Polygon: Tyler "Ninja" Blevins explains why he doesn't stream with women

Deleted member 1589 · Aug 12, 2018

Bottom line is painting it as sexist is not the road I'm going down with on this matter.

If ninja wants to avoid problems from effecting his relationship. It's fine. It's hard enough to handle a relationship as it is.

If he wants to do it to avoid bringing trouble to female streamers, well that's ok. I've seen plenty of examples throughout the years of female developers, gamers, or celebs deleting social media due to the harassment they got just for being in the spotlight, so much that it makes me sick to the stomach.

He's not stopping female streamers from doing their job or artificially suppressing it in any way.

Xaszatm · Aug 12, 2018

FlutterPuffs said:
Bottom line is painting it as sexist is not the road I'm going down with on this matter.

If ninja wants to avoid problems from effecting his relationship. It's fine. It's hard enough to handle a relationship as it is.

If he wants to do it to avoid bringing trouble to female streamers, well that's ok. I've seen plenty of examples throughout the years of female developers, gamers, or celebs deleting social media due to the harassment they got just for being in the spotlight, so much that it makes me sick to the stomach.

He's not stopping female streamers from doing their job or artificially suppressing it in any way.

Ah, the "I'm the moral high ground" excuse. Man a few more and I'll get a bingo!

Deleted member 3853 · Aug 12, 2018

Famassu said:
How weak does your relationship have to be to not withstand a bit of juvenile YouTube teenager gossip based on nothing but streaming companions? If social media is an issue, make it all private so randos can't contact you.

Why should he have to deal with anything that makes him or potentially his wife uncomfortable when he can just avoid it and continue being happy and mega successful?

Whole point of twitch is the interactivity. Removing contact with viewers/fans isn't an option.

Xaszatm · Aug 12, 2018

ironman said:
Why should he have to deal with anything that makes him or potentially his wife uncomfortable when he can just avoid it and continue being happy and mega successful?

Whole point of twitch is the interactivity. Removing contact with viewers/fans isn't an option.

Man, I hope that none of the people in his chat are women then given his reasoning here. Who knows what rumors might spread because of a conversation with a female fan!?!

See how stupid this line of reasoning is?

Famassu · Aug 12, 2018

RobertR1 said:
Who's this "we"??? He's made an individual decision that protects his family and his business based on his awareness of the audience and general experiences.

He doesn't need to wave some moral flag or be a martyr both of which are easier to prescribe when you're not in a similar position.

If others want to take up that mantle I'm all for supporting them just as I am for supporting his decisions.

A person in such position of power shutting off all women because a portion of his fan base is toxic is incredibly shitty to do. It does nothing but feed into that crap.

He's a self-described role model. Not standing up to women is not very role model-y of him.

ironman said:
Why should he have to deal with anything that makes him or potentially his wife uncomfortable when he can just avoid it and continue being happy and mega successful?

Whole point of twitch is the interactivity. Removing contact with viewers/fans isn't an option.

Removing contact with toxic shitstains of humanity should be the least any decent human being does no matter what their venue. He has the money to hire people to do that for him if people won't moderate and handle that for free and he can't be bothered to do it himself.

You don't double down to these shitheels, that way they only win. It's not like Ninja is going to be out of money and his ass out on the streets if he loses some horrible people's money. Hasn't he made millions already?

Stop It · Aug 12, 2018

FlutterPuffs said:
Bottom line is painting it as sexist is not the road I'm going down with on this matter.

If ninja wants to avoid problems from effecting his relationship. It's fine. It's hard enough to handle a relationship as it is.

If he wants to do it to avoid bringing trouble to female streamers, well that's ok. I've seen plenty of examples throughout the years of female developers, gamers, or celebs deleting social media due to the harassment they got just for being in the spotlight, so much that it makes me sick to the stomach.

He's not stopping female streamers from doing their job or artificially suppressing it in any way.

Still haven't answered why giving women themselves the power to choose to appear with him is not an option.

