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I mentioned this in the original thread.

People who plagiarize almost never do it just once. Once it's found out, things get figured out pretty quickly as articles are combed over and it becomes apparent its been happening for years.
 

Weltall Zero

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To be fair if I was a press sneak fuck and a known plagiariser challenged me to find more works of plagiarism, I'm pretty sure I know what I'd do.

I can only assume this was his idea of suicide by cop. Otherwise I don't have a clue what he was thinking, although that would be consistent with the rest of his behaviour.

I mentioned this in the original thread.

People who plagiarize almost never do it just once. Once it's found out, things get figured out pretty quickly as articles are combed over and it becomes apparent its been happening for years.

You could say they... keep copying their own behavioral patterns.
*badum-tish*
 

truly101

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The last couple of pages of this thread.....well, righteous indignation is a hell of a drug I guess.
I did feel sorry for miucin but his apology essentially reads like "I'm sorry for not really doing the thing everyone says I did" and its hard to muster much sympathy in this case.
 

BernardoOne

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I think calling someone a sociopath because they plagiarized a game review and then tried to deny on a video is.....not at all remotely what being a sociopath is. I know the mods have already warned so I'm out of this thread but seriously your post is the most vile. Grow up dude.

I'm out of this thread, ya'll can resume your bullying without me derailing it.
by your standards you started bullying people too so you know...
 

Aroll

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It appears he has deleted the video, and the one about him joining IGN. I think this is likely going to be in an attempt to pretend the IGN thing never happened and returning to normal content in a few weeks.

I know some don't like the piling on. And I agree in so much as it doesn't really help. But, Filip asked to be piled on. He dared the entire internet to find any review he has done in the past that was plagerized and funnily enough, a 3rd example was found and even has the same errors in it from the OG review. Would not be shocked at this point to find out every game review he's ever done originated from somewhere else. It's just a question of which outlet was it this time.

He also made it worse by acting like he didn't do anything wrong. That everyone does reviews the way he does. Which is blatantly false, but he needed a defense. He said the end result wasn't intentional, when were well past accidental influence territory.

Beyond that, he decided to call out a journalist for his reporting, saying he lied despite providing the proof and that journalist just happened to be one of the most well regarded journalists in the entire video game world. He dared that journalist to prove it. Which he then did.

Filip asked for this second wave of heat, quite literally. All likely due to his self dignity. He truly thinks he didn't do anything wrong, nor has done anything wrong in the past.

You have staff at IGN saying he outright lied to their faces about several things, even on his way out.

The point is, Filip is done. The iternet loves drama. I don't blame IGN for hiring him over say, someone at Nintendo Life because unless that someone was Alex, which it likely wasn't - on air personalities are really important at IGN. And, not knowing any better, filip's channel on the surface looked the part. Great editing. Nice scripts, reviews that seemed alright.

They couldn't hire a big youtuber because who leaves their self made life to work for someone else and a small time youtuber is easier to entice. They just chose the wrong one. And how likely will never choose one again.!
 

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The thing that strikes me about this story more than anything is that the guy doesn't seem to be that good at his job? Plaguerising is something you do if you're not confident in what you're doing.

So how did he get to be Nintendo editor at ign???
 

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Just in case it's not clear, since I've seen people debating this -- I've given Filip Miucin three chances to comment for my stories and I'd welcome him taking the opportunity to do so. If he wanted to come on my podcast and take my questions, he'd be welcome. I have many, many questions for him.

Keep up the good work Jason! I want to feel sorry for Filip but all the proof is just so bad, I don't understand why he couldn't just put the effort in and use his own thoughts and feelings. I don't care if IGN has long hours and is stressful, that's the world and he has zero right to plagiarise.
 

saenima

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Fully agreed. I will never understand the hills people choose to die on. It's literally impenetrable to me.

It's kind of telling that without exception, all of them in this thread have resorted to intellectually dishonest tactics and personal attacks. Which, in the context of trying to appear more virtuous that the people criticising him, is kind of hilarious. :)

Agreed. It's baffling. Maybe a mix of celebrity worshipping with devil's advocacy. The two things this world definitely needs more of :/
 
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The thing that strikes me about this story more than anything is that the guy doesn't seem to be that good at his job? Plaguerising is something you do if you're not confident in what you're doing.

