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Greigor the FellHand · Aug 12, 2018

christocolus said:
Phil Spencer and Shawn Layden at an event for GirlsMakeGames in San Mateo

https://www.resetera.com/posts/11309788/

Don't know about any verification but he has given us some info in the past which turned out to be spot on , most recently the PG games acquisition.

awesome, didn't phil use to work for sony?

JINX · Aug 12, 2018

Greigor the FellHand said:
awesome, didn't phil use to work for sony?

Nope, 30 year MS veteran.

VinFTW · Aug 12, 2018

Waiting for Obsidian to be confirmed so Klobrille can leak the rest like:

JINX · Aug 12, 2018

VinFTW said:
Waiting for Obsidian to be confirmed so Klobrille can leak the rest like:

So thirsty you dried up lol

RPGamer92 · Aug 12, 2018

VinFTW said:
Waiting for Obsidian to be confirmed so Klobrille can leak the rest like:

Who else has Klobrille teased?

VinFTW · Aug 12, 2018

JINX said:
So thirsty you dried up lol

LMAO

Indeed my friend, indeed

I'll say though, I have a strong feeling another one of them is Certain Affinity

vorimenn · Aug 12, 2018

christocolus said:
Phil Spencer and Shawn Layden at an event for GirlsMakeGames in San Mateo

I really wonder how their talks looks like in non-official, friendly situations. What are they talking about, what are they opinions, etc., etc. ^^

UraMallas · Aug 12, 2018

RPGamer92 said:
Who else has Klobrille teased?

Playground. However, I'm not entirely sure where he gets his studio info from. Initially, he had access to some API stuff where he'd piece things together and figure out what games were being worked on. His first leak was pretty much 100% accurate and his second leak this year has a lot of industry smoke.

As for the studio stuff he seems to have access to, I have no idea how he is getting it. I doubt he is talking.

SuikerBrood · Aug 12, 2018

Mixer will be at Gamescom too. As expected.

THEVOID · Aug 12, 2018

sweet

NimbusCub · Aug 12, 2018

UraMallas said:
Playground. However, I'm not entirely sure where he gets his studio info from. Initially, he had access to some API stuff where he'd piece things together and figure out what games were being worked on. His first leak was pretty much 100% accurate and his second leak this year has a lot of industry smoke.

As for the studio stuff he seems to have access to, I have no idea how he is getting it. I doubt he is talking.

I think he had access to some additional database information along with the APIs.

Rychu · Aug 12, 2018

RPGamer92 said:
Who else has Klobrille teased?

We don't know. He said he may have other studio information but he needs to confirm if he's right about Obsidian first.

IIRC, he said that if he gets confirmation on Obsidian he will give the news as an exclusive to Rand al Thor's podcast or something like that.

Rychu · Aug 12, 2018

NimbusCub said:
I think he had access to some additional database information along with the APIs.

But Klobrille also said before Crackdown 3 was delayed that it might not make 2018 and that Phil Spencer wants it to be as good as it can be, stand alongside Gears, Forza and Halo.

APIs and databases can't tell you all of that. In April, Klobrille said there was a letter of intent for Playground (similar to how he's now saying there's an LOI for Obsidian). API can't tell you that either.

UraMallas · Aug 12, 2018

I think he's piecing together these acquisition things from SOMETHING because he said that if Obsidian turns out true he'd 'have a better idea of what he was looking at'. So, it still sounds like he's digging... in something. I dunno.

Alandring · Aug 12, 2018

Chris. said:
But I always admired that about Nintendo they only really have one game a generation sometimes 2. Forza horizon, Motorsport, halo, gears etc should all be a one, maybe two a generation thing aswell. In a time period where games are continuously updated anyways I'm hoping this is the route MS goes down next generation. Then the studios can work on something new each generation aswell.

I don't know. I totally agree for Forza because the IP is perfect for a GAS. But even if Gears and Halo have a multiplayer part, it would be sad to have only one single player campaign by generation.

I know, Microsoft can make single player expansions, but an expansion is never as long as a full game.

Morgoth Bauglir · Aug 12, 2018

UraMallas said:
I think he's piecing together these acquisition things from SOMETHING because he said that if Obsidian turns out true he'd 'have a better idea of what he was looking at'. So, it still sounds like he's digging... in something. I dunno.

