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jstevenson

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I bet it probably has the potential to outsell GoW with the type of marketing it has around it. Like look how many Twitter accounts have privilege to market the game. To different casual markets. That's just a 1min trailer. Imagine when the marketing campaign kicks off.





https://mobile.twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1029042396992925696

https://mobile.twitter.com/insomniacgames/status/1029039669256888320


people may not realize what a digital content titan Marvel is these days... and then you have its parent company. It's kind of breathtaking to get a glimpse into.
 

Sangetsu-II

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people may not realize what a digital content titan Marvel is these days... and then you have its parent company. It's kind of breathtaking to get a glimpse into.

I wish the studio the best James, I hope you guys sell gangbusters and get enough money to make R&C, Resistance Collection Remake and Spider-Man 2 all at once :)
 

Alandring

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Sony didn't get rid of PSX last year because they didn't have enough content, they got rid of it because they've shifted focus from the indies and niche Japanese games that made up 90% of PSX conferences to only the biggest and bestest AAA games. It baffles me that people seriously think Sony couldn't have hosted a 2014/15 style PSX conference last year when those kind of games haven't gone anywhere. Sony just doesn't seem to be interested in shining a spotlight on them any more.
These games havn't disappear : Sony showed them during the preshow of its conferences. It's the best way to do.

We don't need a conference like the first PSX. If they had nothing to show, they would do better to only make three conferences, like in 2016.

PSX is a fan event, and even if it has a live streamed event it's mostly a smaller scale thing (which blew up a bitndie to the TLOU2 reveal).

Imo, they -have- to do PGW so that the message to their EU fans isn't "Well, sorry that you aren't in the US or Asia, but at the same time we kinda take you for granted".
Why ? They can do a conference in Los Angeles, in Tokyo, in Paris or in Shanghai, it will be the same thing for me : I will see it on internet. Do the E3 press conference at 03:00 UTC+2 is a worse message than not do a conference in Europe.

For the PSX, if they havn't anything to show, they would do better to not stream the event. But I don't understand why they would do a conference at the PGW and nothing at their own event. PSX is a celebration of the PlayStation brand, it should be the major event of the year.

But yeah, the best solution would be to do the PSX in a different country each year. I don't understand why it's ever in the US.
 

Much

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Realistically, what more can we even expect from PSX? I'm sure there are tidbits to be revealed for some more games, but the other 3 games that aren't given a release window are surely gonna be the main focus. I guess my expectations at least are down, and I don't expect much more from Sony's side until we get that 'PS conference beginning in February 2020' announcement. Maybe it's just me?
 

daniel77733

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Realistically, what more can we even expect from PSX? I'm sure there are tidbits to be revealed for some more games, but the other 3 games that aren't given a release window are surely gonna be the main focus. I guess my expectations at least are down, and I don't expect much more from Sony's side until we get that 'PS conference beginning in February 2020' announcement. Maybe it's just me?

My expectations is to see more of Days Gone as it would be two months away at PSX while having more gameplay of Ghost of Tsushima and TLOUP2. I'm perfectly fine with this. Give me an hour of just more gameplay. Hell yeah!!!

Could also show Dreams and a few other games at PSX as well.
 

Zukkoyaki

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I have a feeling PSX will be like last year but tighter. Sort of like an episode of Inside Xbox. Announce like 3-5 indie/VR/PlayLink games, drop some new first party trailers and hopefully a beta date for Dreams. And of course the annual old IP revival. Throw in an interview with someone like Neil Druckmann or Shawn Layden.
 

Much

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My expectations is to see more of Days Gone as it would be two months away at PSX while having more gameplay of Ghost of Tsushima and TLOUP2. I'm perfectly fine with this. Give me an hour of just more gameplay. Hell yeah!!!

Could also show Dreams and a few other games at PSX as well.

I keep forgetting about Dreams and Days Gone. I want to see more of them! :P
 

egg

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I have a feeling PSX will be like last year but tighter. Sort of like an episode of Inside Xbox. Announce like 3-5 indie/VR/PlayLink games, drop some new first party trailers and hopefully a beta date for Dreams. And of course the annual old IP revival. Throw in an interview with someone like Neil Druckmann or Shawn Layden.

I want the Dreams beta before PSX, fuck that lol. Like PGW or something, Mm please.
 
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False Witness

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I keep forgetting about Dreams and Days Gone. I want to see more of them! :P
There'll be a Dreams stream on Friday at 12 EST. There's also the live gamejam at PAX on 9/1.

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janusff

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PSX 2018 aka PlayStation meeting when they announce the PS5? :p

And yeah, I can see Concrete Genie stopping by that time. Perhaps a shadow drop.
 

