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Rachel Maddow: "Trump isn't attacking critics, he's going after witnesses"
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Never thought about it this way. This is an incredible analysis of what the Trump administration is doing. Holy Shit.
People are only considering this angle now? While obviously an egotistical asshat, revoking aecurity clearances also means that certain matters cannot be discussed openly anymore.
He just revealed this "Enemies List" a few days ago. But doing so people can now piece together the underlining truth of it all. I hope Mueller is paying attention to this.
In reflection tho: Holy Shit! This was probably brung up and deliberated by not just Trump but also his republican congressman round table of advisors. The implications of it screams not only conspiracy but also corruption and absurd obstruction.
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What I meant was, do we really need an investigative piece and Trump flaunting an enemy list to get the pattern? When former officials are getting their clearances revoked by what is very likely the most criminal President in the annals of history, its kinda obvious that they likely have huge amounts of evidence and documentation for widespread investigations on said president. Hopefully mueller already has gotten them on record beforehand.
Every morning Trump wakes up and says to himself "time to obstruct justice on the tweet machine lol"
I sincerely hope we can cement some new policies after this disaster of a presidency.
There should be some serious lessons learned from all of this
There should be some serious lessons learned from all of this
Yes we do. We need it always broken down into quantifiable pieces even if it's obvious and we already know what we need. People are dumb with short attention spans and need everything laid out for them.
I'm glad Rachel broke it down like this. More people need to cite her on it. This revelation of information needs to be front and center so the base can see and analyze.
Its obvious that Trump is operating like a mobster but in broad daylight.
Just waiting for "be a shame if something happened to [person x]" tweets.
Just waiting for "be a shame if something happened to [person x]" tweets.
It's safe to say that any moves showing intelligence likely didn't come from him.
Pod Save America made this case, too, on their most recent episode.
The main goal, they suspect, is to discredit all the witnesses of Trump's crimes within the eyes of his base, so when Mueller finally comes out with his report, Republicans will think none of the witnesses are worth any salt, giving the Republicans in Congress the political cover they need to ignore the report entirely.
The main goal, they suspect, is to discredit all the witnesses of Trump's crimes within the eyes of his base, so when Mueller finally comes out with his report, Republicans will think none of the witnesses are worth any salt, giving the Republicans in Congress the political cover they need to ignore the report entirely.
This whole thing is absurd. As an American, I *have* to believe that this will all be sorted properly in the end and justice will be served. Otherwise, the precedents this entire ordeal sets do not bode well for the future of this country.
As an American, after all the bullshit we've seen over the last 3+ years, that should be the last thing to believe. And that's terrifying. Checks and balances and justice means nothing if the people in power doesn't give a shit or actively turn a blind eye or whatnot.
Kind of off topic but, you know what's crazy...in Malcolm Nance's recent book he mentions that Trump never tweets or attacks Rachel Maddow.
I never realized this but if you think about it, it's true. I wonder why?
Anyways, Rachel is on the money as usual.
I never realized this but if you think about it, it's true. I wonder why?
Anyways, Rachel is on the money as usual.
Rachel Maddow is a treasure. I especially appreciate her show as a non-american because she goes to great lengths to explain the convoluted political and legal system and procedures in a way that is understandable for a layperson and foreigner like me.
I particularly like the segments where she does extensive comparisons to the historical Nixon presidency and contrasts the similarities and differences. Just great work, great journalism and a great show overall.
I particularly like the segments where she does extensive comparisons to the historical Nixon presidency and contrasts the similarities and differences. Just great work, great journalism and a great show overall.
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She gets a lot of shit for being sensationalist sometimes or making small stories out to be a big deal, but I think she has good intentions and she's very thorough from what I can tell (aside from a few notable slip ups).
She'd make a good policy maker down the line IMHO but I'm sure many disagree with me.
That's even more dangerous then. His Republican supporters coming up with ways to obstruct justice all in the name of fucking russia.
That segment on Trump's tax return was a fucking travesty. But the report in the OP is pretty good. I would have cut the SNL bit, kind of undermines the seriousness of the situation but whatever.
This has been patently obvious for a year now. Everything Trump says on this topic is about casting doubt on it. If he says it enough times over a long period of time the bet is enough people just say "I don't know what to believe", and for him that would be a hug victory.