Maybe he's not practical of U.S. law? If I remember he said that he's German so it could make sense. Another interesting part is that he said that he found only guys from Obsidian signing it

UraMallas · Aug 12, 2018

Morgoth Bauglir said:
Maybe he's not practical of U.S. law? If I remember he said that he's German so it could make sense. Another interesting part is that he said that he found only guys from Obsidian signing it

Could be something like that.

Half of the fun I get from this thread is trying to figure out what Klobrille is saying and where he gets his info.

WhoCaresLtsPlay · Aug 12, 2018

Ge0force said:
Agreed. But if a significant part of PC gamers refuses to use the Windows Store, it's very likely that this hurts game sales as well.

Is it that they refuse or that they prefer to use Steam though?
And if there's a subset of that group of people that prefer not to use it that really refuses (as in no, never) is it that great a proportion?
I'm not sure about that
I think it has more to do with convenience.
They won't bother using MS store because Steam is way more convenient, so if a game is on Steam is way easier to set it up and start playing than MS store
If I want to buy a game exclusive to PC or that I plan on playing only on PC of course I'd choose Steam.
But I have no problem using MS store for Play Anywhere titles that I already own on Xbox
Or if there's a game I'm interested in that's MS store exclusive (thinking probably Gears Tactics will be)
Also there's many people that don't know about Steam (yes, even if years of videogame sites and forums have told us otherwise, there's plenty of people that don't know it (let's simplify and call them casuals))
Those people if they want to play a game and there's a game store that comes with Windows it's the storefront they'll use.
And if they come up with a game that really interest people, even if MS store exclusive, people will make what they need to do to play it.
I may not like Blizzard launcher but if I want to play WoW, Hearthstone, Diablo, Starcraft or Heroes of the Storm I'll use it, because there's no other way around it

Chris. · Aug 12, 2018

Alandring said:
I don't know. I totally agree for Forza because the IP is perfect for a GAS. But even if Gears and Halo have a multiplayer part, it would be sad to have only one single player campaign by generation.

I know, Microsoft can make single player expansions, but an expansion is never as long as a full game.

Those games would be the 2 a gen (which halo pretty much is this gen and I feel is perfect, but that seems to be down to a new engine etc rather than intentional) but I get your concerns about expansions not being as big. Tho since there would be less mainline games it means they can work on a new IP or spinoff game to build bridges between the gap.

Expansions usually aren't as long cause they don't get as much Dev time too as they need to move onto the next sequel and drop the current game. If they did this they could switch to yearly expansions instead of 6 months so they should be longer / better .

But I understand your points. Just makes sense to me with game pass and gaas. And as I said it's one of the few things Nintendo does better than both Sony and MS. Generally you get 1 mario kart, 1 3d &2d mario, 1 3d&2d Zelda etc. And the games keep selling all generation and keep a healthy population because of it.

The one downside is if the game turns out a disappointment/bad its gonna suck, Nintendo has the advantage in that it's pretty damn hard to make a bad mario, Zelda or Pokémon. But I guess gaas could potentially fix that.

Alandring · Aug 13, 2018

Chris. said:
Those games would be the 2 a gen (which halo pretty much is this gen and I feel is perfect, but that seems to be down to a new engine etc rather than intentional) but I get your concerns about expansions not being as big. Tho since there would be less mainline games it means they can work on a new IP or spinoff game to build bridges between the gap.

Yes, I think they can make only one game by generation, but release some single player stand alone (for 30/40$) between the main games.

Chris. said:
But I understand your points. Just makes sense to me with game pass and gaas. And as I said it's one of the few things Nintendo does better than both Sony and MS. Generally you get 1 mario kart, 1 3d &2d mario, 1 3d&2d Zelda etc. And the games keep selling all generation and keep a healthy population because of it.

It's not really true. For example, Nintendo released 2 Zelda and 2 Mario Party on Wii, 3 Fire Emblem, 3 Pokémon and 5 Kirby on 3DS.

They release only one Smash/Mario Kart by generation because these games are multiplayer; you can't finish them. But for a single player (like Fire Emblem), it's not a problem to release multiple games by generation.