Deleted member 3853 · Aug 12, 2018

Xaszatm said:
Man, I hope that none of the people in his chat are women then given his reasoning here. Who knows what rumors might spread because of a conversation with a female fan!?!

See how stupid this line of reasoning is?

Pretty sure we both think your post is stupid but for different reasons.

Famassu said:
Removing contact with toxic shitstains of humanity should be the least any decent human being does no matter what their venue. He has the money to hire people to do that for him if people won't moderate and handle that for free and he can't be bothered to do it himself.

You don't double down to these shitheels, that way they only win. It's not like Ninja is going to be out of money and his ass out on the streets if he loses some horrible people's money. Hasn't he made millions already?

Sure, he could hire a big social media team to fight trolls on his stream, instagram, twitter, and youtube. Or he could just not feed the trolls at all and continue being happy and successful which is the option he's going with.

Xaszatm · Aug 12, 2018

ironman said:
Pretty sure we both think your post is stupid but for different reasons.

Sure, he could hire a big social media team to fight trolls on his stream, instagram, twitter, and youtube. Or he could just not feed the trolls at all and continue being happy and successful which is the option he's going with.

You're banned but I like how the "sensible" solution is to throw women under a bus

Xaszatm · Aug 12, 2018

Again, I would like to point out that no one is saying that he is required to have women stream with him from now on. We are saying that his reasoning for not including women on his streams is a really really shitty decision that reflects that misogynistic problems in the gaming community. The fact that this entire thread is nothing but people deflecting and trying to steer the conversation away from this point is just further proof of how problematic the community is when it comes to women, seeing it as the sensible decision to put the blame on all women for the community rather than actual deal with the problems of the community itself.

TSM · Aug 12, 2018

The root of all of this seems to be monogamy. For most people marriage is a public declaration of their exclusionary partnership. We wear rings to signal other people that we are unavailable. I highly doubt his policy would be in place if he weren't married.

TI92 · Aug 12, 2018

Such bullshit from the pence plan

Deleted member 12177 · Aug 12, 2018

Xaszatm said:
Again, I would like to point out that no one is saying that he is required to have women stream with him from now on. We are saying that his reasoning for not including women on his streams is a really really shitty decision that reflects that misogynistic problems in the gaming community. The fact that this entire thread is nothing but people deflecting and trying to steer the conversation away from this point is just further proof of how problematic the community is when it comes to women, seeing it as the sensible decision to put the blame on all women for the community rather than actual deal with the problems of the community itself.

The teenage to college range of the population, which is a heavy percentage of the gaming population that participates in the streaming sphere, has always been a aggressive and often unreasonable group. A lot of this has to do with the age range in which people are going through personality transformations, jumping onto popularity bandwagons, thinking they're banking "cool" points by being edgy and all sorts of behavior oddities which thankfully many grow out of. Some clearly don't. What's changed is the ability of these people to aggregate on social media and streaming services in real time to encourage this behavior. All of this is relatively new and it'll take time to figure out who we add a sense of civility to the beast that is the internet.

So lambasting individuals for not having their "Rosa Parks" moments is a natural reaction but it does nothing to address the overall issue which has existed for generations. It just found a new and stronger medium.

TyrantGuardian · Aug 12, 2018

RobertR1 said:
Considering the nut cases on the internet that go out of their way to ruin people's lives especially in the younger, gamer, demographic, I don't blame him one bit.

The term some of you need to become familiar with is "know your audience."

Fuck his audience.

PhazonBlonde said:
Not only defend it, but we've got posters in here saying the outcry against it is some sort of insanity

Yeah I'm way overdue for a good gaslighting. Thanks, certain (ex-?) Era posters!

TSM said:
The root of all of this seems to be monogamy. For most people marriage is a public declaration of their exclusionary partnership. We wear rings to signal other people that we are unavailable. I highly doubt his policy would be in place if he weren't married.

Well, no. Though I agree with your point in spirit, the root of this is men viewing women as sexual objects to be conquered with zero other value in society.

