Yeah....so gamers are straight up trash. And yeah the internet in general too.
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Polygon: Tyler "Ninja" Blevins explains why he doesn't stream with women
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Yeah....so gamers are straight up trash. And yeah the internet in general too.
User banned (1 week): downplaying sexism
Alaways fun to make it into a thread you know will be locked up by mods pretty soon due to the madness people post on both sides of the fence.
For what it's worth my 2 pennies are let him do him. People in positions of power get taken advantage of in various ways . Him not streaming with females so that it cannot be leveraged against him , his wife , and his brand is pure business and not sexist in my opinion. The guy didn't get to this position by being everything for everyone . He made the right moves and allegiances . By no means is he some grand example of what I think a giant streamer celebrity should be like when out on this big of a pedestal but I do understand his decision making .
The dumb thing here is to come out and answer this question. I would've dodge it with PR talk lol so props to him to be honest and upfront but man this went viral faaaaast.
For what it's worth my 2 pennies are let him do him. People in positions of power get taken advantage of in various ways . Him not streaming with females so that it cannot be leveraged against him , his wife , and his brand is pure business and not sexist in my opinion. The guy didn't get to this position by being everything for everyone . He made the right moves and allegiances . By no means is he some grand example of what I think a giant streamer celebrity should be like when out on this big of a pedestal but I do understand his decision making .
The dumb thing here is to come out and answer this question. I would've dodge it with PR talk lol so props to him to be honest and upfront but man this went viral faaaaast.
The quotes in the OP has him saying people seeing him be friendly with women on stream leads to them creating clickbait videos suggesting that he's cheating on his wife with them. That's toxicity if they can't handle even the most benign interactions between a guy and a woman without trying to insinuate that something must be going on.
Seemed like that happened in class, not in "private". Unless you meant a classroom itself with 20-30 kids is private?
That is Dr DisRespect's fault for doing that to his wife. Regardless of those nicknames (as immature as they are), his wife wouldn't forget about the cheating ever anyway. Hiding behind some sort of saint's image is never a good thing. It is same with Ninja. He has chosen to be shown in a public. Social media has the immediate power of destroying pretty much anyone in a less than day as long as they find a reason to do so. Streaming with a woman should be fine as long as his girlfriend/wife (I don't know about his personal life) gives a OK to it.
Right but that's not really his audience. He's talking about those channels not jis twitch chat and the majority of the people who watch him.
User banned (1 week): downplaying the concerns of women, drive-by, account still in junior phase
I think they might have a different perspective being women and being in that industry, as well as being able to view the situation from a more real-life pratical perspective. I think its very easy for people that are far removed from any such situation to just remove the all nuance and view it as an opportunity to score some easy Internet morality points by condensing and then condemning the entire matter.
Rather than addressing toxicity within the gaming industry or his chat, he is deciding to restrict the partnership of women who stream on Twitch.
I hope there are not any women close by when he wins his Gamer of The Year Award from Geoff Keighley.
Sounds like a roundabout way of agreeing that something is not okay (toxicity towards women who game), but doing absolutely nothing at all to change it.
I hope there are not any women close by when he wins his Gamer of The Year Award from Geoff Keighley.
Sounds like a roundabout way of agreeing that something is not okay (toxicity towards women who game), but doing absolutely nothing at all to change it.
So if they start a rumour about him bein gay, by his logic he'd have to ban all men from his stream.
It's a really stupid slippery slope
If they're following him, they're part of his audience, as well. I didn't say 100% of his audience is toxic, but that enough are that he is just not having women on with him anymore.
The only reason to have this policy is based on the presumption that man + woman = sexual contact regardless of their actual relation. Whether that pressure comes from him (it does) or from his community (also true) doesn't matter – that's the root cause. In a world where having the opposite sex to someone didn't automatically lead people to assume there's something sexual going on more often than not, his policy would be completely pointless.
I have no idea where you got the second part of your post from? I'm not talking about monogamy whatsoever, especially not from a generalizing standpoint based on someone's gender. I am also saying that I care INFINITELY less about their relationship than about him gatekeeping women out of his platform. One of them is his problem to deal with, the other is systemic oppression that people are literally dying over. Get some perspective.
