Etrian Odyssey Nexus coming Feb 5th 2019

PsychoHydro said:

Don't know, but limiting game new releases to outdated sytems certainly is.

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This is the silliest take.

Psst. This may shock you. The PS2 got games until a week before the PS4 came out. Turns out many people don't really mind if a system is """outdated""", what matters is game quality.
And a Etrian Odyssey just needs a (3)DS to work properly. Just how it is. This game can't be ported without losing most of its appeal.

Any version of the series for the switch will have to be very different, and thus may appeal to different people. It'd be silly not to bring it over, the audience exists.

Worthintendo said:

How do you play and finish a 60 hour game if you didn't like it O_o

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It happens.

7threst said:

Lol, you sure this series is for you? Because to be honest, it doesn't sound like it. Props though for giving the game so many chances.

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I'm a fan of dungeon crawlers but I can never seem to connect with this series.

Still haven't quite figured out why that is.

Something of note for people on CFW: There's a working UNDUB maker of Untold 1

Weebos said:

Porting a game like this to the Switch would probably cost more development money than it would make.

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MegaMelon said:

This is the last Etrian game on the 3ds, and quite literally wouldn't be able to work on any other system thanks to the mapping. Whatever new etrian game they're working on will be made from the ground up for whatever system (probably switch) so I don't think it's fair to say Atlus is behind the times. The alternative would be that we don't get this game and simply have to wait even longer till the etrian next is made.

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I get what you're saying but it's s shame nevertheless.

Machachan said:

This is the silliest take.

Psst. This may shock you. The PS2 got games until a week before the PS4 came out. Turns out many people don't really mind if a system is """outdated""", what matters is game quality.

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What "many people" will do is not buy the new game because they don't care about 3DS any more.

And a Etrian Odyssey just needs a (3)DS to work properly. Just how it is. This game can't be ported without losing most of its appeal.

Any version of the series for the switch will have to be very different, and thus may appeal to different people. It'd be silly not to bring it over, the audience exists.

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I don't know why people claim EO can only work on 3DS. Put it on a single screen device and make the map appear with a button press, just like it was before DS and like it will be from now on forward again.

Drawing a map yourself for the first time was fun, yeah, but it's not what makes or breaks the game, hence the inclusion of the auto map feature in recent entries.

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Aquamarine said:

Etrian Odyssey cannot fundamentally exist in its current form on the Switch. The dual-screen functionality is just too critical for the series.

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See my post above.

PsychoHydro said:

I get what you're saying but it's s shame nevertheless.

What "many people" will do is not buy the new game because they don't care about 3DS any more.

I don't know why people claim EO can only work on 3DS. Put it on a single screen device and make the map appear with a button press, just like it was before DS and like it will be from now on forward again.

Drawing a map yourself for the first time was fun, yeah, but it's not what makes or breaks the game, hence the inclusion of the auto map feature in recent entries.

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I agree with you. The series has gotten better as more of the map features have become automated. I basically never read the notes on my map, and switching to regular text entry with a dpad or analog stick would be an improvement over forcing stylus usage on me.

Seriously, fuck being forced to use the stylus, ever.

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Seriously?

Neoweee said:

I agree with you. The series has gotten better asore of the map features have become automated. I basically never read the notes on my map, and switching to regular text entry with a dpad or analog stick would be an improvement over forcing stylus usage on me.

Seriously, fuck being forced to use the stylus, ever.

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This one gets it.

Etrian Odyssey will be able to make the jump to the Switch or whatever just fine when the time comes.

There is also nothing wrong with it staying on 3DS at the moment. It makes good use of the hardware, and just because it isn't the newest doesn't mean it's irrelevant.

And here's the official word from Deep Silver about the European release:

Feel awful about skipping such a quality release, but I sadly can't make time for this.

I did my part by supporting EOV at launch and buying the others from digital sales. Great news, nonetheless.

PsychoHydro said:

Put it on a single screen device and make the map appear with a button press

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No wonder you're obsessed with whatever device such games come out on, rather than the actual qualities of the games. You're missing the basic appeal of the series!

You'd not have made it out of the first room of Wizardry IV like this (and that's not a joke or condescending - over half of players weren't able to).
Etrian is a "light" version of these dungeon crawlers, where map making was a must. It's one of the core premises of the Etrian series and why it was made, you know? That's the main appeal of the series from the beginning. Automap without a thought pretty much means it's not Etrian anymore - that setting is basically just the casual easymode of the game, akin to the golden leaf in Mario.

You're free to use it, obviously, but it's really defeating the point.

Neoweee said:

The series has gotten better as more of the map features have become automated. I basically never read the notes on my map

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Well, this explains your problems with La Mulana 2s puzzles alright.

Machachan said:

Well, this explains your problems with La Mulana 2s puzzles alright.