ShinySunny said:
This guy is married, no?
I remember Drake talked to his wife on the phone.

But yeah, I guess it could potentially ruin his marriage.
10M+ people saying that your husband is flirting online......geez.
I don't want to be him since all evidences are saved online, and then you have to explain every time you opened your mouth.

Or uh... you aren't a fucking psychopath and you don't have to explain anything because you literally haven't done anything? This male persecution complex we're seeing from incredibly privileged people in positions of massive power is some of the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life, I swear. He's not a fucking victim here. The women who get objectified in this context are, but he's fucking not. At all. Stop trying to pity this clown, it's pathetic.

ShinySunny said:
I don't know how a relationship can last with that many people watching you, and hoping you will mess up.

Lmao no one is forcing him to participate in any time of social media. He or his wife don't need to listen to literally a single word people are saying about their relationship if they don't want to. Clearly people being sexist idiots is a major problem (that people like me are actively trying to do something about), but let's not act like the guy's marriage is doomed because morons make videos. Do you even realize what you saying that actually sounds like? You're implying that his wife is a fucking idiot who can't tell the difference between slander by trolls and what her husband is actually doing.

Here's a shocker for you: she's a human with a brain. Presumably, her brain is indeed capable of making logical judgements over things that happen in her life. You're acting like this shit is a ticking timebomb just waiting to reach her at which point she will instantly divorce the dude and therefore it is better to simply keep her and all other women out of the loop, just in case. I guess because women are hysterical or something? You tell me.

ShinySunny · Aug 12, 2018

This guy is married, no?
I remember Drake talked to his wife on the phone.

But yeah, I guess it could potentially ruin his marriage.
10M+ people saying that your husband is flirting online......geez.
I don't want to be him since all evidences are saved online, and then you have to explain every time you opened your mouth.
His wife will have to face a lot of pressure and harassment too if she uses social media due to all the rumors and gossip message spams that she could potentially receive each day.

I don't know how a relationship can last with that many people watching you, and hoping you will mess up.

TyrantGuardian said:
You're acting like this shit is a ticking timebomb just waiting to reach her at which point she will instantly divorce the dude and therefore it is better to simply keep her and all other women out of the loop, just in case. I guess because women are hysterical or something? You tell me.

Well, social media does put pressure on a marriage if a person believes that their SO is using FB/Twitter to flirt around.

You don't have a friend that you know where their SO told them to stop using FB/Twitter due to fear of infidelity?
I just did a simple google search on social media and cheating, and it came up with this article for 2018:
http://time.com/5208108/facebook-cheating-infidelity-divorce/

Social media infidelity is quite common from what I read in the last couple of years during the rise of social media.
The problem with Ninja is that he is reachable across all platforms of social media.
And for Twitch, people can even DM him directly on it iirc.

So if millions of his fans are creating rumors, she could be stressed out and be fearful of such a situation.
They are both in their mid 20s as well, so the insecurity from both of them would be higher than most couples.
They are also newlywed iirc during the Drake stream according to both of them.
And if he believes it could lead to harassment to his personal life then so be it.
I read his reason as a private decision to avoid conflict and drama from his streaming job and his personal life.
He knows his audience well enough to make that decision.

janoGX · Aug 12, 2018

I find this to be a nothing burger more than anything. And people are demonizing Ninja for this, like they were trying to find something to be outraged at him.

He does see other streamers as equals, but he prefers to dodge any drama happening. Remember, we're talking about Twitch, a place where everything can be blown out of proportion and lead to disasters.

I completely understand him and if we have to blame something, it's Twitch Chat culture.

iswasdoes · Aug 12, 2018

I think it's probably less about protecting his marriage and more about protecting his source of astonishingly large revenue.

Majukun · Aug 12, 2018

he is free to do whatever he likes

TyrantGuardian · Aug 12, 2018

Majukun said:
he is free to do whatever he likes

And we are free to call him out on it. What's your point?