JB2448

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Shouldn't the thread title be Sony Interactive Entertainment Worldwide Studios |OT| to complement the Microsoft Studios |OT|? It just seems strange that one has the platform name and the other doesn't.
Where is Concrete Genie? WTF Sony.
Probably announce a release date at PGW.
Please. Looks like it could be a gem. Pixelopus is an underrated studio, even internally. It doesn't show up on any of the official Worldwide Studios pages:
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/footer/about-us/world-wide-studios/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/corporate/about/worldwide-studios/
https://www.jp.playstation.com/sie-worldwide-studios/
 

Henrik

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Please. Looks like it could be a gem. Pixelopus is an underrated studio, even internally. It doesn't show up on any of the official Worldwide Studios pages:
https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/footer/about-us/world-wide-studios/
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/corporate/about/worldwide-studios/
https://www.jp.playstation.com/sie-worldwide-studios/
PGW will be the last press conference of the year. Last year didn't seem to bother Sony with PSX. They heard fans who were at PSX had a good time while those who were at home expected a keynote were very disappointed.

PGW will give us updates and announcements from SIE WWS. PSX will be lowkey this year as well. What they did in 2016 will they never do again. PSX was filled with indies, third parties and VR in 2015 after a press conference at PGW. 2017 was basically the same but with less indies and streamlined to trailers for third party games.
 

LiquidSolid

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These games havn't disappear : Sony showed them during the preshow of its conferences. It's the best way to do.

We don't need a conference like the first PSX. If they had nothing to show, they would do better to only make three conferences, like in 2016.
They haven't disappeared from the PS4 (which is what I said in my last post) but they have from Sony's conferences. Sony went from showing 20-30 indie/Japanese games a year to showing 5-10. Games like Guacamelee 2 and Spelunky 2, which would've been featured in prominent spots a couple years ago, are now their pre-show games, while mostly everything else has just been pushed off the shows entirely. Just look at Yakuza. Kiwami and 6 were announced at PSX 2016, whereas Kiwami 2 was announced in the middle of March to no fanfare.

We don't need any videogame conferences but that doesn't mean they can't be fun and even though it only had a couple of huge AAA games (the horror!), that first PSX was really fun (and frankly, a much better show than anything Sony's done since PSX 2016). If you don't think they had anything to show at it then I can only assume you're more interested in major surprises than actual games.
 

Bundy

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Shouldn't the thread title be Sony Interactive Entertainment Worldwide Studios |OT| to complement the Microsoft Studios |OT|? It just seems strange that one has the platform name and the other doesn't.
No, we do our own thing ;) This is the third OT here (counting the first one on the other forum). This thread is about 1st party stuff. From Sony's own studios and 1st party games developed by 3rd party studios (see Bloodborne from From Software). The MS guys in the other thread can always complement to our thread tho.
 

egg

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Shouldn't the thread title be Sony Interactive Entertainment Worldwide Studios |OT| to complement the Microsoft Studios |OT|? It just seems strange that one has the platform name and the other doesn't.

Nahh we've had this title since 2015 (MS one wasn't until 2017), it's the OG. If we do change it, it shouldn't be to compliment the MS one. They're made by different people, for different platforms, studios, and games. They should be different.

Plus the MS thread is just a cheap imitation, hueheuheue.
 

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Cloud deformation and formation tech in Horizon.
 
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Alandring

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They haven't disappeared from the PS4 (which is what I said in my last post) but they have from Sony's conferences. Sony went from showing 20-30 indie/Japanese games a year to showing 5-10. Games like Guacamelee 2 and Spelunky 2, which would've been featured in prominent spots a couple years ago, are now their pre-show games, while mostly everything else has just been pushed off the shows entirely. Just look at Yakuza. Kiwami and 6 were announced at PSX 2016, whereas Kiwami 2 was announced in the middle of March to no fanfare.
In 2015 Sony did an hour and a half conference, in 2016 an hour conference plus a pre-show of thirty minutes. No game has disappeared and it's perfect like that.

It was ever better this year with the countdown. If they had shown Days Gone during their conference, nobody would have care about it.

We don't need any videogame conferences but that doesn't mean they can't be fun and even though it only had a couple of huge AAA games (the horror!), that first PSX was really fun (and frankly, a much better show than anything Sony's done since PSX 2016).
The first PSX conference was really boring and the worst of this year. I prefer they did anything than a new PSX 2013.

If you don't think they had anything to show at it then I can only assume you're more interested in major surprises than actual games.
Yes, exactly. I don't watch a conference if I know all the line-up and I prefer AAA. But I prefer discovering a new AA title than have a new trailer of Death Stranding (or even worst: 15 minutes of gameplay).

For me, the perfect conference was the conference from Bethesda at E3 2017. It was short, full of reveal (even if these games wasn't unexpected) and all games released in 2017 !

Honestly, I think all conferences from Sony will be boring until the reveal of the PlayStation 5, because we know all major exclusives that will come to PlayStation 4.
 

Temascos

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PSX 2014 was pretty good fun in my opinion, there was plenty of in-depth showings of various games and it had a good presentation overall. PSX 2015 was good too but the VR part grinded it to a halt. 2016 was amazing and perfectly paced, but obviously one of those Once In A Generation shows. 2017...utter disaster as a showing, what they should have done was a brief 15 minute announcement/trailer reel showing to start it before moving onto the panels.

