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Nintendo's ridiculous war on ROMs threatens gaming history- PC World
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Then those Rom sites should just provide those nich3 title rather than profiting by putting all the popular readily available title which will trigger big companies.
The problem is never about preservation. It is this piracy sites first and foremost objective is to profit off other property which is why they are shutdown.
Now map those values to life expectancy of the time period.
Pretty much. I am bit on the fence on this, because after all Nintendo owns the IPs, but seriously, GC games like Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart Double Dash, Eternal Darkness, many other GBA/GBC games... Those haven't been re-released and they are like ~15 years old or more. It's simply their fault that they haven't made those games available to the public one way or the other. The Wii Virtual Console was a great start, but then you move to the Wii U and you start releasing games again from zero. And now to the Switch and we don't even know what the solution will be. WTF. If VC had carried on growing as a service independent of platform it would have been great, you buy the Switch and you have access to a huge back-catalogue of Nintendo games. They really need to find a better solution, though I guess selling Super Mario World "n" times for "n" platforms is a very appealing proposition.
I love Nintendo and owned every console from NES to Wii, so there's that. But god damn I'm sure glad I didn't spend money on digital games of old.
My shiny switch can't play that shit? K.
Pure definition of entitlement of other people hard work. When it comes to art and literature, if the author doesn't want to share his work, or wants his work to be destroyed and forgotten, so be it. "Public domain" should only be valid when the author or legitimate right holders explicitly donate the rights to their work to the public.
The way Disney keeps greasing congress and extending copyright I wouldn't hold my breath. SMB1 really should be public domain in a few years but the way things are now it most likely won't be in my lifetime.
I do think 14 years now a Days is completely ridiculous. Copyright law had to change with the way the world did.
First copyright law was enacted over a century before movies as a medium even existed, about two centuries from video games and the internet.
Made to protect media made by a sole author when a lot of products since are group efforts.
I do think maybe Disney takes it too far, but maybe life of the author+a couple years with caveats added like "must be available for purchase/use" or something
Now now, we're talking about timing here, had Nintendo supported their library by means of a service since the Wii era, we wouldn't be in an ankward situation regarding the service, that i agree with, but the fact of the matter is that they are starting to apply the Apple/Spotify service now, it may be too late for people like you to keep your "Loyality", but that discussion is irrelevant when talking about the Legitimacy of using ROMs for preservation. Besides, your Wii, Wii U or NES are yours, it is up to you to keep those systems alive and working, they did not put a time bomb or have any sort of programmed obsolescence (that i know of) that take the system or games away for you, do you also want to complain about the fact that your Atari 2600 stopped working?
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I've used emulation for ages, so hearing about emuparadise removing all ROMS is very saddening. I was able to play many classic SNES games using things like ZSNES, SNES 9X and BSNES over the years. Those communities should be applauded for the work they've done in preserving those games over the years.
Sorry but the author of the article is flat out wrong. Just because they want it doesn't mean they have the right to it. Why doesnt the op just post the entire article in the op, I mean I don't want to have to go to some website to read it. It's not like that would harm anyone...
Nintendo is the only one actually doing anything with their old games on the regular. They aren't suing people for having ROMs of non-Nintendo consoles, so just remove the Nintendo related stuff and everyone will be happy?
Emuparadise had already done that, but it seems like they kept threatening them.
You can play GameCube games with a different controller.
Yeah I guess it's unfortunate if the site is already established and they're taking action for past infringements.
A new site could start up with no Ninty content and potentially have no issues.
Say, Nintendo is a 100 years + company.
If nintendo is around in another 100 years, should they still have the right to sell Mario Bros?
If nintendo is around in another 100 years, should they still have the right to sell Mario Bros?
Not all of them would function properly since afaik Nintendo hasn't released a controller with analog triggers since the GC.
The only drama I see right now is the hyperbole. It's for the "society" is a poor excuse for what basically is comparable to theft.
I honestly think 14 years is fine. The only reason it seems crazy now is because we're so used to companies reusing the same IPs over and over for generations. There's nothing inherent to movies or video games that justifies keeping them out of the public domain longer than books or music. If anything, the internet makes the public domain even more important because of how it increases the visibility of individual creators who may not be attached to a large corporate entity. See fan created art, mods, remakes, etc. for examples.
Perhaps these sites should not host Nintendo games then. That would limit their ad revenue and traffic but when it's all about preserving sacrifices can be made!
Isnt their recently also add some nintendo first party title too?
User Banned (3 Days): Advocating Piracy
Idk, I remember going there to download Kirby Super Star Ultra and it wasn't there
I'm not seeing the connection between these games must be preserved and I need to be able to download any old game I want. Why must people interested in preserving games make them available to pirates?
