 2019
8) New Super Luigi U --> rumoured, 2018
9) The Wind Waker
10) Mario Party 10 --> Sequel on Switch
11) Wii Party U
12) Yoshi's Wooly World --> ported to 3DS, new entry on Switch
13) Donkey Kong Country : Tropical Freeze --> ported
14) Breath of the Wild --> Cross-gen
15) Pokkén --> ported

Nintendo ported their best-selling WiiU games that didn't sell at their full potential because of the WiiU. You could see other ports on specific conditions like Bayo 1&2 when Bayo 3 is announced but otherwise that's it, we are at the end.
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Nah. Kamiya is pushing hard to port The Wonderful 101 on Switch. Monolith Soft has said multiple times they want to port Xenoblade X on Switch. And Tokyo Mirage Sessions is way too unique and ambitious to not be ported on Switch, Atlus will want to let this game shine on a new platform.
 
Oct 30, 2017
3,005
When you take the list of best selling WiiU games, there is no much left yes.

Game that sold over 1m copies on WiiU :

1) Mario Kart 8 --> ported
2) Super Mario 3D World
3) New Super Mario Bros U --> rumoured, 2018
4) Smash Wii U --> Sequel on Switch
5) Nintendo Land --> built with the WiiU in mind
6) Splatoon --> Sequel on Switch
7) Super Mario Maker --> rumoured, early 2019
8) New Super Luigi U --> rumoured, 2018
9) The Wind Waker
10) Mario Party 10 --> Sequel on Switch
11) Wii Party U
12) Yoshi's Wooly World --> ported to 3DS, new entry on Switch
13) Donkey Kong Country : Tropical Freeze --> ported
14) Breath of the Wild --> Cross-gen
15) Pokkén --> ported

Nintendo ported their best-selling WiiU games that didn't sell at their full potential because of the WiiU. You could see other ports on specific conditions like Bayo 1&2 when Bayo 3 is announced but otherwise that's it, we are at the end.
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Xenoblade X - Xenoblade 2 surpassed expectations so I see them putting this while the IP gained popularity
Mario 3D World - Makes perfect sense for Switch as multiplayer, engine already ported with Captain Toad
Pikmin 3 - popular enough to port, fits your description
Wonderful 101 - dev gas already stated they would like to port it and they already ported Bayonetta 2
Paper Mario Color Splash - another popular IP and this released near the end of Wii U cycle when it was really dead
Tokyo Mirage FE - this is the least likely out of the list but Fire Emblem coming out as well as Shin Megami Tensei for Switch this may have some relevance.
Pushmo - if Captain Toad can make it I don't see why this can't even as a eShop only title

No way are they not porting the above

I also see them making new sequels using assets from Wii Sports Club and Wii Fit U
 

goldenpp73

Banned
Dec 5, 2017
2,144
Neither bothers me I like a bit of both but you need to realise for me they are basically new games I didn't own a Wii U, would love to play Mario 3D World especially as well as Pikmin 3

No, every decision Nintendo makes should factor the 15 million people who bought a Wii U, not the other 75+ million who didn't.
 

LinkStrikesBack

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,370
Tokyo Mirage FE - this is the least likely out of the list but Fire Emblem coming out as well as Shin Megami Tensei for Switch this may have some relevance.
And Tokyo Mirage Sessions is way too unique and ambitious to not be ported on Switch, Atlus will want to let this game shine on a new platform.
I wouldn't count on TMS happening unless Nintendo pony's up the cash for an expanded version with an additional dungeon or something. In general, atlus doesn't do straight ports of old games.
 

Lelouch0612

Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,200
Nah. Kamiya is pushing hard to port The Wonderful 101 on Switch. Monolith Soft has said multiple times they want to port Xenoblade X on Switch. And Tokyo Mirage Sessions is way too unique and ambitious to not be ported on Switch, Atlus will want to let this game shine on a new platform.

