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Vex

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,213
I work for a fortune 50 company and it is crazy how I'm noticing they are literally taking over my city. They are everywhere, integrated with everything, and almost everyone works for them at some level in the company. From contractors to the executives. It feels like these big corporations just have their hand in everything. I mean, I'm getting mines, so I'm not complaining but damn. These mega corps just keep expanding and ex-

...Oh GOD... I am apart of the problem now aren't I?

Capitalism was a mistake? (...I dont know where I am going with this post... throw me a bone here ERA)
 

Nivash

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,463
Nah, that's so Generation X dystopian. I'm more of a millennial environmental collapse followed by return to barbarism and general suffering kinda guy. No room for megacorps on The Road ahead.
 

Mivey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,819
How else are we going to make Shadowrun into a reality? Once we have the whole corpocracy and wage slaves locked down, I'm sure the magic and meta-humanity will arrive on their own.
 

Dr. Mario

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,841
Netherlands
But imagine how safe we'll be.

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Meanwhile, a large part of the US is already a slave in the privatized prison-industrial complex.
 

HarryHengst

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,047
Cyberpunk is real, its just the really boring being-a-corporate-drone version, not the cool leather jackets and implants in your head one.
 

TheFireman

Banned
Dec 22, 2017
3,918
Yeah, it's fairly fucked up and a problem I don't see an easy way out of.

Instead of a neon mega city future we get a future where everything is Walmart.
 

TheFireman

Banned
Dec 22, 2017
3,918
If this is something that really concerns you, why not work for a small company?

It won't impact a big company in any significant way, and small companies are often ran by people who act the exact same as if they were a big company. There's some exceptions and some fields where this might not be true, but for the most part, you're just gonna get treated the same.

The only real way out of this problem is massive legislative change.
 

Paz

Member
Nov 1, 2017
2,148
Brisbane, Australia
It does seem inevitable, Some modified form of indentured servitude since most people are in ridiculous debt.

Though it seems idiocracy is more likely than blade runner given the events of the last few years.
 

tommy7154

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,370
Yes, I feel like my kids or their kids could end up literal (or very close to it) slaves if we keep going down this path.

I think the rich are sucking up and hoarding every penny they can to ensure we end up with only the haves and the have nots, and these people are going to be screwed unless something or someone changes it.

I work for a huge company and pretty much everything about it has gone downhill for workers. Pensions are a thing of the past, insurance is shit, less vacation, less sick time etc... it's getting worse basically by the year.
 
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SaviourMK2

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,711
CT
I think a French Revolution or Russian Revolution similar event will occur before that fully happens. Communism (or something similar to communism) IS going to come to the US and it'll be because of Captialism running rampant. Just how soon it happens depends on the citizens. I've been visiting more local shops than corporations and buying more local including Farmers market, local low key super markets, theres a farm down the street from where I live that sells good veggies and honey.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,997
I think a French Revolution or Russian Revolution similar event will occur before that fully happens. Communism (or something similar to communism) IS going to come to the US and it'll be because of Captialism running rampant. Just how soon it happens depends on the citizens.
It just feels like we're passed the point where a scenario like that can happen. The technological gap between the public and the power structure is much too big, I'd imagine.
 

Occam

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Oct 25, 2017
2,510
I think a French Revolution or Russian Revolution similar event will occur before that fully happens. Communism (or something similar to communism) IS going to come to the US and it'll be because of Captialism running rampant.
Hahahha. No.
If you actually believe this, then you haven't been paying attention. First of all, the system is set up in a way to maintain the status quo and make fundamental change virtually impossible. Secondly, you already are a slave of mega corporations. You don't boil a frog by throwing it into boiling water. It's been going into that direction for a long time, slowly but surely. Modern technology has just sped up the process.
 

Thorn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
24,446
Our future will be a Cyberpunk Dystopia without the cool shit.

Also it will be hot as balls.
 

0VERBYTE

Banned
Nov 1, 2017
5,555
Arnt we already there?

How many people around the world is already slave to Apple and Amazon? How many corporations and it's people are slave to MSFT business?
 

Echo

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,482
Mt. Whatever
We're already there.

The basic necessities of human life and medical care are for profit industries.

When the only water left is salted, when the land is reclaimed by earth, when war and human instigated super bugs ravage our populations, maybe humanity can pull it's head of it's ass and work to better ourselves instead of working to line pockets.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
5,728
I think a French Revolution or Russian Revolution similar event will occur before that fully happens. Communism (or something similar to communism) IS going to come to the US and it'll be because of Captialism running rampant. Just how soon it happens depends on the citizens. I've been visiting more local shops than corporations and buying more local including Farmers market, local low key super markets, theres a farm down the street from where I live that sells good veggies and honey.