They should let the indie games shine at their smaller conferences, they don't get the chance otherwise and they're great to watch and it brings a lot more exposure than a video on their channel.
 

famikon

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not sure if it was posted already, "Former artist tells how Naughty Dog functions without middle managers" → https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/14/...aughty-dog-functions-without-middle-managers/



In his talk, he said that "something fascinating about Naughty Dog is that Naughty Dog does not have dedicated managers." There were maybe two production coordinators for a team of 300 people, Maximov said. It makes sense that carrot-and-stick management styles don't work for creative professionals, he said.

The result might be chaos. But Naughty Dog has been around for 33 years and it has shipped 19 games.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...f_a_studio_devoid_of_dedicated_management.php
"Especially, I think that is relevant, in the face in the rising, ridiculous costs of game development. The teams tend to balloon bigger and bigger," he says. "When your team is around 600, 800, 900 people, the amount of structure and reports and corralling of all of that substantially bites into your actual production time. So much work is just managing work. There are more efficient ways to address some of that and hopefully that's is also one of the takeaways."
 

LiquidSolid

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In 2015 Sony did an hour and a half conference, in 2016 an hour conference plus a pre-show of thirty minutes. No game has disappeared and it's perfect like that.

It was ever better this year with the countdown. If they had shown Days Gone during their conference, nobody would have care about it.
Length doesn't prove anything, especially when they dedicated most of their conference this year to only four games. The number of games at each conference would be a better indication of that.

But why are you focusing only on E3 anyway? You're the one suggesting that Sony should drop their European conferences and focus mostly on AAA games at PSX. You seriously think no games would "disappear" with those changes, even though I've already provided an example of a game that "disappeared" when they dropped their proper PSX conference last year?

The first PSX conference was really boring and the worst of this year. I prefer they did anything than a new PSX 2013.
The first PSX (2014, not 2013) was no E3 or Gamescom that year but it was still a great fan-focused show that had some really cool indie games, Japanese games, first party AA games (though Wattam and Edith Finch later went multiplat...), an amazing troll that paid off 6 months later (FFVII), the first UC4 gameplay footage and one big "megaton" (SFV). The only real downer was ending on Drawn to Death, which just wasn't the kind of announcement you end a show on.

Yes, exactly. I don't watch a conference if I know all the line-up and I prefer AAA. But I prefer discovering a new AA title than have a new trailer of Death Stranding (or even worst: 15 minutes of gameplay).

For me, the perfect conference was the conference from Bethesda at E3 2017. It was short, full of reveal (even if these games wasn't unexpected) and all games released in 2017 !

Honestly, I think all conferences from Sony will be boring until the reveal of the PlayStation 5, because we know all major exclusives that will come to PlayStation 4.
We clearly have completely different mentalities when it comes to conferences, so this argument seems kinda pointless. To me, I want at least one or two AA/AAA announcements but otherwise, so long as they're showing something new that interests me, I'm in. A new 10-15 minute Death Stranding trailer would have me at the edge of my seat.

Bethesda's E3 conferences started out pretty good in 2015 but they've gotten worse every year IMO. 2017 was mediocre at best, with the lame theme, first half dedicated to their smaller projects/updates and Evil Within 2 limited to only a CG trailer (even though there was gameplay footage on the show floor). The short length made no sense given how little they showed of some of their games and I don't think they did a good job selling people on them, which is probably one of the reasons why so many of their games performed so poorly last year.

We won't get another E3 2015, E3 2016 or PSX 2016 from Sony until the PS5 but who cares? We should never expect every conference to be a 10/10 like those conferences were. Sony still has more than enough new details to provide on their upcoming games, strong third party support and I'm sure new first party AA/VR games to make up with some good conferences. The problem isn't with the content, it's with the shitty decisions they've been making with their format over the last year and a half.
 

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"Especially, I think that is relevant, in the face in the rising, ridiculous costs of game development. The teams tend to balloon bigger and bigger," he says. "When your team is around 600, 800, 900 people, the amount of structure and reports and corralling of all of that substantially bites into your actual production time. So much work is just managing work. There are more efficient ways to address some of that and hopefully that's is also one of the takeaways."
I think they've just discovered why you have producers.
 

Testobjekt

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So, is Sony about to announce a new game at Gamescom or what?

Koelnmesse announced the nominations for Gamescom Awards, named by a "jury consisting of German and international games journalists, as well as well-known YouTubers and Co."

All pretty expected, even if there are some standout nominations, i.e. Life is Strange 2 as Best Casual Game???

And what's that Project Mephisto nominated for "Best Console Game Sony PlayStation 4"?
 

Testobjekt

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Not necessarily. It might be a third party game, even not exclusive. If you see the other platform awards for Gamescom, there are third party multiplatform games too. And AFAIK, Sony doesn't do announcements at Gamescom as they wait for TGS and PGW, no?

Yeah you're probably right. But still curious about what it could be. Any guesses?
 
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