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Polygon: Tyler "Ninja" Blevins explains why he doesn't stream with women
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Yes. Extremely. Just go to any stream chat. Still does not mean streamers have to stream with people they don't want to stream with. That's absurd. Its not a traditional workplace.
Wow, a deflection "Well, what are you doing" response built to shut down conversation. How original.
Are people actually arguing that though (the bolded)? There are clearly problems and I think anyone actually arguing otherwise has some learning to do. I just haven't seen anyone arguing that here.
And let's talk about "rational" for a minute. Excluding women in this case does make sense, and that explanation is in the article. His reasons for his choice are based on reason and logic. That's the very definition of "rational". So while it's fine for you to disagree with his decision, it is clearly a rational one.
As for the defense of that position, it too is rational for basically the same reason. It's easy for me to think about what may happen if he does stream with women, and realize that it could easily create a much bigger issue (for he/his wife) than if he did not.
Where it intersects with video games, fuck yes, it is.
But I imagine there are some lifestyle and niche streams where it's not as big a deal. Women can (and often do) go out in public and appear with all sorts of people (I found it hard to believe at first too).
Saying he believes that girls have cooties would also be a simple explanation. It would also be just as dumb as the one he gave. Once again, that is a brutally unhealthy attitude to have.
It probably has more to do with him excluding women...
Of course that's absurd, the one singular person pushing that is wrong, but like 90% of this thread is dudes pretending sexism doesn't exist or only using it to call the guy excluding all women from his stream rational and logical... though you're one of the first to actually respond to my direct inquiry by admitting that the culture is sexist so I give you props.
So you argue streamers have to stream with others out of their free will. You're not worth debating if that's your stance, "brah".
Calling him out for keeping his dating life and work life seperate is unfair. Ninja has a very public job with many eyes on him. Better to just avoid potential controversy all together it sucks bit its the reality of the current worls we live in. If ninja even does one thing wrong hell be scrutinized for it. Just look at the reaponses in this thread.
I don't know what the answer is, and my gut feeling is Ninja's solution is probably excessive, but it's a personal call to make and I'm not about write off the very real harassment and effects thereof by thinking of them as just "rumors". It's some real shit, and you can see above from Dodger's tweets the kind of stuff that can happen.
EDIT: And in response to your question of how I find your Mom example irrelevant, it's because obviously this is only the issue that it is because of the sexism and toxicity in the Twitch, and more broadly, gaming community. There aren't thousands of people 'bout to think I'm dating my Mom, but that isn't the situation here.
So do you acknowledge that gaming has a sexist problem, that this guy was himself perpetuating?
Wow, what an incredibly important distinction to make.
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He's not being called out for that. He's being called out for gatekeeping women and prioritizing his own discomfort over supporting people who face infinitely tougher hardships in this context. He's well within his rights to do that, of course. I understand. I still think he's a piece of shit for it, though.
Omg what, Dodger isn't even immune? I was going to bring up how she streams with a ton of people all the time, and I never seen any rumors about stuff like this about people she work with. I follow her on twitch because she plays games I usually plays, does a podcast, does interesting stuff, and plays FFXIV (I don't like to play it, but I like to watch people doing the new content to see if I'd be interested). I also remember the times she would do videos with Husky Starcraft, and the person that cook on youtube now (nerdy nummies or something).
Now I wonder what ever happened to Huskystarcraft.
If you want to be that pedantic sure, but getting up in arms because one literal person is pushing something.... when it's pretty clear that is not the narrative of the general discourse..
I mean we've had someone here already associate that one person with "Era" so that's funny I guess.
Dude, I said that there's a sexist culture so many times and you blatantly ignired that and tried to make me look like I was being sexist for understanding his decision.
Anyone versed in Twitch culture should say yes, but what I don't like is the notion that streamers should be forced to play with people they don't want to play with, which some users are saying since it's a "workplace"
Ok, yes, I participate in marches for Pride, protest Trump, vote, and regularly get involved in local politics to change things. Now can we return to the topic at hand or do I need to actually run for office before I'm allowed to talk about problems in the hobby I love so much?
Calling him out for a very misogynistic reasoning for not streaming with women because of the sexism in the gaming community is absolutely fair.
Brah you act like talking about this on this board means we're out there attacking him and harassing him.
He made it public so now he's being criticized... that's what happens when you make a public statement declaring you won't ever game with women.
Yes, exactly, he's being scrutinized! Of course he is! He deserves it and is the personal author of this scrutiny! Not only because he is clearly being a hypocrite when it comes to this situation, but because of what he claims he wants to be.