Or rather, actually causing further harm.
Then you flat out ignore them and go about your business. This is the entertainment world, him not wanting to play with other women is already a scandal. Everything you do is going to be something for the rumor mill. It's the price of fame. You have to move past it and rise above them.
This is the thing that's just absolutely mind boggling to me from reading the thread. Even the people who adamantly defend his position seem to understand there's a massive toxic problem on twitch and in the gaming community but seem to tacitly approve it by saying that none of this is a big deal
Supporting the status quo is furthering harm.
Discrimination is wrong. But what would be worse is if I brought my colored-friend to my swimming pool and made racist people uncomfortable. Let's not do that to my colored-friend. She should just stay away.
Replace discrimination with harassment. Replace my colored-friend with women. Replace swimming pool with Twitch stream. Replace racist people with gamers.
It's truly insane that so many people are okay with doing nothing to reduce toxicity.
Because it allows them to use it as an excuse to not interact with women.
The next time though women bring up sexism in gaming it will miraculously become not a gaming problem.
You mean other people's presumption of such, and they absolutely will presume. And this is completely about monogamy. He's taken the road of "don't start none won't be none." By refusing to put himself in a position where rumors can start he's completely removed that avenue from ever stressing his relationship with his wife.
I am sorry but this is being waaaay blown out of proportion. He is not saying he is part of the toxicity. He knows the community is toxic af towards female gamers and they would "ship" him up in an instant. Please remember Dr Disrespect cheating on his wife for example, his wife may not be cool with it.
He is just one man and unless he actively blocks every 80% of his chat and therefore his revenue he cant change. It wont change overnight
He is just one man and unless he actively blocks every 80% of his chat and therefore his revenue he cant change. It wont change overnight
exactly.... the amount of what ifs that will be created by his fans or hell even fans of the female streamer can cause major stress in a relationship.
Are you implying Dr Disrespect cheated on his wife because he brought a woman to his stream and not because Dr Disrespect is unfaithful to his marriage?
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I don't think it is insane that so many people understand that he doesn't want to risk his relationships and mental health of others. I feel issues like these really fall on the owners of twitch, youtube and twitter because ultimately these are the platforms that enable this bs. The CEO of twitter explained why they don't ban Alex Jones. I think of Tommie Smith and John Carlos, one of them would do it again and the other said he regretted it. That also killed their careers and how many decades later did it take for the media to come around and acknowledge their stance. I know they don't directly relate, but in some regards they do.
Yup yup, completely agree with you. Just wanted to add to your point.
Again, I don't care? Why do you people keep bringing this up? I don't give a single fuck about this clown's personal life. I'm telling you that there is no justification for gatekeeping women from our community. Everything else is moot and irrelevant.
Fuck him and fuck his relationship. People like him ARE the problem when it comes to sexism.
The line between playing video games with women and sexually abusing them is three football fields long.
This Ninja guy is a moron
This Ninja guy is a moron
"Look guys my audience are sexist assahts so what I am going to do is continue to take their money and ban women from my stream... like any good role model should"
User banned (1 week): downplaying sexism
But there are people who watch those videos who don't watch his stream.
Lol literally not what's happening.
Last time i checked he claims to want to be a good role model, last time I checked he is in fact banning women from his stream and last time i checked the argument is that his audience is sexist and toxic and that's why he can't play with women.... but last time i checked he has all intentions to still make money from that audience
So really lol that's literally what's happening.
Are you implying Dr Disrespect cheated on his wife because he brought a woman to his stream and not because Dr Disrespect is unfaithful to his marriage?
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No I am not, they are two seperate incidents however we by the very nature of this thread are assuming aspects of their marriage that we have no business assuming. There could be ground rules by either party that are uneasy with aspect of fandom. People are not perfect, fame is not everything and he has decided to opt out of walking that rocky path is all.