UltimateHigh · Aug 12, 2018

Parenegade said:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ninja+is+gay

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ninja+pokimane

look at all this stupid shit. it's endless.

TyrantGuardian · Aug 12, 2018

ShinySunny said:
Well, social media does put pressure on a marriage if a person believes that their SO is using FB/Twitter to flirt around.

You don't have a friend that you know where their SO told them to stop using FB/Twitter due to fear of infidelity?
I just did a simple google search on social media and cheating, and it came up with this article for 2018:
http://time.com/5208108/facebook-cheating-infidelity-divorce/

Social media infidelity is quite common from what I read in the last couple of years during the rise of social media.
The problem with Ninja is that he is reachable across all platforms of social media.
And for Twitch, people can even DM him directly on it iirc.

So if millions of his fans are creating rumors, she could be stressed out and be fearful of such a situation.
They are both in their mid 20s as well, so the insecurity from both of them would be higher than most couples.
They are also newlywed iirc during the Drake stream according to both of them.
And if he believes it could lead to harassment to his personal life then so be it.
I read his reason as a private decision to avoid conflict and drama from his streaming job and his personal life.
He knows his audience well enough to make that decision.

What the fuck? No, I don't have a single friend who has been told that by their SO. That sounds completely bizarre to me while you apparently presume it's somehow normal?

Your link has literally nothing to do with Ninja. Is he flirting with people via social media and via his streams? Ok, then what's your point? That he needs to stay away from women because he's a sexist piece of shit who can't keep his dick in his pants? If he isn't actually flirting with these people then uh... what exactly is your point here? You lost me.

Again, why would she be? You are presuming that his wife is a fucking moron. His reason is misogynistic and incredibly harmful to women within the gaming community. That's what I'm criticizing him over. I don't give a single shit about what he does or doesn't do in his private life. Also, he's literally 100% responsible for curating his audience. Day9 does it, it clearly works perfectly well for him – why do you hold Ninja to such a disrespectfully low standard? A much simpler explanation is that Ninja is actually a trash lord who values his own convenience over being welcoming to women within the community by providing them a platform just like he does to other men. If you think that is acceptable behavior, that's on you and he is clearly perfectly welcome to do whatever he wants. I just happen to think that it's pathetic behavior and shows an incredibly lack of integrity and character. Then again, what I think about him actually doesn't matter one bit, so we're back at my actual point; I don't care about him as a person, I care about what he does in public and the effect it has on other people. Fuck his motives, they are completely irrelevant unless you are trying to justify sexist behavior.

LogicAirForce · Aug 12, 2018

The was I see it this guy has the opportunity to stand up and do something about this harassment but instead has decided to take the easy way out, adding to the already ridiculous amount of sexism that women have to face in this hobby. I don't really buy that he is doing this because his wife gets upset at the gossip or whatever, seems like a good excuse.There is also them fact that he has participated in this shipping BS when it concerned other streamers, which makes him kinda shitty.

ShinySunny · Aug 12, 2018

TyrantGuardian said:
What the fuck? No, I don't have a single friend who has been told that by their SO. That sounds completely bizarre to me while you apparently presume it's somehow normal?

You lost me.

Yeah, it seems normal to me. Even Trump Jr cheated on his wife through Facebook.

The point is that he is on almost every single platform of social media.
It is a way to increase his chance of cheating due to an increase access with other people that idolize him, creating a confusing emotional connection for people.
A DM here, a DM there. It could lead to potential infidelity due to emotional connection from long time interaction with other people in the long term.

RooMHM · Aug 12, 2018

So the guy cant even do what he wants right?
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
This reason as sadas it is, seems reasonable.

Daysean · Aug 12, 2018

RooMHM said:
So the guy cant even do what he wants right?
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
This reason as sadas it is, seems reasonable.

He can do what he wants
Im pretty sure people in here aren't watching him actually lol
He put his information/reasons out there, people can comment on them

TyrantGuardian · Aug 12, 2018

ShinySunny said:
Yeah, it seems normal to me. Even Trump Jr cheated on his wife through Facebook.