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Oh go fuck yourself. My problems aren't with La Mulana 2's "puzzles". My problems are with where I randomly complete puzzles without understanding the hint, where there are translation errors that make things unsolvable, where I'm blocked by not finding breakable walls with no indication that there is something there, with boss fights that are garbage jank feats, wildly misleading item descriptions, and things like that. I've gotten stumped by literally 0 puzzles that depend on me making maps or figuring out riddles on tablets thanks to my 30+ pages of manual notes, and I'm at about 95% through the game. Trying to pin me thinking that having to manually fill in map tiles and walls with a stylus is excessive is somehow related to my problems with how I approach La Mulana 2 is an absolute total garbage argument.

DrakenAstro said:

So if this is coming then this definitely means Persona Q2 is coming to west too right?

If so then it's a win win for everyone

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My guess is that Persona Q2 is May. That would mirror SMT SJR this year.

February 2018, Radiant Historia
March 2018, Alliance Alive
May 2018, Shin Megami Tensei SJR

February 2019, Etrian Odyssey Nexus
March 2019, ?????
May 2019, Persona Q2?

Delusibeta said:

And here's the official word from Deep Silver about the European release:

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Damn, that got me! That's some... unique PR.

Hieroph said:

My guess is that Persona Q2 is May. That would mirror SMT SJR this year.

February 2018, Radiant Historia
March 2018, Alliance Alive
May 2018, Shin Megami Tensei SJR

February 2019, Etrian Odyssey Nexus
March 2019, ?????
May 2019, Persona Q2?



Damn, that got me! That's some... unique PR.

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Clearly that means the March 2019 slot is EMD2 :D

Redcrayon said:

Clearly that means the March 2019 slot is EMD2 :D

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Mystery solved.

Machachan said:

Etrian is a "light" version of these dungeon crawlers, where map making was a must. It's one of the core premises of the Etrian series and why it was made, you know? That's the main appeal of the series from the beginning. Automap without a thought pretty much means it's not Etrian anymore - that setting is basically just the casual easymode of the game, akin to the golden leaf in Mario.

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It is so weird to see people asking this.

Not every game is for everyone. When we say Etrian, the first thought is "map".

Soon we will see people complaining that a first person shooter is... in first person. -_-

La Leganto said:

It is so weird people asking this.

Not every game is for everyone. When we say Etrian, the first thought is "map".

Soon we well see people complaining that a first person shooter is... in first person. -_-

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Gotta strip EO of it's identity to pander to the wider audience!

As someone who bought a DS for the first Etrian Odyssey, and as someone who's fucking user name is Etrian Oddity, it is about fucking time the game moved on. Get off that outdated system and evolve into something new.

Octopath Traveler eats EO's lunch when it comes to doing justice to the old-school experience. The story peaked in the first EO game, and the series was not the same after Kazuya Niinou left. And I really liked EO3, for what it's worth.

But give me FM chiptunes, not Persona/Meguro-like rock. Keep the story minimalist like old D&D games, not in-your-face animu voice acting.

Octopath Traveler is the new hotness in the retro JRPG revival because it understands what made old SaGa and FF resonate. Let's see if Atlus takes it as motivation to do better, or if they're content to do as they've done for the past decade and coast.

/crankyoldman

I haven't played Octopath Traveler but it's a fundamentally different game than EO. That's not to say EO can't mix things up but I would not want them looking to Octopath for cues. I like the series for the dungeon crawling focus, not in spite of it.

This is great! This and PQ2 will be my last games for the 3ds. And I for one think that EO isn't death yet. I believe in it.

Etrian Oddity said:

The story peaked in the first EO game, and the series was not the same after Kazuya Niinou left. And I really liked EO3, for what it's worth.

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Playing EO for story is like watching porn for story.

Nexus, Infinite, and Eternal are the lamest game subtitles.

Glad this game is getting localised!

KarmaCow said:

I haven't played Octopath Traveler but it's a fundamentally different game than EO. That's not to say EO can't mix things up but I would not want them looking to Octopath for cues. I like the series for the dungeon crawling focus, not in spite of it.

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When I say take inspiration from OT, I don't mean literally look at the game. I mean look at how the development team built the game.

The OT team is a bunch of dudes in their early 30s who grew up on Dragon Quest, SaGa, and Final Fantasy. They picked the games apart on a philosophical level and examined every little thing that worked. Yasunori Nishiki (the composer for OT) literally based his entire score by constantly asking himself what Nobuo Uematsu would do, and used that as inspiration to put his own stylistic twist on it.

They're students of the game, that's what I mean.

Knurek said:

Playing EO for story is like watching porn for story.

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This is a common sentiment, but there was some pretty dark shit in EO1 that, while minimalist, resonated in a very Demon's Souls way. You literally had to commit a genocide on the Forest Folk and the game stews you in it for a while (this got retconned in Untold).

Etrian Oddity said:

This is a common sentiment, but there was some pretty dark shit in EO1 that, while minimalist, resonated in a very Demon's Souls way. You literally had to commit a genocide on the Forest Folk and the game stews you in it for a while (this got retconned in Untold).

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To be fair in classic mode it's exactly the same and story modes don't matter to the franchise.

I know some elitists hate it, but you know other people also enjoy the story mode right? Both modes can be enjoyed.