So how did he get to be Nintendo editor at ign???

I had the same question and the below was explained to me. He was a somewhat popular youtube personality. On the Giant Beastcast they were discussing that he got a lot of his followers because he got a small batch of Switchs early on and had a giveaway to subscribers.

Edit: Added my own comments within quote.

He got it because he had a semi-popular youtube show after only going for a year. I think the problem IGN have at the moment is they're looking for someone who can handle everything from writing reviews and features to producing sharable content and videos, and anyone who's already doing well at that is already making bank, or is so close to doing so that it's not worth them moving to IGN.

They also had a run of staff (particularly on the Nintendo side) using IGN as a springboard to working more directly in the games industry rather than in journalism, so I think IGN's thought process is to hire a YouTuber because they'll be more interested in content creation as a career, but this has the downsides mentioned above that people doing well at this don't need IGN to reach a big audience or make good money.
 

Liliana

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It appears he has deleted the video, and the one about him joining IGN. I think this is likely going to be in an attempt to pretend the IGN thing never happened and returning to normal content in a few weeks.

I know some don't like the piling on. And I agree in so much as it doesn't really help. But, Filip asked to be piled on. He dared the entire internet to find any review he has done in the past that was plagerized and funnily enough, a 3rd example was found and even has the same errors in it from the OG review. Would not be shocked at this point to find out every game review he's ever done originated from somewhere else. It's just a question of which outlet was it this time.

He also made it worse by acting like he didn't do anything wrong. That everyone does reviews the way he does. Which is blatantly false, but he needed a defense. He said the end result wasn't intentional, when were well past accidental influence territory.

Beyond that, he decided to call out a journalist for his reporting, saying he lied despite providing the proof and that journalist just happened to be one of the most well regarded journalists in the entire video game world. He dared that journalist to prove it. Which he then did.

Filip asked for this second wave of heat, quite literally. All likely due to his self dignity. He truly thinks he didn't do anything wrong, nor has done anything wrong in the past.

You have staff at IGN saying he outright lied to their faces about several things, even on his way out.

The point is, Filip is done. The iternet loves drama. I don't blame IGN for hiring him over say, someone at Nintendo Life because unless that someone was Alex, which it likely wasn't - on air personalities are really important at IGN. And, not knowing any better, filip's channel on the surface looked the part. Great editing. Nice scripts, reviews that seemed alright.

They couldn't hire a big youtuber because who leaves their self made life to work for someone else and a small time youtuber is easier to entice. They just chose the wrong one. And how likely will never choose one again.!

Brilliant post. I feel like it's a simple case of the Streisand effect.
 

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That's super interesting! But isn't Nintendo editor at ign a pretty senior job? I understand what you're saying but it just seems to be pretty incompetent hiring from ign if they end up with someone not confident at their job for what I assume is a very senior post.
 

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Funny how the people preoccupied with Filip have nothing to say to those he stole from. He was working for IGN, literally the biggest outlet in gaming, and stealing from the small folk because it's too fucking hard apparently to write something about a videogame you've played. Fuck them i guess. They have nothing to say about his Trumpian attack on actual journalism practiced by Schreier either. Fuck him as well it seems. But poor Filip? The guy who stole, lied, refused to apologize or even recognize his mistake, mocked the people he stole from, blamed the media and, for maximum scumminess, monetized his fake apology? He's the real victim though.

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I wish this story would just go away until (unless?) he tries to be a journalist again in some noteworthy fashion. Maybe he's really in distress about losing his job and the realization that he has no future in his career, and is in denial about the whole thing. A whole bunch of people hammering him over it probably doesn't help. The NY Times opinion piece about "harmless torturers" seems apt right about now.
 