Xenoblade X - Xenoblade 2 surpassed expectations so I see them putting this while the IP gained popularity
Mario 3D World - Makes perfect sense for Switch as multiplayer, engine already ported with Captain Toad
Pikmin 3 - popular enough to port, fits your description
Wonderful 101 - dev gas already stated they would like to port it and they already ported Bayonetta 2
Paper Mario Color Splash - another popular IP and this released near the end of Wii U cycle when it was really dead
Tokyo Mirage FE - this is the least likely out of the list but Fire Emblem coming out as well as Shin Megami Tensei for Switch this may have some relevance.
Pushmo - if Captain Toad can make it I don't see why this can't even as a eShop only title

No way are they not porting the above

I also see them making new sequels using assets from Wii Sports Club and Wii Fit U

It is possible that it'll happen under specific conditions but you'll notice that the devs are publicly pushing for the port aka Nintendo is not totally convinced yet. There was a big financial benefit from porting games that could sell millions on Switch.

All the games you mentionned (except 3D World) would fit another need. For example #FE won't sell a huge lot but putting it between Fire Emblem and SMTV could be a good idea.
 

Mcjmetroid

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,843
Limerick, Ireland
Neither bothers me I like a bit of both but you need to realise for me they are basically new games I didn't own a Wii U, would love to play Mario 3D World especially as well as Pikmin 3

I can accept a WiiU port release but they are usually at full price which is what I have a problem with. It's indefensible from a consumer point of view unless a lot of content is being made to justify it which is rarely is to be fair. Remember when pikmin and a lot of Gamecube games came to the Wii under the name "Wiimake". They were budget priced and were more challenging to create because of the vast control differences.
 
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Oct 30, 2017
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I can accept a WiiU port release but they are usually at full price which is what I have a problem with. It's indefensible from a consumer point of view unless a lot of content is being made to justify it which is rarely is to be fair. Remember when pikmin and a lot of Gamecube games came to the Wii under the name "Wiimake". They were budget priced and were more challenging to create because of the vast control differences.

In terms of porting they were not challenging to port as a Wii was basically a GameCube with a bit more power. Switch is a different architecture to Wii U.

Again if Nintendo sees that the games do not sell well they will revaluate the price of their ports if they sell just as well as new releases as Mario Kart and Donkey Kong have shown they will continue to sell these ports full price.

As a consumer if you don't like it you can skip those games, but then you have a problem of not having enough new new games if you owned a Wii U.

Luckily as a person who didn't own a Wii U this doesn't bother me as all these games are new to me and worth full price.

If I had owned a Wii U I would have waited for more exclusive Switch games before I jumped in but for some Splatoon 2 and Oddyssey was enough.

As a consumer all you can do is vote with your wallet.
 

WrenchNinja

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,745
Canada
I have U and Luigi U (in disc form no less) already, so pretty hard pass. Thought they were mediocre at best, it's just so hard to go back to a game like it after Tropical Freeze. But good for people who want to replay them or haven't tried them before though. Hopefully it's discounted but that seems unlikely.
 

KeRaSh

I left my heart on Atropos
Member
Oct 26, 2017
10,264
I really don't like the NSMB art style. I'm not saying the art is bad, but I really don't like the look of it. Also not a fan of the expanded move set.
Hopefully this is just a small side port while they are working on a brand new 2D Mario that's not NSMB.
I'll still buy this, though.
 

Kazuma Kiryu

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,538
As much as I do think NSMBU deserves a second chance on a more successful console, (it is incredibly underrated.) the ports do need to be taken down a notch now.

Would prefer to see more new games next year in between them.

Don't give me another GBA, which felt like a SNES portable for a while.

It's easy money. Also, who blames them when the Wii U was a massive flop? There's a lot of games there that most people didn't touch because of that.
 

jts

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,018
Have you played 3D World? It is the least like the other 3D Marios (sans 3D Land), and is basically a 2D game in 3D form.