The point is that he is on almost every single platform of social media.
It is a way to increase his chance of cheating due to an increase access with other people that idolize him, creating a confusing emotional connection for people.
A DM here, a DM there. It could lead to potential infidelity due to emotional connection from long time interaction with other people in the long term.

My friends are not like Trump Jr. If yours are; my condolences. Also I think that a case could be made that Trump Jr would have cheated on anyone for any reason by any means – Facebook being the platform for him to connect to others is irrelevant.

You could easily extend this argument to meeting women in general. Your argument is pretty much "if Ninja meets a female co-worker he should report it to HR and get her fired just so he doesn't risk infidelity."

Not sure what to tell you aside from it being an awful stance.

Deleted member 283 · Aug 12, 2018

RooMHM said:
So the guy cant even do what he wants right?
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
This reason as sadas it is, seems reasonable.

He can do what he wants. But after he puts his reasons out there, under the same logic, people are just as free to critique those reasons. That's all that's going on here.

Weird though that people act like people have ninja have all this freedom, but then don't extend that same freedom to the people critiquing him and just go "don't like it, don't watch it" instead.

And if that's NOT the point of posts like this, and you realize that people have just as much right to critique him as he does to say this stuff to begin with, then... well, what's the point of posts like this again? Because if that's NOT the point, if the intent isn't to just shut down discussion or make the people critiquing him sound crazy or something, then what is the point exactly? Because that doesn't really leave much...

Windrunner · Aug 12, 2018

Disappointing to see so many people here make excuses for, or support the exclusion and infantilisation of women in gaming circles. Shout outs to the guy who argued that married men shouldn't be playing videogames with women and the guy who doesn't want women at his LAN parties.

Thank you mods for having none of that mess.

ShinySunny · Aug 12, 2018

TyrantGuardian said:
Your argument is pretty much "if Ninja meets a female co-worker he should report it to HR and get her fired just so he doesn't risk infidelity."

Not sure what to tell you aside from it being an awful stance.

Can't really apply that analogy to him though. But still, that isn't even remotely close to my argument. The argument is about social media and how it allows people to cheat easier due to the many connection and private interaction a person can conveniently have access to.
And beside, he works for himself. There is no co-worker, they are just guests on his stream. He probably doesn't even have an employee unless you count his CPA tax preparer.

He has millions of eyes watching him to slip up, and reporting him through all his public social media accounts.
He has another millions of people creating gossips and rumors out of thin air then posing them on his and his wife accounts.
He has a lot of things going against him from his audience and from his trolls.

He lists his reasons, and he knows he is an easy target with the internet.
A lot of people say he is gay due to his dyed hair or how he likes to wear his colorful bandanna on stream. A bandanna...for goodness sake.
Because the few times I have watched him, it was just a sad state of affair to hear Ninja telling people repeatedly that he is married or telling his wife to wave at his audience once in a while to showcase he isn't gay or how he is happily married with her.
So his reasons do sound reasonable enough than most. If it could affect his livelihood and marriage, then I can see where he is coming from.
Remember, he skyrocketed to a millionaire in a very very short time.
So he pretty much has a lot of trolls and haters trying to ground him from becoming popular.
If he is afraid that these people can harass him and his wife with drama, it is better to avoid it so these people don't have a chance to ruin his life.
It is just sound advice. Avoid drama, and live your life in peace.

Durante · Aug 12, 2018

At that level of popularity with that fan base I really can't blame anyone for trying to minimize their exposure.

Soph · Aug 12, 2018

Once in a while we need a thread like this for a cleanup of palpable proportions.

BBboy20 · Aug 12, 2018

ShinySunny said:
The argument is about social media and how it allows people to cheat easier due to the many connection and private interaction a person can conveniently have access to.

.....this is the shit that helped spark GamerGate.

jesus

watdaeff4 · Aug 12, 2018

ShinySunny said:
This guy is married, no?
I remember Drake talked to his wife on the phone.