Ge0force · Aug 13, 2018

WhoCaresLtsPlay said:
Is it that they refuse or that they prefer to use Steam though?
And if there's a subset of that group of people that prefer not to use it that really refuses (as in no, never) is it that great a proportion?
I'm not sure about that
I think it has more to do with convenience.
They won't bother using MS store because Steam is way more convenient, so if a game is on Steam is way easier to set it up and start playing than MS store
If I want to buy a game exclusive to PC or that I plan on playing only on PC of course I'd choose Steam.
But I have no problem using MS store for Play Anywhere titles that I already own on Xbox
Or if there's a game I'm interested in that's MS store exclusive (thinking probably Gears Tactics will be)
Also there's many people that don't know about Steam (yes, even if years of videogame sites and forums have told us otherwise, there's plenty of people that don't know it (let's simplify and call them casuals))
Those people if they want to play a game and there's a game store that comes with Windows it's the storefront they'll use.
And if they come up with a game that really interest people, even if MS store exclusive, people will make what they need to do to play it.
I may not like Blizzard launcher but if I want to play WoW, Hearthstone, Diablo, Starcraft or Heroes of the Storm I'll use it, because there's no other way around it

As you could see in the PC gamer article + comments I linked in my previous post, many PC gamers (and even most of the editors of PC gamer) straight up refuse to use the Windows Store for many reasons(but that's off-topic here). Also on this forum, the "what game launchers are you using" topic showed that the majority of PC gamers here don't use it, despite the fact that many of them have no problem using other clients like GoG or Battle.net.

Of course it makes sense that Xbox owners are more likely to use it, because of play anywhere, Xbox features and the console-like experience.

Personally, I'm still waiting for Phil to fix it/opening it up before using it. It seems he's working on it, but we'll have to see what the result is. Plenty of other great games to play in the meanwhile and I can borrow a friends Xbox to play Forza Horizon. :)

christocolus · Aug 13, 2018

FH4 will be huge. I can see it being the biggest game on the windows store too. That game will bring many users to the platform ..... Gears 5, Halo Infinite and future exclusives will only drive the numbers up :)

Klobrille · Aug 13, 2018

christocolus said:
FH4 will be huge. I can see it being the biggest game on the windows store too. That game will bring many users to the platform ..... Gears 5, Halo Infinite and future exclusives will only drive the numbers up :)

Yea, FH4 will be massive. MS can concentrate on that title and focus the marketing on this game, too, as it's their only first-party output they have left this year to market. Easily a 10 Million players game by the end of 2019.

yellow wallpaper · Aug 13, 2018

Ge0force said:
As you could see in the PC gamer article + comments I linked in my previous post, many PC gamers (and even most of the editors of PC gamer) straight up refuse to use the Windows Store for many reasons(but that's off-topic here). Also on this forum, the "what game launchers are you using" topic showed that the majority of PC gamers here don't use it, despite the fact that many of them have no problem using other clients like GoG or Battle.net.

Of course it makes sense that Xbox owners are more likely to use it, because of play anywhere, Xbox features and the console-like experience.

Personally, I'm still waiting for Phil to fix it/opening it up before using it. It seems he's working on it, but we'll have to see what the result is. Plenty of other great games to play in the meanwhile and I can borrow a friends Xbox to play Forza Horizon. :)

do you believe if ms released their games on steam that they would do better? lol. I have to emphasize the lol.

Theorry · Aug 13, 2018

yellow wallpaper said:
do you believe if ms released their games on steam that they would do better? lol. I have to emphasize the lol.

Nothing weird about that imo.

yellow wallpaper · Aug 13, 2018

Theorry said:
Nothing weird about that imo.

half their games are on steam. how are they selling? is it a huge gap? I have a feeling the gap is so small that ms is done with steam.

Theorry · Aug 13, 2018

yellow wallpaper said:
half their games are on steam. how are they selling? is it a huge gap? I have a feeling the gap is so small that ms is done with steam.

A couple are on Steam and they came on late also or are older games. If Gears 4, Forza 7, Horizon 3 released on Steam day one they would have sold alot and way better then on the W10 store. That is not crazy at all.
The store is just not accepted at this point and i can see why. But MS is focused to release their games on their own storefront wich is fine and their right. But they need to improve it. Spencer said they will and they need to make it more "native"

Ge0force · Aug 13, 2018

yellow wallpaper said:
do you believe if ms released their games on steam that they would do better? lol. I have to emphasize the lol.

Yes, I'm convinced they would do (much) better on Steam or any other competent ecosystem like GoG. That's a logical conclusion if a significant part of the PC community refuses to use the only store these games are released in.

But I am aware that locking more people into the Xbox Live ecosystem is more important for Microsoft than selling more copies of a certain game of course.

SuikerBrood · Aug 13, 2018

yellow wallpaper said:
do you believe if ms released their games on steam that they would do better? lol. I have to emphasize the lol.

