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Falconbox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,600
Buffalo, NY
Michigan state Rep. Bettie Cook Scott is facing calls from 19 groups to apologize after she allegedly referred to her Asian primary opponent, state Rep. Stephanie Chang, as "ching-chong," according to a press release from Progress Michigan.

Chang and Scott both ran in the Democratic primary for the state Senate. Chang won with 49 percent of the vote, and Scott earned 11 percent.

Scott allegedly expressed anti-immigrant sentiments, telling a voter "immigrants from China are coming over and taking our community from us," the groups said in a Tuesday statement.

The statement also alleges that Scott said "Vote for me. Don't vote for the ching-chong!" and called members of Chang's staff "ching-chongs."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/michigan-lawmaker-racial-slur_us_5b75da49e4b05906b4119cb5


Thankfully, at least from what I'm reading, Chang did end up beating her at least.
 

ShortNasty

Member
Dec 15, 2017
1,008
Play stupid games; Win .... nothing. Seriously though. How hard is it to lose with grace and a plum? As opposed to stale ass, booty drippin, (hopefully) career ending, publicly spouted racism. What a lameass.
 

SaberVS7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,293
...Why would Scott think this is a good idea as a Democrat? You ain't winning the left vote with statements like that, and not only does trying to appeal to Republicans not work, it sure as hell isn't working in the Dem primary!
 

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Boiled Goose

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Nov 2, 2017
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Gross.

Asian Americans are a growing demographic and gaining political and economic power. Racism agaisnt Asians is gonna start becoming more blatant
 

Strike

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,466
That was smart. Better that she outs her racist ass and keeps herself from holding any office than the opposite.
 

Taki

Attempt to circumvent a ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,308
Some people don't really register anti-asian racism as racism.
 

monapon

Member
Nov 9, 2017
253
Heh she can't even get her immigrant groups right. Pretty sure a last name of Chang would be more likely to indicate Taiwan as opposed to China but I'm also sure she has no idea what Taiwan even is so go figure.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771
User Banned (2 Weeks): Casting aspersions on reported news based on racial bias. History of severe infractions.
Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

I'll wait for some additional evidence before calling this person a "piece of shit".
 

laminated

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,283
Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

I'll wait for some additional evidence before calling this person a "piece of shit".

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...bettie-cook-scott-stephanie-chang/1013336002/

"Those are not the kinds of comments that should be made nor are they the kind of comments I would normally make," Scott said in a statement issued through her lawyer Bill Noakes on Thursday. "I humbly apologize to Rep. Chang and to her husband, Mr. Gray, and to the broader Asian American community.

"We live in a time of increasing divisiveness," she said. "As a state representative, I should never do anything to contribute to an atmosphere of divisiveness and for that, I am terribly sorry. I look forward to meeting with Rep. Chang to express my apologies directly to her as soon as she's able to meet with me."
 

laminated

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Oct 28, 2017
1,283
Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

I'll wait for some additional evidence before calling this person a "piece of shit".

Hey buddy, why is the fact that the journalist was asian an issue?
 

Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
7,237
Heh she can't even get her immigrant groups right. Pretty sure a last name of Chang would be more likely to indicate Taiwan as opposed to China but I'm also sure she has no idea what Taiwan even is so go figure.

Chang (probably the family name "Zhang" in Mandarin) is common in both Taiwan and China. Lin or Tsai would be more common in Taiwan.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771

So she admitted it. That's evidence enough. What a world we live in.


Hey buddy, why is the fact that the journalist was asian an issue?

It's not? I'm just pointing out it's clear and natural that the news would gain traction in the asian community (since they were the victims of the racism) which could justify some caution if they news remained at the "alleged" state.

We had a similar case here, where the indian community picked up news of a pakistani imam apparently making a very violent speech about pakistani-indian relationships in the local community. A fairly well known journalist of indian origin picked up the news and wrote a pretty strong piece on it, except in the end turns out the entire thing was a big misunderstanding that the right wing party exploited to cause strife.


All in all, if she admitted it, she deserves the vitriol. What could possibly lead a person who should know everything about discrimination to think this was a good idea?
 

monapon

Member
Nov 9, 2017
253
Chang (probably the family name "Zhang" in Mandarin) is common in both Taiwan and China. Lin or Tsai would be more common in Taiwan.

People from China wouldn't spell it as Chang though (it would be Zhang) unless they were super early immigrants or something but then they still wouldn't be part of that recent Chinese immigration wave Scott is trying to insult.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

I'll wait for some additional evidence before calling this person a "piece of shit".

Let me be this guy: this is a very ignorant, ridiculous and honestly pretty racist post.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
4,771
Let me be this guy: this is a very ignorant, ridiculous and honestly pretty racist post.

I'm sorry if it comes off that way, but since you're the second person pointing it out, what's racist and ridicolous about it?

I was simply questioning the idea of taking alleged statements at face value during a political race. "Race" has nothing to do with it, and I'm curious as to why you think it does.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sorry if it comes off that way, but since you're the second person pointing it out, what's racist and ridicolous about it?

I was simply questioning the idea of taking alleged statements at face value during a political race. "Race" has nothing to do with it, and I'm curious as to why you think it does.