Ninja is given multiple options in this situation where he could do a combination of:
- inviting women to his stream
- addressing toxicity and trying to change his stream's culture
- banning women from his stream
- not addressing toxicity--merely acknowledging it
He decided to do the latter two options. I don't see how him even addressing toxicity would risk his relationship and if you are so concerned about his mental health then you should also prioritize making his work environment (his Twitch chat and stream) a better environment for all. Which can be done by addressing toxicity.
In your post, you have said a whole lot of nothing.
I got that you were agreeing, my apologies if it seemed like I wasn't understanding. It's crazy how people are being so dense on this subject.
A perfectly reasonable response from Ninja would have been to announce that he wants to address toxicity within his chat before he moves further with partnerships, explaining that his chat needs to be better and more inclusive. The dude just shrugged and said, "Not going to deal with this."
This is pretty much the main issue. People expect streamers to somehow turn the tide of toxicity on other people's platforms. If you want real change then you need an active Twitch wide moderation team. This won't ever happen because it would cost them a fortune, and it would cost them viewers who would just find other places to be toxic. Hell, moderation is the only thing that stops ERA from turning into a disgusting shit hole. Just look at the fall of the old place and how quickly the vile assholes took over.
You are demonstrating why he does what he does. No one really gives a shit about him and his relationship. So he takes the path guaranteed not to interfere with his relationship.
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Ok so how would this forum feel if he allows women on his streams and then his wife and him split up (could be totally unrelated or not) .... do you think that the internet wont make up stories around its downfall with people looking at chemistry between the streamers. You are naive if you think that doesnt happen
I think this is a key, I won't say on how he sees it but I can see him addressing an issue can cause a negative backlash. You put yourself out there are you can going catch shit from those that cyber bully. Just think of Anita S.
Rumors are going to spread no matter who you are. Big or small friend circles, celebrity rumors, internet famous people, etc. Show people you are truthful with your marriage, and it is very true coming from you Ninja. Disregard the rumors as a whole and try not to talk about them on your stream, as they will help spread the negativity you are trying to prevent.
(Edit: Rewrote on how I actually feel on the matter, I myself fell into the rumors trap and was tricked into thinking wrongly.)
(Edit: Rewrote on how I actually feel on the matter, I myself fell into the rumors trap and was tricked into thinking wrongly.)
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The real joke of all this is if some guy posted in etc looking for relationship advice because his girlfriend/wife doesn't want him to play games with women, or hang out with women, or whatever.... Thread would be unanimously calling her names and telling him to dump her because he deserves better and and that he should hit the gym.
But here because it is the man making the decision to not interact with women... it's noble and rational and logical.
But here because it is the man making the decision to not interact with women... it's noble and rational and logical.
If you are unwilling to address sexism, harassment, racism, or any other form of abuse then you are a trash person.
There's nothing noble about putting your head down and working on your craft, when your industry and consumer base are toxic to anyone who is not a white male.
So he's decided to explicitly deny women a major platform to promote themselves in an industry where they're largely underrepresented because he's worried that people on the internet might spread rumors about him? That's fucking ridiculous. I mean, obviously people shouldn't be spreading those rumors and that sucks, but this is the absolute worst way to address it.
User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying sexism, false equivalency. Junior account.
That is a bit extreme, not the strongest character for sure. I mean would you call a women who won't address sexism because she won't accuse her rapist a trash person? I just feel your judgement is very harsh. I have said Ninja's actions are sexist, but the issue is a greater one.
Ninja has the ability to change the culture of his very own streams. He IS the face of twitch. If he took a hard stance and said. "Guy this community as a whole needs to stop being immature. Just because I play a game with a girl doesn't mean we're flirting or I want to bang her. And if I see anyone in my chat making derogatory or sexist comments. You're banned. Sub or not."
He could do that and actually be serious about it and that could potentially have a ripple effect. Instead he bans himself from streaming with an entire gender because he's afraid of what rumors could potentially be started.
Twitch/streaming culture IS toxic as fuck. We all know that. And Ninja alone won't change anything, but nothing will move unless there is a serious conversation. A lot of people in here continue to give Ninja pass claiming it's not his responsibility.