Yes. But let us not go offtopic.

yellow wallpaper · Aug 13, 2018

Theorry said:
A couple are on Steam and they came on late also or are older games. If Gears 4, Forza 7, Horizon 3 released on Steam day one they would have sold alot and way better then on the W10 store. That is not crazy at all.
The store is just not accepted at this point and i can see why. But MS is focused to release their games on their own storefront wich is fine and their right. But they need to improve it. Spencer said they will and they need to make it more "native"

I agree with everything you said.

yellow wallpaper · Aug 13, 2018

Ge0force said:
Yes, I'm convinced they would do (much) better on Steam or any other competent ecosystem like GoG. That's a logical conclusion if a significant part of the PC community refuses to use the only store these games are released in.

But I am aware that locking more people into the Xbox Live ecosystem is more important for Microsoft than selling more copies of a certain game of course.

how is killer instinct, ryse,d4,quantum break, dead rising 3 doing?
edit halo wars

Chris. · Aug 13, 2018

Alandring said:
Yes, I think they can make only one game by generation, but release some single player stand alone (for 30/40$) between the main games.

It's not really true. For example, Nintendo released 2 Zelda and 2 Mario Party on Wii, 3 Fire Emblem, 3 Pokémon and 5 Kirby on 3DS.

They release only one Smash/Mario Kart by generation because these games are multiplayer; you can't finish them. But for a single player (like Fire Emblem), it's not a problem to release multiple games by generation.

Yup the single player games should defo get more than one release wether that's through explanations or a second game but I feel like 2 is the perfect amount and the maximum.

I did say generally :P I know it's not always the case , galaxy 1/2 wii, oot/mm n64, Pokémon etc, But generally it holds true for their big franchises at least.

Wii U only had botw, 3d world, mk8, smash, Splatoon, mario maker etc

3ds only had albw, Mk7, smash, 3d land, etc.

Talking about new games only. Remasters / remakes are just filler in-between main releases and as I wouldn't really count them for xb1 I don't count them for Nintendo either

Saying that however switch will probably get 2 of everything and make me look dumb :P which I think that's given sinces all their big hitters released so early into the cycle

Rare is working on a new game alongside sea of thieves updates right? So I think this is the route ms is going anyways they just doing it on a franchise by franchise basis (halo first, and apparently Forza 8 isn't in development so that's second, next up I'm assuming will be Forza horizon and lastly gears)

Deleted member 46641 · Aug 13, 2018

Any concrete info on an Ori and the Will of the Wisps date?

Ge0force · Aug 13, 2018

yellow wallpaper said:
how is killer instinct, ryse,d4,quantum break, dead rising 3 doing?
edit halo wars

Dead Rising 3 and Quantum Break sold near 1 million copies on Steam, despite being Windows Store exclusive for months. But really, this isn't the thread to discuss this. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss this any further.

Morgoth Bauglir · Aug 13, 2018

Klobrille said:
Yea, FH4 will be massive. MS can concentrate on that title and focus the marketing on this game, too, as it's their only first-party output they have left this year to market. Easily a 10 Million players game by the end of 2019.

Fh4 would pass easily the 5 million of SoT in one month Imho it will reach the 10 mln of users intge first half of 2019. Fh4 will boost the game pass hugely, allowing risky games like cd3 to breath.
Gears 5 will be even stronger.

Chris. · Aug 13, 2018

Fh3 already did monsterous numbers without game pass, fh4 is gonna be downright ridiculous. Agree with 10m first half of 2019

vorimenn · Aug 13, 2018

Masozi said:
Any concrete info on an Ori and the Will of the Wisps date?

I bet Q1'19. Maybe March as well, like it was with Ori and the Blind Forest.

Then in May or June we could expect Battletoads. And finishing year with Gears 5 in October or November. Without Forza Motorsport this time and we know why.

Of course, don't forget about hapless Crackdown 3 on 22 February.

Good line-up. More than this year where we have "only" 3 games.

Golvellius · Aug 13, 2018

christocolus said:
FH4 will be huge. I can see it being the biggest game on the windows store too. That game will bring many users to the platform ..... Gears 5, Halo Infinite and future exclusives will only drive the numbers up :)

Yes.
It will push both PC Microsoft Store sales and Game Pass subscriber numbers through the roof.

Klobrille · Aug 13, 2018

I wanna read some Gamescom expectations.

