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Fridge Freezer

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But what actually makes it look modern?

Is it just better film stock?

Make up and costumes play a huge part in how film can look aged. Its why some 90s stuff looks even older, its just a bit alien. John Conner hair maybe ages it a bit but quite honestly Hollywood and child haircuts is fucking weird in America and seems to have a ban on anything short and has a strange fetish for the bowl cut.

Compare Sarah Conner in 1 and 2 and basically you see what ages a film outside of just camera tech/lighting etc.
 

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Why does it seem to me like Jaws and Indiana Jones have much more nostalgia attached to them than T2?

I put T2 right up there with them as an equally good masterpiece.

One of, if not the best, theater experiences of all time.
It's weird, Indiana Jones is like this uber nostalgia beast. And you're right, they are on equal footing, absolute masterpieces, but for some reason I never got the urge to rewatch T2 as much as I do Indy.
 

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It's weird, Indiana Jones is like this uber nostalgia beast. And you're right, they are on equal footing, absolute masterpieces, but for some reason I never got the urge to rewatch T2 as much as I do Indy.
Raiders is a perfect movie too.

And you are right that it does go down easier on rewatches.

Maybe T2 is too intense for its own good in that regard.
 

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Why does it seem to me like Jaws and Indiana Jones have much more nostalgia attached to them than T2?

I put T2 right up there with them as an equally good masterpiece.

One of, if not the best, theater experiences of all time.
Indy has the simple pulp hero power fantasy appeal, the cool clever rogue going on exotic adventures punching bad guys in the face. Same kind of appeal as James Bond

While Jaws has the horror factor, the memories of being terrified as a child and how it made you scared of sharks and the ocean

T2 has none of those factors
 

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You know, one of the few things Genisys did right was their take on the T2 theme song. Great addition to the series' score.

 

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I hear the UHD T2 is pretty crappy, but I'll probably buy it anyways.
Any word on The Terminator coming to UHD?
 

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I think the soundtrack of Terminator 1 dates the movie more than the visuals. Terminator 1 uses a very 80s synth heavy soundtrack while Terminator 2 uses a slightly more timeless soundtrack
 

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I should re-watch the movies again, had some itches a while see it again.

I think the soundtrack of Terminator 1 dates the movie more than the visuals. Terminator 1 uses a very 80s synth heavy soundtrack while Terminator 2 uses a slightly more timeless soundtrack

Yeah that's the main reason why I like second movie more than the original due to the soundtrack.

 

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The T1 opening intro theme >>>>> T2's.

Not to say T2's isn't great. But T1's is foreboding as all fuck. Iconic.

 

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Probably blasphemy to some, but I think they should do CGI touch-ups to both T1 and T2 so they work better together. And release them in good 4K.
 

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Probably blasphemy to some, but I think they should do CGI touch-ups to both T1 and T2 so they work better together. And release them in good 4K.
The 4K restoration they did for the rerelease last year was amazing. And they did do CGI touch ups (eg: replacing the stunt dude with Arnold for the motorbike jump in the canal chase).
 
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Yeah, nah. It's up there with the classics. From the stuntwork, to the visuals and cinematography, to the pacing, to the storytelling and character development, it's a masterclass of action cinema. Fury Road isn't a masterpiece because of the action, but because how it expertly and efficiently uses action as storytelling. It's as lean paced as Die Hard, as visually stunning as The Matrix, has more effective character development with less hand-holding than T2, has a badass heroine as cool as Ripley and Sarah Connor

Mad Max had a far more simplistic story and therefore it did not require too much exposition. Not every film needs to work as silent cinema in order to be considered good story telling. T2 explains only whatever needs to be explained.

All that character development in Mad Max but nothing in that movie comes close or hits hard emotionally like this.




The T1 opening intro theme >>>>> T2's.

Not to say T2's isn't great. But T1's is foreboding as all fuck. Iconic.



I love T1 but this theme music is the definition of Iconic. Goddamn from 10sec to 30.

 

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Mad Max had a far more simplistic story and therefore it did not require too much exposition. Not every film needs to work as silent cinema in order to be considered good story telling. T2 explains only whatever needs to be explained.