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The point is, Filip is done. The iternet loves drama. I don't blame IGN for hiring him over say, someone at Nintendo Life because unless that someone was Alex, which it likely wasn't - on air personalities are really important at IGN. And, not knowing any better, filip's channel on the surface looked the part. Great editing. Nice scripts, reviews that seemed alright.

They couldn't hire a big youtuber because who leaves their self made life to work for someone else and a small time youtuber is easier to entice. They just chose the wrong one. And how likely will never choose one again.!

I never liked this hire from IGN. I had always been aware of Filip's YouTube videos around the time the Switch launched but never found his content appealing. Alanah mentioned on Twitter that IGN actually had a more qualified candidate, but the pay was too low for them. I'm curious as to what the person was.

Personally I don't think gaming publications should be going for YouTubers to begin with because gaming YouTube is incredibly sketchy. Most of the content is just clickbait and rumor mongering. Look at dudes like BeatEmUps, RGT 85, PlayerEssence, Super Metal Dave, etc. Their content usually just takes information from somewhere else, they add their hot take on it, and stall for time to hit 10 minutes.

I will admit that Filip didn't really do that on his channel and his content was more professional than most, but YouTube has always had a problem with people grabbing information or content willy nilly and repackaging it as your own. Take a look at this video from Marco a popular letsplayer for The Division, where he goes after cleanprincegaming, and points out that a lot of the video he uses is stolen, with him zooming in and cropping footage to remove watermarks. He also points out that there is no way cleanprincegaming actually played for any significant amount of time, and his analysis bears little substance. This is pretty typical of a lot of channels. I'm honestly not surprised Filip thinks he "did nothing wrong," because that type of behavior is fairly standard in that YouTube space...

https://youtu.be/HW9vQLNi2Uc

Big publications with huge staffs have a hard enough time getting reviews out on time, I honestly don't believe for a second that one lone youtuber is honestly assessing the dozens of games they "review" or "analyze" per week. The whole YouTube gaming industry is sketchy as hell and IGN should have not tried to tap someone from that community. They were much better off promoting someone from within, or going with someone who had the professional backing and experience to be an editor for a major site.

That's not to say there aren't any good channels on YouTube. I personally think Game Makers Toolkit is an incredibly good channel and Mark always puts out amazing work. Jeremy Parish also has a fantastic channel as well and his "Works" videos are interesting and fun to watch. The big difference between these two guys and your average gaming channel is that they don't post content fairly often because they take their time with their videos. Something that makes monetization difficult. It's done more so as a hobby than as a job.
 
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That's super interesting! But isn't Nintendo editor at ign a pretty senior job? I understand what you're saying but it just seems to be pretty incompetent hiring from ign if they end up with someone not confident at their job for what I assume is a very senior post.
Jose left while the switch was blowing up, needed someone to cover the Nintendo side. I believe someone mentioned he was a rushed hire.
 

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Source? I mean he's talking about his personal experience, I doubt he'd go into the bloody details

No.

The source he provided, only mentioned the lying part (1 lie).

I'm asking for the IGN source he mentioned that said Filip lied multiple times on his way out.
 

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The video is gone and so is the tweet. I hope the dude finally realized the depth of the shithole he has dug himself in.
 
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Personally I don't think gaming publications should be going for YouTubers to begin with because gaming YouTube is incredibly sketchy. Most of the content is just clickbait and rumor mongering. Look at dudes like BeatEmUps, RGT 85, PlayerEssence, Super Metal Dave, etc. Their content usually just takes information from somewhere else, they add their hot take on it, and stall for time to hit 10 minutes.

So of the four YouTubers you mentioned I happen to know all of them, three of them more personally. I'd just like to point out some things you might not know.

BeatEmUps (A.k.a. Wood) has been creating videos for years that in my opinion has always been incredibly well produced and slick. His Game Quest series was a fun exploration into the game hunting genre that worked with folks like the Game Chasers. Wood is humble and a very nice person to know and chat with. His current episodes are an evolution of his desire to create a conversation with his viewers and share his opinions on topics. What he does isn't easy and takes a lot of time and work to make happen. Many of his videos are non topical content that focuses on lists and video essays produced entirely by himself. To simply identify him as clickbait is a mistake.