He wants to be seen as a positive role model for his young audience, he has outright said it. If he wants to be a role model, then he absolutely must be prepared for the magnifying glass that entails.
You can't just call yourself a role model and then expect people to not put further examination on the type of role you are modeling.
Because it's a false equivalence. Some guy running a stream of him playing games isn't the same as a show hosting celebrities around the world. If an actual TV show doesn't invite women (or POC for that matter) and people pick up on that there will certainly be some backlash. However, on Twitch, there are literally hundreds of channels of people streaming solo and no one bats an eye. The two things are not comparable.
You are right, sexism is always the answer. Don't want to have to deal with those obnoxious instances of your employees sexually assaulting your female employees? The answer is simple, don't hire women. It is so simple, sexism solves everything!
Why are the defenders STILL ignoring that he does.... the.... exact.... same.... thing to other streamers?
Like you say it's his right to not want aimed at him but skirt around the glaring issue that he does this to others?
Why?
Why are you guys making yourself look like asses by silently supporting the fact that he contributes to said toxic culture?
Like you say it's his right to not want aimed at him but skirt around the glaring issue that he does this to others?
Why?
Why are you guys making yourself look like asses by silently supporting the fact that he contributes to said toxic culture?
Right you said there was some nebulous sexism but conveniently nothing here happened to be that. You called everything here dramatic,
I explained to you that one of the core sexist attacks used against women is that they play or stream to get laid....and you denied that was sexism.
This makes no sense.
If Ninja is so afraid of his viewership affecting his marriage if he streams with women, then the viewership itself is toxic as fuck. Its inherently sexist. Gaming is sexist in general.
ITT we have smack dab proof of this happening in real time and how these biases manifest against women doing the same exact shit as Ninja mind you, and everybody is trying to backflip out of the idea that them supporting such an idea makes them pretty damn sexist in general.
If the community is such a problem, you don't blanket ban women with the fucked up backwards idea that you're protecting them, how about you target the exact same community thats causing and perpetuating such bullshit to begin with.....
Oh... they pay his rent, thats why.
Hiding you sexism and or racism behind "Rational Thought" so rational! is such a Alt-Right bullshit dogwhistle thing. Dumb annoying to read. Comes across as anyone opposing you is unsound or emotional because they don't buy your bullshit.
User Banned (1 Month): Misogyny + Delegitimizing equality movements
Well its his call to make and i think its a fair one given the #MeToo era were in.
What if Ninja simply did not find any women fortnite parners that he clicks well with and could win games with and put on a good stream? Ever thought about that? Then again his response says otherwise.
I wouldn't call my post "getting up in arms". It's not like I made a big stink or anything.
Yes. Becasue I don't believe this incident is example of sexism as the same thing has happened with female streamers. Not that sexism doesn't exist in the gaming culture.
Maybe they keep missing all of the posts about this scattered within every twenty or so posts over the thread. I'll bump this to see if we can get past the blindspot.
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This is a joke right?
You seriously didn't just use women coming outt about their experiences of sexual assault to defend excluding women from your stream.
I mean of course you did
but LOL.
User banned (3 days): making excuses for sexism
If he feels that is the best move to juggle business and personal life then I don't see the problem he's not promoting hate or is secretly a racists hateful person (that we know of yet). If that is what he has found best for his business then its fine. If other streamers feel that the opposite works than they will surpass him. I wouldn't want to navigate the minefield that is Twitch streaming. Also people don't idolize anyone it just leads to problems everyone is a human and has faults.
Sonny, the boyfriend of rather popular Twitch streamer Valkyrae weighs in on the topic.
Theres probably a reason why Ninja is taking this stance. I bet nhes has had woman try to date him for his money and fame.
Right it happens with female streamers
Because Gamer bros assume women are into gaming for dudes.
That's still sexism.
Why create scenarios when we have his actual reasoning?
Is this seriously arguing that excluding women is fine if it makes him more money and that if excluding women is actually wrong the free market will prove it?
lol is it streamer culture that is toxic or shippers in general. Just look at the nutty fans going after the real life girlfriends of the Supernatural cast member's wife cus they believe the two male leads are gay, same fans going after the wives/girlfriends/exes of One Direction and Benedict Cumberbatch cus they don't want them to be in a relationship so they can fantasize.
I think it's a little unfair to ask this guy to solve society issues, we are the problem I don't expect of Ninja to have the capacity to educate us, it's unfortunate. I won't make popular people responsable from our shitty behavior. Toxicity exist outside Ninja's bubble and I don't think he's encouraging it, he might not be trying to solve the problem but he probably doesn't know how to do it. Page 14 already showed why what he does is alarmingly understandable.