Your train of thought was confusing on if those listed where unneeded or religion itself was.
The only thing that's unneeded is air space
Spit balling is now an argument?
No one is born with a belief. A belief is put upon you by other human beings who had their belief put upon them by other humans.
Its not a being to me. Its not an image or an embodiment. Its a force. Its life in itself. Its beyond the physical.
I'm arguing, no? Lets see... when we became aware of our own mortality, began to contemplate death and what happens after... maybe a belief in a god or an afterlife is a large part what enabled us to form societies and civilization. Without that belief, its possible that early humans wouldn't have been able to function properly as a society.
Then say instinct? To say belief means you're tilting the conversation one way.If you believe you can walk you will walk if you believe you can jump to the nearest cliff that's a belief I'm not talking about teachings I'm saying instict
Then say instinct? To say belief means you're tilting the conversation one way.
No. Religion or God wasn't a big part in the formation of civilization. Rivers, agriculture, labor, trade, etc. helped form society. People didn't group around a Lord, King, or whoever they felt was in charge because of some diety or religion, it was because they had the land that they worked and ate off of.I'm arguing, no? Lets see... when we became aware of our own mortality, began to contemplate death and what happens after... maybe a belief in a god or an afterlife is a large part what enabled us to form societies and civilization. Without that belief, its possible that early humans wouldn't have been able to function properly as a society.
Sure. And sorry for misunderstanding your post. There was no other way for me to read that.
I still think that you could make a difference between self determination and being self centered. I mean, don't be too hard on yourself.
You can determine the direction of your life while also choosing to be less self centered. I think most people do that anyway as they grow older. Most, certainly not all. I hope most of us here just try to live happy lives without hurting the happy lives of others and help where we can.
Anyway, best of luck in your path to wherever you want to be in a couple of years.
Nope. It's kind of like the difference between getting what you want and deciding you don't want it anymore.
Thats because we already have the means to get by without such beliefs. You could even say its a natural progression.
You're basically throwing out a human 'ERROR' message. We don't know anything, we just came up with names and labels to help us process it all.
Doesnt evidence of worship and religious practices date back as far as any other form of civilization?No. Religion or God wasn't a big part in the formation of civilization. Rivers, agriculture, labor, trade, etc. helped form society. People didn't group around a Lord, King, or whoever they felt was in charge because of some diety or religion, it was because they had the land that they worked and ate off of.
Haha, okay okay.That sounds so dire. LOL I'm not walking out into a sun drenched planet to meet my fate.
I make choices just like everyone else. There is no either or. There are degrees to everything.
If you believe you can walk you will walk if you believe you can jump to the nearest cliff that's a belief I'm not talking about teachings I'm saying instict
.I'd be the first to say Religion is a tool but Spirituality doesn't come from nothing as it has trended throughout all cultures of the world.
I feel like 'rational' is a charged word in these discussions because it betrays the subject matter. Science, Logic, Rationality, these are concepts of the human mind. Their extent of grasp is limited to our current perception and understanding. When talking about a Higher Power, of course such a concept will be inherently part of Incredulity.
You're basically throwing out a human 'ERROR' message. We don't know anything, we just came up with names and labels to help us process it all.
OK? Does that mean it helped create civilization? No.Doesnt evidence of worship and religious practices date back as far as any other form of civilization?
One could argue
You're basically throwing out a human 'ERROR' message. We don't know anything, we just came up with names and labels to help us process it all.
I'm not sure what you're saying here but I also really disagree with the idea that everyone is born with a belief in god. Nobody is born with a belief in anything.
Nope. It's kind of like the difference between getting what you want and deciding you don't want it anymore.
I'm saying even the word belief can be misinterpreted if we are simply just here typing to speak our mind that itself is your own belief to do that...follow?
Argue better? You have zero evidence to support your position, and are so far ignorant of what made the early civilizations grow.
If they have no evidence, sure, I'd agree. But the argument is a fallacy not because people think they've proven it wrong, but because it hasn't been proven correct.
One's inabiilty to understand something doesn't make any and all stances that you can understand more valid/likely to be true in comparison, because if neither of them have evidence in favor of their validity, neither should be accepted until that point.
I'm an atheist, but I don't make the claim that there is no god or gods. I simply reject the claim that there are any until such a time that there is evidence that proves it.
We do know a lot of things, but in relation to what we know we don't know, let alone any unknown unknowns, it's not much.
This doesn't mean that humanity isn't dope and constantly discovering and learning new things, but no reasonable or well read person should be offended at that statement
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16980Argue better? You have zero evidence to support your position, and are so far ignorant of what made the early civilizations grow.
We do know a lot of things, but in relation to what we know we don't know, let alone any unknown unknowns, it's not much.
This doesn't mean that humanity isn't dope and constantly discovering and learning new things, but no reasonable or well read person should be offended at that statement
Can you give the free version?
I'm not offended, but saying "we know nothing, we just came up with names and labels" is a completely false statement.
Various inventions say hello. We know a lot and the knowledge ever increasing.
What is this from?That sounds so dire. LOL I'm not walking out into a sun drenched planet to meet my fate.
I make choices just like everyone else. There is no either or. There are degrees to everything.