"Race" has nothing to do with it besides the fact that you explicitly brought up that the journalist was Asian like the canidate as if that has any barring on anything.
 

laminated

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm sorry if it comes off that way, but since you're the second person pointing it out, what's racist and ridicolous about it?

I was simply questioning the idea of taking alleged statements at face value during a political race. "Race" has nothing to do with it, and I'm curious as to why you think it does.

"Race" has nothing to do with it besides the fact that you explicitly brought up that the journalist was Asian like the canidate as if that has any barring on anything.


Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

But "Race" has nothing to do with it... lol

I think to assume that the journalists reporting was inherently biased because she was asian, and to assume that because two groups out of NINETEEN calling her to apologize happen to be asian associations makes the claims suspect is being extremely unfair to the groups involved.
 

Stop It

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Oct 25, 2017
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Let me be that guy: here we have an article by an asian journalist reporting the claims of an asian association that a black woman running against an asian candidate "allegedly" used racist remarks against asian people.

I'll wait for some additional evidence before calling this person a "piece of shit".
Yes, let's attempt to discredit reporting based on the race of the people reporting it.

Let's not, eh?

It was admitted by the person involved too, but this sort of attack is completely unwarranted and tinged with racism.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
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Ok, I see where the misunderstanding lies. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply the journalist is uncapable of being objective because she'd be biased. Just that since she's asian she probably have ties with the asian community and thus she's reporting what one side of the fence has to say. Race isn't the relevant thing here: it would be the same if the candidate allegedly had commented on mom'n'pop stores being tax evaders and the community had reacted to it.

It's not about race, it's about sources. As presented the news seemed to come from a single, omogeneous source of information, and thus I was being cautious. But she admitted doing it, so that's two pieces of evidence.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
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Yes, let's attempt to discredit reporting based on the race of the people reporting it.

Let's not, eh?

It was admitted by the person involved too, but this sort of attack is completely unwarranted and tinged with racism.

Oh god, it's not that. It's not about them being asian, it's about alleged declarations apparently coming from a single source during a political race.

Seriously does my message read as "oh these people are all asians, and asians are notoriously unreliable"? Isn't that implying a bit much?
 

SmokeMaxX

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not about race, it's about sources. As presented the news seemed to come from a single, omogeneous source of information, and thus I was being cautious. But she admitted doing it, so that's two pieces of evidence.
So basically Trump never says anything racist because he never admits it, right?
 

Stop It

Bad Cat
Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Oh god, it's not that. It's not about them being asian, it's about alleged declarations apparently coming from a single source during a political race.

Seriously does my message read as "oh these people are all asians, and asians are notoriously unreliable"? Isn't that implying a bit much?
Yes it does.

You've implied that a journalist isn't to be trusted because they happen to be of the same ethnicity as someone who is part of the story.

That's 100% racial profiling at best and outright racism at worst and brings FUD into a discussion that doesn't require it.

Think about just what you're saying, honestly.
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
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Yes it does.

You've implied that a journalist isn't to be trusted because they happen to be of the same ethnicity as someone who is part of the story.

That's 100% racial profiling at best and outright racism at worst and brings FUD into a discussion that doesn't require it.

Think about just what you're saying, honestly.

You have implied all that. I'm simply stated that in a political race context, alleged news all came from a single source, so some caution could be warranted. It's not about racially profiling the journalist as unreliable or biased, but assuming that in a local election context she probably had ties to the community the news came from and got the news from the sole source.

It's about sources, not ethnicity. You're seeing something that isn't there.
 

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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Oct 25, 2017
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China
Ok, this is clearly bait, but would it be so absurd to give a democrat black woman some extra benefit of doubt compared to Trump?

So you give that 1 democrat black woman the benefit of doubt, but say you should be careful to believe the other 19 groups (only 2 of which consist mainly of asian-americans)?

Also maybe read the article in the OP. It even quotes the democratic party so it was clear that what was said is a fact...
 

Visanideth

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Oct 31, 2017
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So you give that 1 democrat black woman the benefit of doubt, but say you should be careful to believe the other 19 groups (only 2 of which consist mainly of asian-americans)?

Also maybe read the article in the OP. It even quotes the democratic party so it was clear that what was said is a fact...

I was guilty of the detestable habit of reading the thread title and not the full article. The "alleged" part had me do what I usually do when I read news about alleged statements, which is: check the number of sources.

The lady admitted doing it, so the discussion is moot. She's guilty, she deserves to be blasted for it. The discussion has now shifted apparently on whether I'm a racist or not, I guess.
 

Stop It

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Oct 25, 2017
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You have implied all that. I'm simply stated that in a political race context, alleged news all came from a single source, so some caution could be warranted. It's not about racially profiling the journalist as unreliable or biased, but assuming that in a local election context she probably had ties to the community the news came from and got the news from the sole source.

It's about sources, not ethnicity. You're seeing something that isn't there.
So why did you mention the person's race 3 times in your post?

If race wasn't a factor, why didn't you say "this is only one source, is there corroboration?"

You brought race into it. And as stated, there's corroboration in the OP.