It's amazing, probably the best 3D Mario game imo (with Odyssey).
I have, it's very good and it's more isometric than the free-roaming 3D Marios but it's still 3D and I really have a craving for a more classic left-to-right 2D Mario game.
 

Jonneh

Good Vibes Gaming
Verified
Oct 24, 2017
4,538
UK
NSMBU is among the best Mario's for sure. I mean it's no Tropical Freeze but what is?
 

ASaiyan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,228
I never got this, but according to the true-believers this game is "the best 2D Mario ever". So I'd certainly give it a go on Switch.
 

kjtc1979

Member
Nov 27, 2017
326
I like how Wii U owners are often shut down in these thread. Please conform. Please clap for Nintendo. No disappointment allowed.

Wii U owners are not a monolith. I supported the platform completely, and had all of the games that have been ported. I've double dipped on most of them because I simply enjoy playing them more on the Switch, but I understand why those who don't want to do so feel frustrated with the number of ports.

But I'd also note that the success these ports are having prove that the Wii U had fantastic software. It was just marooned on an unappealing platform. Regarding NSMBU, it sold less than six million. So even if everybody who bought it also bought a Switch, the game would be new to fourteen million Switch owners, and that number will only grow.

These are great games that deserved a bigger audience and they are finally getting it.
 

Wil Grieve

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,079
Mario Maker was such a wasted opportunity IMO. It turns out levels just aren't very fun when they aren't crafted by people who understand game design.
 

Starsunder

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,740
NSMBU is a masterpiece, and i cant fucking wait to play it again.

It would be awesome if they added a couple different playable characters or had new stages.
 
Nov 3, 2017
376
BS-X
I cannot find the slot to plug a nes classic in to a switch.

And this NSMB thing is still just something in the rumor mill that may never actually come to pass.

You're literally pulling the "that doesn't count because x" argument.

(For reference, this logic applies just as well to the Arcade Archives or Indie game ports on Switch. I used the NES Classic as an example specifically because it's a confirmed success.)
 

LinkStrikesBack

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,370
And this NSMB thing is still just something in the rumor mill that may never actually come to pass.

You're literally pulling the "that doesn't count because x" argument.

(For reference, this logic applies just as well to the Arcade Archives or Indie game ports on Switch. I used the NES Classic as an example specifically because it's a confirmed success.)

Oh.

OK then.

Given how many of them there are, Nintendo can quit making games entirely and just put out some NES and SNES roms every month or two, solid. I'm sure that business plan would work out spectacularly.
 

Deleted member 17207

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Oct 27, 2017
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Mario Maker was such a wasted opportunity IMO. It turns out levels just aren't very fun when they aren't crafted by people who understand game design.
I don't think it was a "wasted opportunity" so much as it just didn't yield the results that many people thought it would. Spending hours building a level got boring quick for me, and spending hours trying to beat impossible levels got boring even faster.

I'd much rather play a carefully designed Mario game made by Nintendo. I'd be pretty OK if we never saw Mario Maker again, though I understand why people like it.

I'd just MUCH rather get a 3D World port. That GOAT Mario being on Wii U is the true wasted opportunity. More people need to realize what a masterpiece that game is.
 

Aprikurt

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Oct 29, 2017
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I mean Tropical Freeze is leagues beyond this game, so if you want your 2D platformer fix... yeah...

But that's cool too. Bigger library, and will doubtlessly sell loads.
 

jts

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
3,018
Yeah I don't know about wasted opportunity since it pretty much did what it set out to do, but after being hyped out of my mind for the simple idea of Mario Maker existing, I ended up spending very little time on it, less than on any other Mario.

But I guess it's always possible to improve on the idea/formula.
 

xyla

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,387
Germany
The port that I really want is a remaster of the first two Paper Mario games with the Color Splash Engine!

But Mario Maker will also be fine. Especially if they add features like coop or a SMB2 style. Not that really expect those.

NSMB will only be bought if it includes 1 WITH it's mini-games. Those are still amazing. And today we'd get Leaderboards and stuff.