SuikerBrood · Aug 13, 2018

I hope they'll surprise us. But I think we are all going to be disappointed.

Steverulez · Aug 13, 2018

Klobrille said:
I wanna read some Gamescom expectations.

They're only doing an Inside Xbox so not expecting anything really. A BC update, more on FH4, maybe Crackdown 3? It's a good place to show pc stuff but I don't think AOE4 will be there, maybe Gears Tactics might get a bit more info.

All that seems a bit much though for me

JINX · Aug 13, 2018

Klobrille said:
I wanna read some Gamescom expectations.

A slightly above average Inside Xbox episode.

Dyashen · Aug 13, 2018

While on the subject of Crackdown 3, what exactly happened to Crackdown 2 for it to be so "infamous" or just called the worst entry in the series?

peepers · Aug 13, 2018

Klobrille said:
I wanna read some Gamescom expectations.

Realistic: new BC enhanced drop, Sea of Thieves interview+content, AoE trailer/update, Gamepass addition

Hope: Crackdown wrecking zone extended footage, Ori release date, mouse and keyboard (full) support

Want but very doubtful: Gears Tactics details + Xbox port, Battletoads proper trailer, 1 more studio acquired

christocolus · Aug 13, 2018

Eurogamer made an article about the new hires. The comment section is fun to read. some guy throwing tantrums saying MS built their studio in Santa Monica for the sole purpose of poaching Sony talent. Lmao xD...

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...studio-rockstar-and-crystal-dynamics#comments

Theorry · Aug 13, 2018

christocolus said:
Eurogamer made an article about the new hires. The comment section is fun to read. some guy throwing tantrums saying MS built their studio in Santa Monica for the sole purpose of poaching Sony talent. Lmao xD...

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...studio-rockstar-and-crystal-dynamics#comments

He what is this haha.

Just going to wade in here...

I get poaching talent will always be a thing.. But it would be nice if MS focused a little more on nurturing young developer talent and creating an effective studio themselves, rather than cherry picking. As it is, MS just go around butchering teams and ripping out their souls. It just seems lazy

Deleted member 19924 · Aug 13, 2018

In what order are we expecting the Gears titles to release?

I think it'll be Gears Pop! towards the end of this year, Gears Tactics in March 2019 and Gears 5 in November 2019.

Dyashen · Aug 13, 2018

Klobrille said:
I wanna read some Gamescom expectations.

Sea of Thieves update, Game Pass, ori gameplay that's either from E3 or hopefully a never before seen area, Forza Horizon 4 and most likely some ID@Xbox games. A Gears segment with Tactics and Pop.

I don't expect Crackdown to be there, i'm sure they want to show it when it's the best time to be shown. I'd expect a huge info drop during November/December.

Theorry · Aug 13, 2018

Slicer Dyster said:
Sea of Thieves update, Game Pass, ori gameplay that's either from E3 or hopefully a never before seen area, Forza Horizon 4 and most likely some ID@Xbox games. A Gears segment with Tactics and Pop.

I don't expect Crackdown to be there, i'm sure they want to show it when it's the best time to be shown. I'd expect a huge info drop during November/December.

This seems most realistic. Maybe some enhanced BC news and maybe a look at future system update stuff.

christocolus · Aug 13, 2018

Theorry said:
He what is this haha.

Lmao xD..... There's a lot more to see in there.

SuperShinobi 18 hours ago

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that The Initiative was set up right next door to those famous studios as a means for MS to poach their talent. The Initiative = to drain talent away from other studios. Remember that Naughty Dog is located in Santa Monica as well, so that'll be a high-priority target. MS can outbid Sony and offer their employees higher salaries. No need even for the family to move or the kids to change schools, because the new MS studio is right in the same neighbourhood. MS can't buy a Sony studio, but they can slowly drain the talent pool dry.

That's some macchiavellian tactics and it's unfortunate that MS is again playing the zero-sum game. Instead of creating something truly new that would add and contribute to the overall industry, they try to get ahead by taking something away from their competitors.

Lmao ............. xD. The guy has completely lost it. The more comments he posts the weider they get. Lol. Some guy even had to respond with this.

dani_i89 7 hours ago

@SuperShinobi That's business. Sony's developers aren't beings that were destined to create games for Sony, born on some mountain and delivered by Yoshida himself. This likely happens more often than you realize, you just don't hear about it.

That comment section made my day. So hilarious. Hahahaha

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