Octopath Traveler is a successor to games like the SNES Final Fantasies, Etrian is a successor to Wizardry. They're fundamentally pretty different.

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Playing EO for story is like watching porn for story.

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While I can agree with this a little, EOU2's Story mode actually has good characters and an interesting party build. I had a lot of fun with it.

And EOV's biggest flaw is the practical lack of any story at all. The earlier games have minimalist stories, but V doesn't really have even that much, especially in the last stretch of the game as the number of field events dries up and NPC interaction all but disappears. There's a sense of adventure and mystery in 1-4 that 5 lacks as a result.

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Octopath Traveler is a successor to games like the SNES Final Fantasies, Etrian is a successor to Wizardry. They're fundamentally pretty different.


While I can agree with this a little, EOU2's Story mode actually has good characters and an interesting party build. I had a lot of fun with it.

And EOV's biggest flaw is the practical lack of any story at all. The earlier games have minimalist stories, but V doesn't really have even that much, especially in the last stretch of the game as the number of field events dries up and NPC interaction all but disappears. There's a sense of adventure and mystery in 1-4 that 5 lacks as a result.

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I thought that was really weird about V, the story can be summed up in about three sentences and is pretty much just info-dumped right before the end boss. It's barely there at all.

Funny thing about V is that the localization wasn't exactly the best. They removed references that the setting takes place in

It's disappointing too since it was sorta like EO1's twist. I still consider V to my favorite despite all that, the issues I had with 2U was remedied almost completely with the fifth installment.

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Octopath Traveler is a successor to games like the SNES Final Fantasies, Etrian is a successor to Wizardry. They're fundamentally pretty different.

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Yeah, but Octopath is a truly modern take on that oldschool genre, while Etrian doesn't offer anything that hasn't already been done with the first game more than 10 years ago.

That's what the poster above meant. It is time for Etrian to move on on a fundamental level.

Hieroph said:

My guess is that Persona Q2 is May. That would mirror SMT SJR this year.

February 2018, Radiant Historia
March 2018, Alliance Alive
May 2018, Shin Megami Tensei SJR

February 2019, Etrian Odyssey Nexus
March 2019, ?????
May 2019, Persona Q2?

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March 2019, Work x Work

Etrian Oddity said:

This is a common sentiment, but there was some pretty dark shit in EO1 that, while minimalist, resonated in a very Demon's Souls way. You literally had to commit a genocide on the Forest Folk and the game stews you in it for a while (this got retconned in Untold).

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I never cared for that, since it requires the characters we make to be pretty stupid to follow along with the obvious villain.

Said villain's motivations don't make much sense either since he was in the perfect position to keep people out of the labyrinth, but instead willingly opens it up.

PsychoHydro said:

Yeah, but Octopath is a truly modern take on that oldschool genre, while Etrian doesn't offer anything that hasn't already been done with the first game more than 10 years ago.

That's what the poster above meant. It is time for Etrian to move on on a fundamental level.

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EO offers better games than the first one in those 10 years.
I certainly think the refined gameplay counts for something.

Anyways, seems a bit silly to get worked up over a game that is meant to be a sendoff for the two screen format, and a celebration of the past games, being on such hardware. The series will move to new hardware in time, but this really doesn't seem like the kind of game for that jump.

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As someone who bought a DS for the first Etrian Odyssey, and as someone who's fucking user name is Etrian Oddity, it is about fucking time the game moved on. Get off that outdated system and evolve into something new.

Octopath Traveler eats EO's lunch when it comes to doing justice to the old-school experience. The story peaked in the first EO game, and the series was not the same after Kazuya Niinou left. And I really liked EO3, for what it's worth.

But give me FM chiptunes, not Persona/Meguro-like rock. Keep the story minimalist like old D&D games, not in-your-face animu voice acting.

Octopath Traveler is the new hotness in the retro JRPG revival because it understands what made old SaGa and FF resonate. Let's see if Atlus takes it as motivation to do better, or if they're content to do as they've done for the past decade and coast.

/crankyoldman

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I agree with you. I hate the anime garbage they added in 5 and the Untold remakes. The series peaked in 3 in my opinion. And I actually really enjoyed learning about the story in the DS Trilogy.

Do this apply for EU too?

RpgN said:

Do this apply for EU too?

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As usual with Atlus and non-Persona games, assume that the answer is no. :/

Was getting it anyway but this is awesome.

Niiiiiice.

I need to figure out how I'm going to get this, I have a US 3DS and was ordering all my 3DS games from Amazon. But now that they have blocked sales to Australia due to our silly GST laws need to either get it digital or find some site that will send it to Australia on the cheap.

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I need to figure out how I'm going to get this, I have a US 3DS and was ordering all my 3DS games from Amazon. But now that they have blocked sales to Australia due to our silly GST laws need to either get it digital or find some site that will send it to Australia on the cheap.

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Does VGP.CA ship to Australia?

Count me in as someone who loved EO1's story, it definitely kept me compelled. 2 and 3, not so much.

Mozendo said:

Does VGP.CA ship to Australia?

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They did last time I checked but that was awhile back, it'll either be them or Play-Asia I guess.