But yeah, I guess it could potentially ruin his marriage.
10M+ people saying that your husband is flirting online......geez.
I don't want to be him since all evidences are saved online, and then you have to explain every time you opened your mouth.
His wife will have to face a lot of pressure and harassment too if she uses social media due to all the rumors and gossip message spams that she could potentially receive each day.

I don't know how a relationship can last with that many people watching you, and hoping you will mess up.

Well, social media does put pressure on a marriage if a person believes that their SO is using FB/Twitter to flirt around.

You don't have a friend that you know where their SO told them to stop using FB/Twitter due to fear of infidelity?
I just did a simple google search on social media and cheating, and it came up with this article for 2018:
http://time.com/5208108/facebook-cheating-infidelity-divorce/

Social media infidelity is quite common from what I read in the last couple of years during the rise of social media.
The problem with Ninja is that he is reachable across all platforms of social media.
And for Twitch, people can even DM him directly on it iirc.

So if millions of his fans are creating rumors, she could be stressed out and be fearful of such a situation.
They are both in their mid 20s as well, so the insecurity from both of them would be higher than most couples.
They are also newlywed iirc during the Drake stream according to both of them.
And if he believes it could lead to harassment to his personal life then so be it.
I read his reason as a private decision to avoid conflict and drama from his streaming job and his personal life.
He knows his audience well enough to make that decision.

The TIME article doesn't Really apply in this situation

ShinySunny · Aug 12, 2018

BBboy20 said:
.....this is the shit that helped spark GamerGate.

jesus

Huh?
There are studies about social media and infidelity.
Scientists want to know how people adapt to the growing usage of technology and the convenience of connecting with other people can do to a relationship or forming emotional bond through online communication.

So how do studies on sociology apply to Gamergate anyway?

watdaeff4 said:
The TIME article doesn't Really apply in this situation

It is just a general information about social media.
Twitch is a social media platform.
And Ninja does have other media access than Twitch.
He wants to avoid drama by avoiding this "online" communication as he stated, and he doesn't want to put him and his wife through social media rumor and gossips.
He knows the danger. And I am just linking the article so people can see where Ninja could be fearful of such a situation according to his reason.

watdaeff4 · Aug 12, 2018

ShinySunny said:
Huh?
There are studies about social media and infidelity.
Scientists want to know how people adapt to the growing usage of technology and the convenience of connecting with other people can do to a relationship or forming emotional bond through online communication.

So how do studies on sociology apply to Gamergate anyway?

It is just a general information about social media.
Twitch is a social media platform.
And Ninja does have other media access than Twitch.
He wants to avoid drama by avoiding this "online" communication as he stated, and he doesn't want to put him and his wife through social media rumor and gossips.
He knows the danger.

The difference (to me at least) as to why you can't apply those social media studies or the TIME article:
Ninja is saying he won't stream with women because he doesn't want rumors to get started by interacting with a woman in a public setting.

Everything you are referring to has these basic tenets as to why social apps like Facebook and even all the way down to text messaging is this:

A lot of the affairs have at least one person dissatisfied (the TIME article you linked repeatedly stated that)
People start developing deep intimate one on one relationships via messaging apps esp since they are private conversations, over time. Not oh we streamed for a couple of hours and now I love you

And lastly just remember any study published you have to scrutinize it and not just except it at face value

chobel · Aug 12, 2018

Welp; If you use social media, you'll eventually become cheating scumbag.

Brb deleting my facebook and twitter.

TyrantGuardian · Aug 12, 2018

Sigh. No one gives a shit about infidelity. That's not what this is about. It's about men prioritizing covering their own asses rather than including women on their platforms.

Nintendo · Aug 12, 2018

Shroud has been playing Rainbow Six with 2 women streamers for a while. Never heard any gossip about them.

GrimJawz · Aug 12, 2018

Definitely seems like a over reaction to me on he's part, but then again I have no clue about what happens or has happened in hes personal life, i would imagine that this kind of hardline stance probably comes from some past issue or something. Anyway its not like he's a employer, he has literally no responsibility or debt to anyone to do anything.