But it is. He's the face of twitch. He's the one who claims he wants to be a good role model. Hell he said he'd try not to swear as much because kids watch his streams. He's put himself in this position. And instead of trying to use what major influence he has to start a real conversation about how women are treated on this platform and how this community acts towards people that interact with them he shies away from it.
I agree he is the face of twitch. This could be a great moment if twitch and him would address this together and come up with a way of deal with the issues.
This is really what this comes down to.... dude is gonna be fine...
He'll make his content that apparently his uber toxic base loves, make bank, they'll get content and women well women will just be over there somewhere.
Because ultimately that's what happens when you use toxicity as a shield to continue doing exactly what you're doing, the toxicity goes nowhere, he gets to continue calling himself a role model and get paid, the toxic dudes are satisfied and placated with content they love and women are just left to fend for themselves... again... as usual, and I remind you the next time that when women start speaking up trying to change things a lot of people here I guarantee will all of a sudden forget they admitted gaming is a sexist shithole and start making excuse for their precious hobby.... because acknowledging sexism in gaming in this thread is only being invoked in order to morally justify excluding women entirely from a stream... which is as fucking hilarious as it is so utterly pathetic.
He'll make his content that apparently his uber toxic base loves, make bank, they'll get content and women well women will just be over there somewhere.
Because ultimately that's what happens when you use toxicity as a shield to continue doing exactly what you're doing, the toxicity goes nowhere, he gets to continue calling himself a role model and get paid, the toxic dudes are satisfied and placated with content they love and women are just left to fend for themselves... again... as usual, and I remind you the next time that when women start speaking up trying to change things a lot of people here I guarantee will all of a sudden forget they admitted gaming is a sexist shithole and start making excuse for their precious hobby.... because acknowledging sexism in gaming in this thread is only being invoked in order to morally justify excluding women entirely from a stream... which is as fucking hilarious as it is so utterly pathetic.
Is ninja a woman?
No.
So the example is a white man not willing to speak up for women who face harrassment.
Next time you want to give an example make sure it is equivalent to the situation we are discussing.
It baffles me that you thought your post was acceptable.
I think it's obvious that Ninja simply wants to keep his family away from the Twitch cesspool. There just seems to be a lack of empathy from some of you who are suggesting that this guy should willingly put his family and spouse in the internet harassment crosshairs.
Could he be a figure whom promotes change? Of course. Is it worth the likely abuse his loved ones would face? To him it's not and I can't necessarily blame him.
Could he be a figure whom promotes change? Of course. Is it worth the likely abuse his loved ones would face? To him it's not and I can't necessarily blame him.
It would happen anyway even if he still has this self imposed ban. If him and his wife split up tomorrow. The internet would be rife with rumors regardless.
Then he should stop making money off that cesspool... or at least keep his mouth shut about his no girls allowed policy.
I mean...I'm fine with calling the gamer community trash and apathetic to fix itself. I think of Anita S. and all the "neutral" gamers that basically said she should have expected what she got, said leave politics out of mah games and did nothing. That's the gamer communities answer to everything when it comes to harassment, bigotry and sexism. Everyone knows it except those that want to continue with the apathetic status quo without the accountability.
I may not be okay with sexism, but I'll take the money and views of sexists, while denying women a chance of streaming with me on Twitch. I'm not okay with sexism though.
I mean his wife is his manager and she's all over his social media and she's on there as well. I have empathy in that I know how toxic this community is and they could very well harass her and his family.
But it's not like she's hiding either.
I agree he probably just should have kept quiet.
Edit: On the other hand, it is prompting discussion and at least raised my awareness that this is an issue.
How is a streamer actually cheating on his wife and then admitting it on stream similar to this at all?
You said "If you are unwilling to address sexism, harassment, racism, or any other form of abuse then you are a trash person."
You know a lot of people who suffer from racism, harassment and abuse say nothing. It doesn't make them trash, I don't know how you can make that statement.
He has already put them in the crosshairs. Just being on Twitch increases their chance of being harassed online (substantially). Him playing with female players wouldn't increase that risk much more.
He is just a hypocritical, sexist bro-gamer. Fuck him.
It is a truly baffling comparison.