All that character development in Mad Max but nothing hits hard like this.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how T2 provides blatant exposition for things that are obvious through the visuals, through Sarah's voiceovers. Most egregiously for when we see the Terminator and John building a relationship and then we get her voice-over telling us what the imagery is already telling us. Miles' haunted look as they explain the future....here's Sarah explaining how he feels, even though we see how he's grasping things in literally the next scene. It's like the film doesn't trust the audience to grasp what it's already showing us
 
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T2 provides blatant exposition for things that are obvious through the visuals, through Sarah's voiceovers. Most egregiously for when we see the Terminator and John building a relationship and then we get her voice-over telling us what the imagery is already telling us. Miles' haunted look as they explain the future....here's Sarah explaining how he feels, even though we see how he's grasping things in literally the next scene.

She provides the voice over to also explicitly state that the men she has been with over the years would have all made for terrible fathers. I think its okay. Voice overs are okay. Movies can use it as a tool.





Not even close to being as emotional and iconic as the Thumbsup imo
 
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It's sugary family movie crap with John makes me sick these days
 

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It's weird, Indiana Jones is like this uber nostalgia beast. And you're right, they are on equal footing, absolute masterpieces, but for some reason I never got the urge to rewatch T2 as much as I do Indy.


Indiana Jones was created largely as a nostalgic work (for the adventure serials it was inspired by) so that was already sort of baked into how it functions as a movie. It's also more fun, in the tonal sense, and fun is something people are desperate to recapture since it's a far more fleeting thing in adult life, so it's a more comforting rewatch.

T2 is colder, and Cameron isn't as deft as Spielberg in creating humanistic blockbusters. His broader characters lack a bit of the warmth and wonder that Spielberg excels at. That's partly why even Jaws, which on the surface is basically a horror movie, has a warmer nostalgic conotation than T2.

(Also Raiders is a better movie)
 
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Why does it seem to me like Jaws and Indiana Jones have much more nostalgia attached to them than T2?

I put T2 right up there with them as an equally good masterpiece.

One of, if not the best, theater experiences of all time.

Hmm.. I thought a lot of people had fond memories of T2. I cant think of a single person who has not seen T2 in my office but plenty of people have not seen Raiders. In India at least a lot of people still remember "Hasta la vista, baby" but nothing from Indy. I guess in the States it is different?
 

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Hmm.. I thought a lot of people had fond memories of T2. I cant think of a single person who has not seen T2 in my office but plenty of people have not seen Raiders. In India at least a lot of people still remember "Hasta la vista, baby" but nothing from Indy. I guess in the States it is different?
Everyone saw T2 but I just don't see or experience as many references to it IRL or on tv and in popular culture.

That's my experience and perception and it may not be everyone's.
 

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I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how T2 provides blatant exposition for things that are obvious through the visuals, through Sarah's voiceovers. Most egregiously for when we see the Terminator and John building a relationship and then we get her voice-over telling us what the imagery is already telling us. Miles' haunted look as they explain the future....here's Sarah explaining how he feels, even though we see how he's grasping things in literally the next scene. It's like the film doesn't trust the audience to grasp what it's already showing us
Yes. T1 is the superior film. It's leaner, meaner, and less cornball. T2 is still a great sequel though.
 
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Fury Road is the only thing that comes close.

Yup Fury Road is the only thing that came close to that feeling. Its shocking that there are so few directors left who can create amazing action blockbusters. I really hope Cameron strikes a homerun with Avatar 2. Unfortunately I hate that world so much that I don't know if I will ever feel as attached to that as I am to T2 and Fury Road.
 

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Indy has the simple pulp hero power fantasy appeal, the cool clever rogue going on exotic adventures punching bad guys in the face. Same kind of appeal as James Bond

While Jaws has the horror factor, the memories of being terrified as a child and how it made you scared of sharks and the ocean

T2 has none of those factors
Jaws and Radiers benefit from better scripts and actors too, and while T2 is one of my favourite action films it has a saggy as middle section (made worse with directors cut) and this it's narratively weaker in its co structure than Jaws or Raiders both of which are dam near perfect.