I also think the average person isn't following this stuff closely or doesn't even understand the full gravity of what's going on. This is why his argument regarding his nice guy thing with Putin is "we should have a good relationship with them". To the average uninformed person that sounds like a good idea.
Seriously. I'm pissed I missed out on the Brennan news at all with how critical this ploy is.
I have no issues calling the people at Fox and in the GOP who will cover him on this criminal co-conspirators. His desperation to obstruct is no longer under debate and no one can claim ignorance after Trump falls. Everyone defending Trump at this point should be removed from office.
Giulianni has been going on tv saying exactly this for months. And he's actually probably right. If enough of the public doesn't really give a fuck, congress can probably get away with not giving a fuck too.
Nah, they're doing it to own the libs. If it helps Russia, that's just incidental.
he attacks MSNBC all the time
but honestly I think he just doesn't watch her. do you realize how long Fox & Friends is??
He's obviously obsessed with CNN tho. That much is clear. He HATES CNN but prob has it on 24/7...
I find this to generally be a misleading complaint. She's not sensationalist she just feels more strongly about certain issues than others, perhaps more than even her viewership at times. But what she always strives to do is make sure she gives her viewers an accurate, thorough reckoning of the issue first, so they can decide how they feel separate from her own reaction to the issue.
Agree completely.
While I'm a big fan of pregressive left wing media like tyt, secular talk, humanist report, majority report etc I do see some of them (and many here) give her shit for being all over the Russia angle but she has covered some really interesting and complex issues.
Main example for me was the story about trump building a building in some foreign country and how when you look at all the details it screams of money laundering. The fact the building didn't actually have a real entrance to drive I to the building was a fact I remember a lot.
It's clear that if you had the ability to look at every aspect of the big picture that the sheer size and complexity of the collusion between different governments and shady individuals is massive and very detailed and much bigger and conspiracy sounding then most would ever believe.
Sure....ok.. he might not be smart enough personally but he's got smart"ish" peoepe around him telling him the benefits and encouraging this shit.
There is a whole lot of them that benefit from their treasonous behavior not being discovered.
Yeah, the building in Azerbaijan built with money laundered in from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Exactly the kind of dirty, small-time deal that actual billionaires don't need or want to touch. For those who are interested, it's a great read:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal
Compare her analysis of stuff like this to Hannity. She presents news articles, official documents and videos to back up her claims.
Kind of striking that during the same time slot people are more drawn to his show. Less critical thinking, more conspiracy theory and the same personalities angry at how the deep state is against the American people.
Yes, this is awful.
Anyone who allows Trump to remain in office is complicit.
Trump may have damaged American politics beyone repair, because Trump has shown that NOTHING you do or say has any consequences whatsoever. There are no standards, no morals, no ethics, no responsibility, no repercussions.
Anyone who allows Trump to remain in office is complicit.
Trump may have damaged American politics beyone repair, because Trump has shown that NOTHING you do or say has any consequences whatsoever. There are no standards, no morals, no ethics, no responsibility, no repercussions.
Saw this on air last night. Maddow is on point is usual, and I'm surprised that this angle isn't getting explored more. She really is always out front on big issues while realizing the implications well in advance of the rest of the media. I mean, she was ahead of the media on the Flint, MI water crisis MONTHS in advance.
That's how I've always felt about her too. Maybe some people got soured on her after the tax papers thing and now they unfairly criticize anything she does that isn't perfect.
Either way I think she's a valuable asset in both the media and as someone on the left.
She's fantastic at breaking down things in a simple to understand manner. I appreciate all the night shows with their humor in their takes, but I feel like I'm getting to the point where I just can't joke about this situation anymore.
The angle I hadn't considered is that these 'designated enemies' need access to their classified materials when they're called to testify, so they can check details, personal notes and timelines. Anything intelligence related can't leave the secure location so they have to physically go back to look at documents or secure databases.
If they're forced to testify from memory, inevitably there'll be gaps and contradictions the accused can exploit for their defense.
If they're forced to testify from memory, inevitably there'll be gaps and contradictions the accused can exploit for their defense.
If he's acting like a mob boss criminal out the open is he really one? No real mob boss criminal would do it so out in the open!
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Yes, I've also noted this recently when watching. She adopts a very conversational tone; it feels like you're sitting and having a drink with her at a pub or something and she's explaining in a friendly tone all these things she has researched/reasoned.