With the police and military size, even kind of rebellion like that would be squashed. It's probably never have a chance to even happen as organizations like the FBI or CIA would cut down the lead organization or organsiers before they had a chance to build up any real resistance force.

It's over
 

Smitington

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Oct 27, 2017
633
Denver
I've thought this will be the eventually for a while now. Seattle is getting pretty well owned by Amazon, Microsoft and Boeing.

It may be overly optimistic, but I think a future in which we are more or less citizens of a company isn't the worst possible future. Looking historically, it seemed like several Italian Renaissance city-states such as Florence or Piza were pretty much corporations. They had comparatively advanced technology, and waged war with private mercenary armies paid for by trade.

Certainly some downsides as well, but I don't think the idea is completely new.
 

Jimrpg

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Oct 26, 2017
3,280
Guys as a non american on these forums and seeing all the bezos has far too much money comments, you guys realise you dont have to shop at amazon? You dont have any other online competitor? Walmart?

Sure its convienient to shop at amazon, but so is junk food. Sometimes i feel like people become supporters of a brand or a company and endlessly throw their money at one corporation. I mean if it makes the world a better place sure, but if it looks like its going to end up overtaking everyone else and destroying all the competition thats not really a good thing is it?
 

mAcOdIn

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Oct 27, 2017
2,978
With the police and military size, even kind of rebellion like that would be squashed. It's probably never have a chance to even happen as organizations like the FBI or CIA would cut down the lead organization or organsiers before they had a chance to build up any real resistance force.

It's over
This is so silly. The police and military always had more power than the people, why would you even need a revolution if the revolutionaries already had more power than the government?

I don't know that things even need to come to a rebellion to be honest, FDR was going about doing liberal shit to more or less save capitalism, sometimes just the threat of a breakdown is enough to start enacting meaningful change. Of course maybe a rebellion will be necessary. Maybe there won't be a rebellion but a global restructuring of power when more severe side effects of climate change kick in naturally weakening corporations and governments anyways? Who fucking knows? But this idea that this is the only time where the State has held more power than the average citizenry is just wrong.
 
Oct 25, 2017
20,209
We have threads on here all the time about big sales, Prime Day (and hauls), Black Friday, etc.

There's threads about phone leaks and computer leaks.

So you tell me?
 

Arkaign

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Nov 25, 2017
1,991
AI, specifically AGI and the race to ASI, which is becoming more of a state-sponsored race, will probably end with the death of billions.

Not in a Skynet way per se. But think of the entire value of populations for recorded history :

To pay taxes and fight wars. That's all we really are to the power players. Once our labor has no legitimate value, and we are unneeded for defense, we are actually a liability to the elites in charge.

Easy to see how that ends. Mass extermination to allow the chosen few to enjoy the spoils for themselves. Designer virus, huge waves of hundreds of millions of microdrones armed with little rail guns, whatever, once we're not needed, we're history.

ASI is probably the only hope of actually stopping human evil, so hopefully if that is achieved before we are wiped out by the monstrous nature of our leaders, then it can be entrusted with the decisions on how to transition from war and concepts of ownership and class. I'm not optimistic though.

I know this sounds drastic, but Cui Bono. Decisions made by rulers are almost invariably selfish. At the tipping point when it's more useful to them to have less mouths to feed and less potential sources of resistance, I don't think there will even be a serious debate.

There are around 8 billion humans now.

By 2100, perhaps a few thousand.

Or none at all.
 

mAcOdIn

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Oct 27, 2017
2,978
Not even remotely to the level of what we currently see in America.
Does it really matter? It's all relative.

First off, lets just take nukes off the table, they're irrelevant, no American despotic President's going to drop nukes on Los Angeles or whatever to quash a rebellion. It's so outside the realm of possibility it might as well not be considered.

So what now?

The Navy's not going to be doing much unless the French decide to help us out again which would be unlikely. I don't exactly envision a scenario where unleashing the full might of the US military on the civilian population makes sense but unleashing it on a foreign power would have much less consequences domestically. So I don't see anyone officially aiding us in this scenario.