T2 is great and has some of the best action sequences I've seen but Jaws and Raiders are overall better films which is the reason for their status, not nostalgia. They also have better musical scores; much as I like T2's crunching mechanised score it's no match for peak Williams.
 

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A lot of the people that praise it so much most likely haven't seen the greats like I mentioned above.

You'd be surprised I guess. First Blood Part 2 though?

BTW, I'm jealous of your T1 rip with the laserdisc audio.

John is always in danger. I saw it as her constant fears being reinforced, not her getting some warning in a dream

Exactly. I love that scene, I understand why people are opposed to its inclusion, but I have to have it when I watch T2.

The 4K restoration they did for the rerelease last year was amazing. And they did do CGI touch ups (eg: replacing the stunt dude with Arnold for the motorbike jump in the canal chase).

Did they take out that shot of Arnold's arm in a black stocking when the T-800 dislodges his arm in the factory? Outside of that, I actually like the moments that people usually bitch about effects-wise in both films (Arnold prosthetic head in T1, stop motion, dummy in T-2, stuntmen, etc.) Seeing Arnold's 48 inch forearm right in front of the camera bugs me everytime.



Furiosa's line to Joe, "Remember Me?" is the one that gets me. Plus, "My name is Max, that is my name."
 
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The original audio can be sourced from some of the early Terminator DVD's too. It won't be PCM like the LD, but it's better than what is on the new BR.
Love T2. This was my very first DVD purchase circa 2000, the ultimate catalog title. Watched it on my fancy DVD drive on my PC before getting my DVD player proper for my TV.

Haven't watched it in a few years but it is always a fun ride.

Speaking of DVDs, I remember the DVD producer tried to match the menus with the styles of T1 (dark, gritty) and T2 (sleek, techie). Brings back warm and fuzzy DVD memories ...

Of course, loved T2 at the movies. Completely delivered. This and True Lies are Cameron's/Arnie's 1-2 punch.
 
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Love T2. This was my very first DVD purchase circa 2000, the ultimate catalog title. Watched it on my fancy DVD drive on my PC before getting my DVD player proper for my TV.

Haven't watched it in a few years but it is always a fun ride.

Speaking of DVDs, I remember the DVD producer tried to match the menus with the styles of T1 (dark, gritty) and T2 (sleek, techie). Brings back warm and fuzzy DVD memories ...

Of course, loved T2 at the movies. Completely delivered. This and True Lies are Cameron's/Arnie's 1-2 punch.

I adored my Skynet Edition T2 DVD. First time I got to see all the wonderful behind the scenes footage. That second disc was packed to the brim with amazing extras. I fucking loved it.

Looked awesome too...
Terminator_2_Judgment_Day_Limited_Black_Tin_Edition_03.jpg
 

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Opposite for me. I don't find Indiana Jones very compelling, even on my first watch.
You misunderstood my post.

I think both T2 and Raiders are both perfect movies for what they are trying to achieve.

I just don't understand why it seems Raiders seems to have more nostalgia, more references and seems to be more revered when T2 was just as good IMO.
 

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LOL. I wouldn't even put it in my top 50. It's not even the best in it's series. Mad Max 2 is.

You have 50+ 80's action movies from Hong Kong, and a bunch of Hollywood movies like Die Hard, Predator, First Blood Part 2, Commando, ect.. all of these eat Fury Road for breakfast.

This is nonesense. First Blood Part 2? Commando? R u for real.

Fury Road is on the same top tier as stuff like Die Hard, Raiders, and Hardboiled. I'd put it above T2 as well. Most critical film circles have Fury Road among the greats so it's not like it's just people who haven't seen movies. Fury Road's just got better action than most of those 80's classics, and certainly better filmmaking than most of them (particularly the Hong Kong stuff, which I love, are frequently amateur or insufferable between action beats).
 

Bor Gullet

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You misunderstood my post.

I think both T2 and Raiders are both perfect movies for what they are trying to achieve.

I just don't understand why it seems Raiders seems to have more nostalgia, more references and seems to be more revered when T2 was just as good IMO.

Why are we comparing two totally different movies? They have nothing in common.
 

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It really has it all: cool, grounded action, levity, great characters, genuinely interesting story, great pacing. Truly one of the greats.
 
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