DigitalOp · Aug 12, 2018

The reason he won't stream with women is because the gaming community is mysoginistic.

Like just think about that... I'm dumbfounded

Not much I can say after that

Darth Vapor · Aug 12, 2018

KZXcellent said:
Dodger had a good twitter thread with her own experiences.

Yeah, its a difficult decision. I guess if my loved ones weren't 100% on board i wouldn't want to put them through that either.

spman2099 · Aug 12, 2018

DigitalOp said:
The reason he won't stream with women is because the gaming community is mysoginistic.

Like just think about that... I'm dumbfounded

Not much I can say after that

This topic is an excellent indication of where the western world is when it comes to sexism. We get to see people who wouldn't like associating themselves with sexism out themselves as having sexist beliefs.

entremet · Aug 12, 2018

While it is his decision. I think Ninja is missing a huge opportunity here. Twitch culture clearly has issues. He could used this opportunity to tell his fans to kick rocks and grow up.

But for now, he's taking the easy road.

Fierro · Aug 12, 2018

entremet said:
While it is his decision. I think Ninja is missing a huge opportunity here. Twitch culture clearly has issues. He could used this opportunity to tell his fans to kick rocks and grow up.

But for now, he's taking the easy road.

He could, but given the culture it could be disastrous for him.

entremet · Aug 12, 2018

Fierro said:
He could, but given the culture it could be disastrous for him.

How so?

Fierro · Aug 12, 2018

entremet said:
How so?

Online bullying. I mean there are countless examples in this thread of people harassing family members of streamers or online personalities. Him trying to avoid online bullying has put him in a position where he is being sexist. I just don't blame him for not wanting to take on the issue.

Deaf Spacker · Aug 12, 2018

I don't know really what to say to this, is he stuck in the 1950's?

spman2099 · Aug 12, 2018

Fierro said:
He could, but given the culture it could be disastrous for him.

I doubt it would be. Streaming with women wouldn't suddenly cause his world to come crashing down on him. Refusing to be sexist isn't some kind of impossible ideal to live up to. Not being shitty is incredibly easy: just don't be shitty. If that fails, look at the shitty thing you did and say "oh yeah, that was a shitty thing to do" and THEN stop being shitty.

The endless defense of this sexist policy is truly breathtaking.

Deaf Spacker said:
I don't know really what to say to this, is he stuck in the 1950's?

Unfortunately, he is living in the year 2018, and he apparently reflects the values of this year. Look at how much support he received here. This forum receives endless shit for being an example of progressive extremism, yet his firm "no girls allowed" policy was defended tirelessly by a large percentage of people in this thread.

I wish we could say this was indicative of a 1950's attitude, dude, but clearly it isn't.

Deleted member 23381 · Aug 12, 2018

entremet said:
While it is his decision. I think Ninja is missing a huge opportunity here. Twitch culture clearly has issues. He could used this opportunity to tell his fans to kick rocks and grow up.

But for now, he's taking the easy road.

Why wouldn't he take the easy road, it's is £££££££.

Most people who chat this shit online wouldn't dream of doing anything like that at their personal career, are far too cowardly to tell their customers or bosses to "kick rocks and grow up", yet hypocritically expect this guy to.

Again, the guys an asshole, but you guys have completely unrealistic expectations considering this is his main income.

entremet · Aug 12, 2018

Fierro said:
Online bullying. I mean there are countless examples in this thread of people harassing family members of streamers or online personalities. Him trying to avoid online bullying has put him in a position where he is being sexist. I just don't blame him for not wanting to take on the issue.

You mean bullying his wife or the female streamer in question?

Thargas · Aug 12, 2018

entremet said:
How so?

If he told his viewers to 'kick rocks and grow up', he would get hundred of thousands of death threats. And not just him, his family would also get harrased like there is no tomorrow. Their lives would pretty much be over.
I feel like a lot of people don't realise how big and ugly that could get.

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