I always thought it would be amazing if Nintendo themselves sold VC titles on PC, or made a service like Xbox Games pass, across PC and mobile.
- it is in no way different than selling Super Mario Run on iPhone for 10$. really great advertising for people who maybe interested to try their titles but don't want to risk the investment.
- it won't affect their sales at all, people buy new systems to play new games, and this has been proven many times, just compare Switch with Wii U.
- it will make them money, maybe a lot of money.
but they will never do that I guess.
- it is in no way different than selling Super Mario Run on iPhone for 10$. really great advertising for people who maybe interested to try their titles but don't want to risk the investment.
- it won't affect their sales at all, people buy new systems to play new games, and this has been proven many times, just compare Switch with Wii U.
- it will make them money, maybe a lot of money.
but they will never do that I guess.
Preservation is useless if it's not available for people to play.
Art and culture should be appreciated.
What are you pissed about exactly?
Someone is making money off of their property. That's what starts these lawsuits. I doubt that any of the ROM sites are sending any money to the people who created or own those properties.
I have zero problem with people emulating ROMs of older games and I 100% wish their was an easier way to get them. These sites definitely solved that problem and gave people a virus free way of getting the games but a lot of companies defend their IP. Especially when someone else is profitting from them.
Not sure why the sites didn't just remove Nintendo only games and see if the other IP holders cared if they were hosting their games.
That is the argument is what I call bullshit.
This happened because the owner studio or these consumer that own a licensed copy didn't proper save or didn't want to save the media.
It is ridiculous to defense anybody that never had any licensed copy sharing with others non-licensed copies.
That is piracy... that is not preservation.
Stop to shield behind the "preservation" to make your bad actions looks like something good... you are doing nothing good for the humanity.
Do you stopped to think if the owner of the movie/game wanted these guys to decide what to do with their creation without their consent?
It is like you think Robin Wood was a hero doing bad things in name of justice lol
Wut?
That didn't even related each other.
You can have preservation without sharing.
You can have sharing without preservation.
But sharing copies of something you don't have the rights is crime and called piracy.
I'd say it's more a severe issue with copyright law these days (and patents, and trademarks, etc etc). It cripples creativity, innovation, expression, preservation of history, and what have you. It is capitalism laying on its own tail, cutting its own blood flow off until it turns gangrene. It is greed, stupidity, and fear.
Just like how Donald Trump is president. It's all very fair and legal, right?
Just like how Donald Trump is president. It's all very fair and legal, right?
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The first game should eventually enter public domain, imo. It's kinda like the happy birthday song of videogames
I agree with article. And you. Roms ain't going bye-bye ever.
Ikr it's completely wild. I want all video games available to people forever. Cartridges and discs will die. A lot of games will never be released again.
Have you stopped to think that maybe that doesn't matter as much as you think it does? If the owner of a piece of culture decided that it should no longer be sold and tries to prevent anyone from ever releasing it again, is that a net positive for society? Laws that exist to protect certain rights, should not be taken to mean natural entitlement to those rights without any context. Creators of content only enjoy the benefit of being able to protect their content from being copied because most societies agree that it is right to allow a creator to have some sort of exclusive right to earn money from their creation to encourage more creation of content.
What's the point of preserving games that no one can play?
So now it's a video games are art discussion? I don't think video games are art, they are toys. I don't think everyone should have a right to play with old toys simply because they exist.
If Nintendo doesn't want people playing their games for free then people shouldn't be able to play them for free.
Commercial art is art, don't bring some dumb "What Is ~True~ Art" shit into this. It is an important distinction for the purposes of copyright as well. There is a difference between copyright law with toys and copyright law with software, so knock it off.
What do you think is culture or art?
Why you should share with everybody the hard work of the people involved in a game, music, movie, etc?
Why share without consent a game/movie/music/etc is "good" but share your car with anybody without your consent is "bad"?
That hypocrisy.
What the problem if somebody created something for own use only or to only sell to others the right for personal use?
In what world you are the God to say he should allow anybody to share his work with anybody else?
Physical theft is property law, separate from copyright law.
Copyright only came into existence to be a temporary protection so that an idea couldn't be immediately stolen. The original duration was 14 years. It was always expected that a creator would return their work to the public domain for the betterment of society. You want to participate in the arts? You have to give back, so it can be adapted, modified, remixed, interpreted. That is how humanity and the arts have worked for millenia.
That's not how copyright works. We don't live in a libertarian shithole. Once your copyright expires, it's in the public domain no matter what. Despite how Disney wants to keep copyright law extended forever, copyright is not permanent.
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Kind of a weird analogy no? I do not like Trump either but he did win a democratic election so yeah him being President is fair and legal even with the flawed election system the U.S. has.