Now we're really left just dealing with the Air Force, Marines and Army. A much fairer fight, though still technically one sided. I don't really see the US military's SOP for insurgencies working here on our own soil. You're not likely to see a return of carpet bombing like the Vietnamese war unless everyone decides to gather in some desolate forest or some shit. The idea of some American insurgents running into the Empire State Building or something just to get a laser guided bomb dropped on them is ludicrous. I mean, it could happen but how long could a regime like that stay in power here, really? So we're not likely to hold any cities outright or field any armor but whatever, if the people were dedicated they wouldn't need them.

So then the main threat will come from the Army and the Marines and boy would that be messy. We don't exactly have a Northern Alliance or any tribes we can ally with so they'd have to quash this rebellion with their own hands. I'm not saying this couldn't happen I just don't think it could be sustained. Think about what a war like this would devolve into. For the most part a good portion of our military men and women live among us. Their kids go to school with your kids. They get their hair cut in the same places you do. Go to movies the same places you do. You'd have servicemen and women getting killed in town, places they frequent getting bombed, kids spitting on their kids at school for actions their parents or others in uniform are committing in the country. Only a matter of time until they themselves break or all servicemen, women and their families have to live on base when not on deployment due to not being able to be out in public anymore. Either of those have severe consequences, bases don't have the resources to house and school all their personnel and families and even if they built them what a mental toll that must be to not be able to walk around in your own country. Or maybe they'd have to start deploying soldiers from overseas whose families would be safer in Korea, Italy or Germany than the units stationed here at home. But it'd be a fucking shit show that's for sure.

But they're not safe on base either. Many bases are large sprawling bases next to somewhat large civilian communities. Security's based on the idea that you're somewhat safe in your own country so it's not like there's fucking roving APCs and tanks everywhere. Having to actually actively defend large bases like Fort Benning and the like would be a drain on resources.

In the end I can't really say specifically what'd happen or how vulnerable troops would be until we saw how they decided to fight it. If they decided to fight it 100% and essentially deployed everyone base security's kinda less important if all the units are out in the country oppressing people, doing martial law or blowing up cities, whatever they're doing in this scenario. But depending on how paranoid or business as usual they try and play it they'd be varying levels of vulnerable from base to their final deployment. In the towns and cities they'd be walking ducks for insurgents to pick off and their families would be fair game. Many of their supplies and equipment might be transported via rail which would leave them vulnerable to theft or sabotage. And any mistakes would likely just add fuel to the fire. Not like Americans particularly like civilian casualties even if they do tolerate them overseas but blowing up American homes and businesses to get a few terrorists or revolutionaries is going to turn people against you pretty quick. We don't exactly have a good track record of winning those types of battles either but perhaps this hypothetical despot would fight harder since it's his/her own power on the line here.

But then, what exactly has happened to our government? Are they playing it cool or is it a blatant military take over? Because if they're trying to present themselves as the real continuation of the US government while simultaneously bombing civilians and revolutionaries alike in our own cities they'd kinda have to keep up the pretense a little, right? So now you also have to think about securing all our politicians and our President. He's only really safe in the White House now because you're worrying about a lone wolf or two trying to kill the President not a fucking insurgency. The Secret Service couldn't hold out if a tenth of Washington DC decided they were going to try and kill the President. So is this despot President and all government officials going to hide in a bunker the whole time? If so, I have a hard time imagining that going over well with the American people too and that just adding to the fire if all of a sudden government just up and goes into hiding, no longer doing town halls, no facing the voters, no Press Secretary answering questions, yikes. I assume this despot would also want to extend their term, right? I mean, surely killing a ton of Americans would open you up to reprisal once you left office, I'm sure that'd go swimmingly.

I just can't actually see a way a revolution doesn't work in this country provided it's a proper revolution that a large part of the population agrees with.

Edit: Put simply I feel like if the US actually needed to use its' military's might it's already lost and if your revolution doesn't warrant a military response you've already lost.
 
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zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
Wasn't there a time in recent history where people lived in what were practically corporation owned towns? Like even the education was paid by the corporation. We're not quite there anymore.
 

thetrin

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,631
Atlanta, GA
It won't impact a big company in any significant way, and small companies are often ran by people who act the exact same as if they were a big company. There's some exceptions and some fields where this might not be true, but for the most part, you're just gonna get treated the same.

The only real way out of this problem is massive legislative change.
I don't disagree, but if youre worried that you're part of the problem, working in a small company is a good first step.
 

Polioliolio

Member
Nov 6, 2017
5,396
Yeah, we are definitely in an era of corporate control. If you go back just a generation, this shit barely exists. Corporations are barely a thing. Today, they are like massive organisms that eat and control everything. It's fascinating and what's amazing is that no one is talking abou it. There's no talk that this could be a bad thing or even recognition that it's happening.