RGT 85 is a professional games journalist who has worked for Nintendo Enthusiast and other outlets for years. He has written reviews, covered game news and produced videos outside of his YouTube channel. Every conversation I've had with him regarding news topics has always impressed me. His fact checking and research gathering from sources and contacts he's made over the years is what makes his work stick out. You'll also find that he reviews lots of games on his channel outside of his news opinion content. His YouTube channel's recent growth isn't something that happened by chance, it was his hard work that built it.

Super Metal Dave's channel is the smallest from the group. I've no idea why you decided to pick him out but you've likely not seen him from the start. His channel begun with a typical Let's Play focus. His work started to evolve with opinion focused editorial content, a change I believe that made his channel much better. What's great about Dave is that he's driven and passionate and clearly wants to do more. He'll keep growing and getting better every single day if you continue to watch him.

Any of these folks would be an amazing hire for any gaming publication.
- They've all presented skills in video production.
- Established a knowledge of video games and the industry.
- They've demonstrated an ability to work independently with limited resources.
- They have proven that they can present their material in a way that is attractive to viewers.

I'm honestly not surprised Filip thinks he "did nothing wrong," because that type of behavior is fairly standard in that YouTube space...

Speaking as a YouTuber and former YouTube MCN (Multi Channel Network) manager I want to correct you on this. No, this behavior is not fairly standard. YouTubers speak to one another in groups constantly. We're decentralized but we have rules that we need to follow just like anyone trying to build a career or a business. With theft largely being illegal, it's very easy for a YouTuber to flag another video for it. If a YouTuber is flagged enough their channel can lose monetization status and can also be shut down. If one of us steals from another and we find out about it, they're ostracized. Losing trust with the community means you'll lose the ability to bounce ideas off of others and work out problems on YouTube. Some MCNs will actively kick out users who are proven to be plagiarists due to the legality of supporting that content.

Every community has some bad eggs which I will not deny. The majority of the YouTube gaming content creators I know happen to be some of the best people I know. I really dislike the way that people seem to be attacking YouTubers in general lately. We all work hard to make fun content.
 

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In the 90's he would have been called lame and had his wrist slapped.
Then he would be demanded to redeem himself.
He does so and all is well.

Today you're witch hunted and heavily judged.
Hated for life.
 

takriel

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Does the guy have family and kids? If so, I feel really bad for them. He really dug himself in a giant hole with this disaster.
 

Steroyd

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In the 90's he would have been called lame and had his wrist slapped.
Then he would be demanded to redeem himself.
He does so and all is well.

Today you're witch hunted and heavily judged.
Hated for life.

Well of course, YouTube and twitter didn't exist back in the 90's, so information and communication would have travelled a lot slower.
 

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Every community has some bad eggs which I will not deny. The majority of the YouTube gaming content creators I know happen to be some of the best people I know. I really dislike the way that people seem to be attacking YouTubers in general lately. We all work hard to make fun content.
If you'd ask me, I'd say: For one, it's simply jealousy, because being a Youtuber, from the outside, looks like the easiest job of the world, while still being one of the best payed ones. I know both isn't true, fwiw.
The more relevant reason though would be that Youtubers, in particular those associated with gaming, as well as generally big and successful (aka noteworthy) channels have proven time and time again that there's absolutely no reason left to trust them being great or even good people. I don't doubt your friends are cool, but I also didn't see them speak up when others weren't.

I think, given the experience with the platform, it's somewhat reasonable to be wary of gaming Youtubers you don't know, especially if they don't seem to actively speak out against those "bad eggs" on their own platform.


That said, again, I'm not aware of the people you guys are discussing in particular, so I'll give a thumbs-up to your post clearing this up for people who might.
 

Flabber

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In the 90's he would have been called lame and had his wrist slapped.
Then he would be demanded to redeem himself.
He does so and all is well.

Today you're witch hunted and heavily judged.
Hated for life.
In the 90's he'd still have been fired, but he'd have found it easier to get another job since prospective employers wouldn't have been able to find out about his history so easily.
 
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